CNN RapeLay Controversy Sparks Angry Response
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I really can't say I agree with the "facts" about less crime. Less crime is REPORTED in Japan than people care to think.
Oh, the system is beyond corrupt. There is no "innocent until proven guilty." No, you did that shit. You get 20 days in jail to confess then to court. Your life, your meager wages in Japan, your social outlets are GONE. Kaput. They ain't comin' back. And that's the shit you gotta deal with when you're over there.
Even if you're proven "innocent" of a crime, you gotta pay. "You shouldn't have been there" says the court. And out right F___ the appeals. No, that court was right. Going further up just means they believe the original judge more than you. That's why Japanese lawyers have nothing to do. The case is "solved" long before it goes to trial. Guilty until proven innocent. Good luck.
Don't take my word for it. I've only been there 7 years, and remember one classmate doing a crime spree and being sentenced to 10 years in Japanese prison. That ain't no joke. Period.
Oh, the system is beyond corrupt. There is no "innocent until proven guilty." No, you did that shit. You get 20 days in jail to confess then to court. Your life, your meager wages in Japan, your social outlets are GONE. Kaput. They ain't comin' back. And that's the shit you gotta deal with when you're over there.
Even if you're proven "innocent" of a crime, you gotta pay. "You shouldn't have been there" says the court. And out right F___ the appeals. No, that court was right. Going further up just means they believe the original judge more than you. That's why Japanese lawyers have nothing to do. The case is "solved" long before it goes to trial. Guilty until proven innocent. Good luck.
Don't take my word for it. I've only been there 7 years, and remember one classmate doing a crime spree and being sentenced to 10 years in Japanese prison. That ain't no joke. Period.
I wish CNN would spend more of their outrage on our representatives in State and Federal Government who were, over the past five years, actually involved in sexual misconduct with real minors.
I think this kind of game is distasteful, but Nogami is right: Who are we to lecture Japanese culture? Especially when there's such an issue with actual sex crimes in the US. We as a culture get really offended by crimes as depicted in entertainment, but never seem to get similarly outraged when it really happens. We've got a Catholic priest who may have molested 200 boys in Wisconsin, and they're outraged over a game where you can "rape" a collection of polygons.
Talk about your screwed up priorities.
I think this kind of game is distasteful, but Nogami is right: Who are we to lecture Japanese culture? Especially when there's such an issue with actual sex crimes in the US. We as a culture get really offended by crimes as depicted in entertainment, but never seem to get similarly outraged when it really happens. We've got a Catholic priest who may have molested 200 boys in Wisconsin, and they're outraged over a game where you can "rape" a collection of polygons.
Talk about your screwed up priorities.
No offense but I find a little of that far fetched. Without any form of citation to laws and such I can also claim that unless you ride a purple rhino to work you will be arrested and you can't argue it. Also I don't quite understand why you appear upset over the classmate who got 10 years for a "crime spree".Gindil said:
Again, this type of stuff if it is actually true, is not isolated to Japan. I don't mean to pick on the US but since they are the contrast in the article they make the best comparison. I can pull up the beating of Rodney King as an example of US police. Now that's not entirely fair since it was just one incident, but that's essentially what you're doing there to prove your point.
While Gindil's post is a little exaggerated, I can definitely vouch for his claim here that you are "guilty until proven innocent". In fact, the high conviction rate is so bad that recently Japan started trying to use a jury system to lower the numbers. It'll be interesting to see if it works out.Locke_Cole said:
So what does this all have to do with crime statistics? I mean, after all, if the conviction rate is higher, the crime rate should be higher as well, right? Well, not necessarily. Many people are reluctant to report cases simply because they know their testimony could be "judge, jury and executioner" for other person. I personally know a number of women that were molested in a crowded train, but they didn't say anything because they weren't sure exactly who it was, and they didn't want to ruin the wrong person's life.
Now do I believe there's a secret crime wave in Japan? No, of course not. It's still much safer here than many parts in the US. At the same time though, this country isn't the paradise of safety and equality that Nogami's letter would have you believe. At least, I know plenty of other Japanese people that might raise an objection or two over some of the claims he makes.
I'm not joking. [http://www.japanlaw.info/law2004/JAPAN_LAW_2004_PRISON_ABUSE_RIGHT_TO_ATTORNEY.html]Locke_Cole said:
You do NOT want to go to a Japanese prison. And while he did the crime, he most definitely can do the time. I merely put it in there as an example of a harshness to Japanese laws because he was 14 at the time. They didn't deport him off the island to be the problem of the US. No. They detained him in a prison where you sit in silence for quite some time. Roughly 20-23 hours. You get a bowl of rice and a piece of sushi for lunch. And there's little time to socialize with other criminals.
I merely note the differences between that and a military brig. The guys have access to libraries. They have access to a lawyer. But it's something that should be noted. You aren't entitled to ANYTHING when you're a Japanese criminal.
Not really. That's entirely off topic to Japan and my point. Which is more about some of the treatment there than a guy being beaten by police for being high on PCP.
Now, granted my remembrance of everything in the Japanese criminal system is faulty. I don't care where you go [http://www.courts.go.jp/english/proceedings/criminal_justice_index.html] but the lawyers are still overpaid A-holes. Expert witnesses can be asked the same question over and over and not worry about being badgered. Subtle differences in law, namely the "Guilty before Innocent" ideal change the court drastically towards the favor of a prosecutor. And given the closeness I've had with Japanese society, I doubt that they're highly effective, just corrupt as all hell. When I say corrupt, I mean that they don't have to work as hard to prove their case as someone in the US does.
I have to say that letter sounds polite, concise and biting, and that's without considering the context - he had to have been pretty hot under the collar to send this off, so keeping his head in that atmosphere and maintaining an effective written voice is impressive.
I wonder how many drafts he went through.
I wonder how many drafts he went through.
Hang on, something doesn't add up. If the justice system in Japan favours the prosecution, doesn't that mean that rapists have a higher chance of getting prosecuted? Wouldn't that imply that the number of rape cases in the Original Article are over-reported rather than under-reported?Gindil said:
As much as this was an angry response towards CNN, Takeshi Nogami handled it very well. Props to the man for speaking his heart and making some excellent points.
This just in: CNN today have started a competion offering prizes of holidays to Japan. To enter, just contact your local sex offenders register and ask them to forward details to CNN. Here's Bob with the sport...
Having played the game i can say that it's content is way WAY too much for the average person to handle and not get a need to try and force their opinion about how bad or distasteful it is. Personally I have seen stranger things on day time TV (with the exception of the youngest girl being more or less underage). Fact of the matter is that you cant just throw a game like that into your computer and play it, it dose take some work to make it run. Never mind that.szaleniec1000 said:
His argument is valid and they don't have a leg to stand on.
I love the devastating response. Rapelay was known in Eastern Europe at least, I've heard of it before but I wasn't impressed by the prospect. Its true though it seems weird why CNN would cover this now. Not very recent news at all That CNN follow up article isn't that far from the mark though. Japan does pretty much oppress its women, and has a weird way of sexualizing little girls even in otherwise innocent genres. That said, I don't really see the problem with rape games, rape books, rape movies, rape anything, as long as no actual people are harmed during its production. Sure, a game like this is pretty bad taste, but I don't see us banning the Twilight series either.