Coincidence and God

[Woodsey]

Just because a person is incapable of admitting something is a coincidence doesn't affect the chances of a higher power existing in the slightest.

 

[saruman31]

We are not the results of coincidence nor by some magic of a god/s.

 

[Sehnsucht Engel]

I think everything happens for a reason, even if it happens by coincidence.

Holocaust? Child molestation?

When taken simply the above statement of "everything happens for a reason" is fine enough. When thought about logically for, say, a minute it becomes a bit more sinister.

It does, yes, but there is both good and evil in the world.

Evil is subjective. Good, as well. Which is why there are various political parties as well as religious beliefs. Condoms are good to me. They prevent disease and unwanted pregnancy. Condoms are evil to Catholics. They waste a chance at life and promote sex for fun.

It's really subjective. However back to the topic. If you claim that a child is molested for some celestial 'reason' then I must inform you that I'm quite horrified at your theology.

I don't believe that god cares. I believe god created the world, then left it as it was. Humans molest children, not god. Humans are the evil ones, god doesn't have anything to do with it.

If you were christian, I guess you could blame The devil?

"Everything happens for a reason" is more existentialism to me, than theology.

I think everything happens for a reason, but you have to make your own reason.

 

[silver wolf009]

This is blasphmey against the Dicelord!

"On a subatomic scale, all physical matter is controlled by a set of random quantum mechanics!..."

OT: With the complete omision of conincidence, I would have to say that there is more than likely a higher power.

 

[Merkavar]

Didn't post this in the Religion section, because it isn't really to do with a specific religion.

Just something to ponder.

Imagine that you never use coincidence to explain things. Don't you think that highers the possibilty of there being a greater power?

For example, anyone who is in love, is that just 'coincidence' that you met them when and however you did.

Sorry if my point isn't put across very well, I just wanted to field it first.

Silly arguement. removing part of a formulae will ofcourse change the answer.

Coincidence + Higher power = real life. if you remove coincidence then your only left with a higher power.

thats like saying H2 + O = Water. lets imagine that there is no hydrogen then doesnt that increase the possibility that water is oxygen and we can breath it all in.

 

[Daverson]

Deus ex congruo ^^
(That's probably a huge slap in the face to anyone who actually speaks "proper" Latin... but... meh. I learned a useful language instead)

Truth is, there's no such thing as coincidence, only probability. The entire concept of things going "well" for certain groups is entirely human, of course. Luck isn't a tangible concept when it comes down to things, it's something we've invented to explain why probability may appear to favour certain people.

Of course, the universe (probably the closest thing there is to a God, that we know about) doesn't "favour" any one individual, the universe doesn't even care about any individual, as far as the universe is concerned, we're all just ants, some of us get trod on, others don't.

 

[Nimcha]

I think everything happens for a reason, even if it happens by coincidence.

Holocaust? Child molestation?

When taken simply the above statement of "everything happens for a reason" is fine enough. When thought about logically for, say, a minute it becomes a bit more sinister.

Something being sinister doesn't make it any less plausible. It being illogical does, though.

 

[Cliff_m85]

I think everything happens for a reason, even if it happens by coincidence.

Holocaust? Child molestation?

When taken simply the above statement of "everything happens for a reason" is fine enough. When thought about logically for, say, a minute it becomes a bit more sinister.

It does, yes, but there is both good and evil in the world.

Evil is subjective. Good, as well. Which is why there are various political parties as well as religious beliefs. Condoms are good to me. They prevent disease and unwanted pregnancy. Condoms are evil to Catholics. They waste a chance at life and promote sex for fun.

It's really subjective. However back to the topic. If you claim that a child is molested for some celestial 'reason' then I must inform you that I'm quite horrified at your theology.

I don't believe that god cares. I believe god created the world, then left it as it was. Humans molest children, not god. Humans are the evil ones, god doesn't have anything to do with it.

If you were christian, I guess you could blame The devil?

"Everything happens for a reason" is more existentialism to me, than theology.

I think everything happens for a reason, but you have to make your own reason.

What do you call a person who watches a sex act being performed upon a child?
Does 'god' see all?

There is obviously a horrific conclusion to be driven from asking these questions together.

Certainly the person doing harm is 'evil'. But what of the one who just watches it happen and does nothing? If you were shot and were lying bleeding on the street and I walked by, I would stop and help. If I stood there and watched I'd absolutely be evil. As such, the concept of an all-knowing all-seeing deity is quite evil in my eyes.

 

[Sehnsucht Engel]

I think everything happens for a reason, even if it happens by coincidence.

Holocaust? Child molestation?

When taken simply the above statement of "everything happens for a reason" is fine enough. When thought about logically for, say, a minute it becomes a bit more sinister.

It does, yes, but there is both good and evil in the world.

Evil is subjective. Good, as well. Which is why there are various political parties as well as religious beliefs. Condoms are good to me. They prevent disease and unwanted pregnancy. Condoms are evil to Catholics. They waste a chance at life and promote sex for fun.

It's really subjective. However back to the topic. If you claim that a child is molested for some celestial 'reason' then I must inform you that I'm quite horrified at your theology.

I don't believe that god cares. I believe god created the world, then left it as it was. Humans molest children, not god. Humans are the evil ones, god doesn't have anything to do with it.

If you were christian, I guess you could blame The devil?

"Everything happens for a reason" is more existentialism to me, than theology.

I think everything happens for a reason, but you have to make your own reason.

What do you call a person who watches a sex act being performed upon a child?
Does 'god' see all?

There is obviously a horrific conclusion to be driven from asking these questions together.

Certainly the person doing harm is 'evil'. But what of the one who just watches it happen and does nothing? If you were shot and were lying bleeding on the street and I walked by, I would stop and help. If I stood there and watched I'd absolutely be evil. As such, the concept of an all-knowing all-seeing deity is quite evil in my eyes.

That person is a coward or uncaring. Selfish since he watches it being done, but doesn't do anything to help, probably to not get in trouble himself.

So god could be considered uncaring. If god see all, but does nothing.

I don't know if she does though. I don't know anything about god, I just believe in a god.

 

[Cliff_m85]

I think everything happens for a reason, even if it happens by coincidence.

Holocaust? Child molestation?

When taken simply the above statement of "everything happens for a reason" is fine enough. When thought about logically for, say, a minute it becomes a bit more sinister.

It does, yes, but there is both good and evil in the world.

Evil is subjective. Good, as well. Which is why there are various political parties as well as religious beliefs. Condoms are good to me. They prevent disease and unwanted pregnancy. Condoms are evil to Catholics. They waste a chance at life and promote sex for fun.

It's really subjective. However back to the topic. If you claim that a child is molested for some celestial 'reason' then I must inform you that I'm quite horrified at your theology.

I don't believe that god cares. I believe god created the world, then left it as it was. Humans molest children, not god. Humans are the evil ones, god doesn't have anything to do with it.

If you were christian, I guess you could blame The devil?

"Everything happens for a reason" is more existentialism to me, than theology.

I think everything happens for a reason, but you have to make your own reason.

What do you call a person who watches a sex act being performed upon a child?
Does 'god' see all?

There is obviously a horrific conclusion to be driven from asking these questions together.

Certainly the person doing harm is 'evil'. But what of the one who just watches it happen and does nothing? If you were shot and were lying bleeding on the street and I walked by, I would stop and help. If I stood there and watched I'd absolutely be evil. As such, the concept of an all-knowing all-seeing deity is quite evil in my eyes.

That person is a coward or uncaring. Selfish since he watches it being done, but doesn't do anything to help, probably to not get in trouble himself.

So god could be considered uncaring. If god see all, but does nothing.

I don't know if she does though. I don't know anything about god, I just believe in a god.

I'm quite a feminist so I tend to be shocked when anyone asserts that the Jewish/Christian/Muslim 'god' is a female.

To me it's silly to believe in something that you don't know anything about, or to assert information when you don't know. Like the statement of 'her' creating everything and then stepping back ala Deism.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

Ok, then can someone explain why the few years I actually believed in God and went to church were the few years I was suicidal if there are no coincidences? Yeah, the people that try to convert me can't explain it either....

 

[Sehnsucht Engel]

I think everything happens for a reason, even if it happens by coincidence.

Holocaust? Child molestation?

When taken simply the above statement of "everything happens for a reason" is fine enough. When thought about logically for, say, a minute it becomes a bit more sinister.

It does, yes, but there is both good and evil in the world.

Evil is subjective. Good, as well. Which is why there are various political parties as well as religious beliefs. Condoms are good to me. They prevent disease and unwanted pregnancy. Condoms are evil to Catholics. They waste a chance at life and promote sex for fun.

It's really subjective. However back to the topic. If you claim that a child is molested for some celestial 'reason' then I must inform you that I'm quite horrified at your theology.

I don't believe that god cares. I believe god created the world, then left it as it was. Humans molest children, not god. Humans are the evil ones, god doesn't have anything to do with it.

If you were christian, I guess you could blame The devil?

"Everything happens for a reason" is more existentialism to me, than theology.

I think everything happens for a reason, but you have to make your own reason.

What do you call a person who watches a sex act being performed upon a child?
Does 'god' see all?

There is obviously a horrific conclusion to be driven from asking these questions together.

Certainly the person doing harm is 'evil'. But what of the one who just watches it happen and does nothing? If you were shot and were lying bleeding on the street and I walked by, I would stop and help. If I stood there and watched I'd absolutely be evil. As such, the concept of an all-knowing all-seeing deity is quite evil in my eyes.

That person is a coward or uncaring. Selfish since he watches it being done, but doesn't do anything to help, probably to not get in trouble himself.

So god could be considered uncaring. If god see all, but does nothing.

I don't know if she does though. I don't know anything about god, I just believe in a god.

I'm quite a feminist so I tend to be shocked when anyone asserts that the Jewish/Christian/Muslim 'god' is a female.

To me it's silly to believe in something that you don't know anything about, or to assert information when you don't know. Like the statement of 'her' creating everything and then stepping back ala Deism.

I'm a theist. My mental image of god is female.

 

[Sehnsucht Engel]

I think everything happens for a reason, even if it happens by coincidence.

Holocaust? Child molestation?

When taken simply the above statement of "everything happens for a reason" is fine enough. When thought about logically for, say, a minute it becomes a bit more sinister.

It does, yes, but there is both good and evil in the world.

Evil is subjective. Good, as well. Which is why there are various political parties as well as religious beliefs. Condoms are good to me. They prevent disease and unwanted pregnancy. Condoms are evil to Catholics. They waste a chance at life and promote sex for fun.

It's really subjective. However back to the topic. If you claim that a child is molested for some celestial 'reason' then I must inform you that I'm quite horrified at your theology.

I don't believe that god cares. I believe god created the world, then left it as it was. Humans molest children, not god. Humans are the evil ones, god doesn't have anything to do with it.

If you were christian, I guess you could blame The devil?

"Everything happens for a reason" is more existentialism to me, than theology.

I think everything happens for a reason, but you have to make your own reason.

What do you call a person who watches a sex act being performed upon a child?
Does 'god' see all?

There is obviously a horrific conclusion to be driven from asking these questions together.

Certainly the person doing harm is 'evil'. But what of the one who just watches it happen and does nothing? If you were shot and were lying bleeding on the street and I walked by, I would stop and help. If I stood there and watched I'd absolutely be evil. As such, the concept of an all-knowing all-seeing deity is quite evil in my eyes.

That person is a coward or uncaring. Selfish since he watches it being done, but doesn't do anything to help, probably to not get in trouble himself.

So god could be considered uncaring. If god see all, but does nothing.

I don't know if she does though. I don't know anything about god, I just believe in a god.

I'm quite a feminist so I tend to be shocked when anyone asserts that the Jewish/Christian/Muslim 'god' is a female.

To me it's silly to believe in something that you don't know anything about, or to assert information when you don't know. Like the statement of 'her' creating everything and then stepping back ala Deism.

I'm a theist. My mental image of god is female.

 

[Giest4life]

Not quiet sure what you mean.

However, there is nothing in this world that whispers to me rumors of a man in the sky, god.

Things happen--chance or causality depend on a matter of perspective.

 

[Cliff_m85]

I think everything happens for a reason, even if it happens by coincidence.

Holocaust? Child molestation?

When taken simply the above statement of "everything happens for a reason" is fine enough. When thought about logically for, say, a minute it becomes a bit more sinister.

It does, yes, but there is both good and evil in the world.

Evil is subjective. Good, as well. Which is why there are various political parties as well as religious beliefs. Condoms are good to me. They prevent disease and unwanted pregnancy. Condoms are evil to Catholics. They waste a chance at life and promote sex for fun.

It's really subjective. However back to the topic. If you claim that a child is molested for some celestial 'reason' then I must inform you that I'm quite horrified at your theology.

I don't believe that god cares. I believe god created the world, then left it as it was. Humans molest children, not god. Humans are the evil ones, god doesn't have anything to do with it.

If you were christian, I guess you could blame The devil?

"Everything happens for a reason" is more existentialism to me, than theology.

I think everything happens for a reason, but you have to make your own reason.

What do you call a person who watches a sex act being performed upon a child?
Does 'god' see all?

There is obviously a horrific conclusion to be driven from asking these questions together.

Certainly the person doing harm is 'evil'. But what of the one who just watches it happen and does nothing? If you were shot and were lying bleeding on the street and I walked by, I would stop and help. If I stood there and watched I'd absolutely be evil. As such, the concept of an all-knowing all-seeing deity is quite evil in my eyes.

That person is a coward or uncaring. Selfish since he watches it being done, but doesn't do anything to help, probably to not get in trouble himself.

So god could be considered uncaring. If god see all, but does nothing.

I don't know if she does though. I don't know anything about god, I just believe in a god.

I'm quite a feminist so I tend to be shocked when anyone asserts that the Jewish/Christian/Muslim 'god' is a female.

To me it's silly to believe in something that you don't know anything about, or to assert information when you don't know. Like the statement of 'her' creating everything and then stepping back ala Deism.

I'm a theist. My mental image of god is female.

Which is fine as long as it isn't the god from the Bible or Quran. I have no clue why a woman would want to take claim to such a god. A god that is rampantly sexist, a god that punishes the 'original sin' of man with "work" and of women with "pain, misery, and bleeding monthly". A god that actively seeks out men to do all the important work and treats women, even the mother of a messiah, as nothing more than a vagina. It confuses me. But different strokes.

 

[Vryyk]

As a devout masculinist I reject the idea of a female God with incredible furor. See how silly that sounds? Who cares what gender God is? God may be a genderless squirrel for all I care. Actually that would be awesome...

At OP: I'm not sure what point exactly you are trying to make, but if we go by the Christian bible then I posit that the "free will" (and presumed areas open to our own control) laid down in Genesis allows for coincidences to be non-deific in cause.

 

[Chrinik]

I think everything happens for a reason, even if it happens by coincidence.

Holocaust? Child molestation?

When taken simply the above statement of "everything happens for a reason" is fine enough. When thought about logically for, say, a minute it becomes a bit more sinister.

The holocaust happened for a pretty viable reason...hell every massacre had a pretty damn good reason...we just didn´t get it, because we cannot judge from the murderers point of view. Child molestation ultimately also has reasons, but I´m not a psychologist.

Everything has a cause, if you define this cause with a god, as coincedence or whatever, is up to you.

But, I myself have ruled out the existance of a god...this is MY personal opinion and does in no way prove or disprove the existance of a god, for me, there are none, period.
Also, the bible is full of rubbish. Everyone believing every word of it should have their testicles removed so they cannot procreate...you CAN believe in god, without believing the bible...it is actually far EASIER to believe in god, without knowledge of the bible.
I was pretty certain there was a god until I read it (at age 10-11)...after I finished the whole thing, I knew there couldn´t be a god, when the holy scripture upon which the religion is based on is THIS FLAWED LIKE ASS.

 

[ComicsAreWeird]

I believe it´s not a coincidence and it´s not a higher power. It´s Chaos Theory...the butterfly effect. Every action has a consequence and influence in the way things play out. We can only control a portion of our lives, because too much can be changed by an external source(s).

 

[kikon9]

Everything that has ever happened and everything that ever will, is due to a coincidence sometime before it.

 

[Marik2]

Didn't post this in the Religion section, because it isn't really to do with a specific religion.

That section is for more than just talking bout a specific religion.

Anything that's related to a deity or concept of it, needs to be put in that section.

I dont like it when threads like these pop up in off topic and get covered by a lot of people with arrogant views. (Im talking bout theists and atheists)