There really is no choice to be made. The kid is born with a penis or a vagina it's a boy or a girl. This is seriously stupid. herpers gonna derp
Confusing the Child's Gender?
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Wait.... Jazz and Storm? *facepalm* And you're worried about your kids having gender problems, pfff.
There's always gender re-assignment later on, should the kid choose against their sex, but..... seriously, what the hell?
And how long could this really go for? I mean, think future tense: I'm picturing the kid in kindergarten. They're playing games and the teacher wants to divide boys and girls, or maybe wants to pair them up boy-girl or something - whatever. This poor kid is going to be standing there... "I don't know." The kid will be confused, the teacher will be confused, the other students will be like, "He/she is a boy/girl!!" (obviously depending on which is physically apparent)... but it's going to be a bad situation. I hope the kid realizes this whole thing early on and makes their decision, because this is fucking nonsense.
There's always gender re-assignment later on, should the kid choose against their sex, but..... seriously, what the hell?
And how long could this really go for? I mean, think future tense: I'm picturing the kid in kindergarten. They're playing games and the teacher wants to divide boys and girls, or maybe wants to pair them up boy-girl or something - whatever. This poor kid is going to be standing there... "I don't know." The kid will be confused, the teacher will be confused, the other students will be like, "He/she is a boy/girl!!" (obviously depending on which is physically apparent)... but it's going to be a bad situation. I hope the kid realizes this whole thing early on and makes their decision, because this is fucking nonsense.
People like this think they can transcend nature. They will fail and their kids will suffer for it.
Ah, that kid is going to have some problems. I mean think about that first conversation:
"Mommy, am I a boy or a girl?"
"You see sweetie, society has imposed restricting rules of the definition of gender roles based on anatomy that I disagree with, which is why I believe you have a choice to act as an impartial being not bound by the identity of your physical body."
"..."
The kids not going to get this. Think about when you were growing up as a child, and how you first began to identify yourself, and I'd be more than sure it began with, do I look like mommy or daddy? Boy or girl? Sure it might be easy to an adult to figure "they'll just choose a gender", but to a child, think about how confusing it would be, especially when all the children around them have had that sense of self instilled of them since birth.
Humans are animals that like to conform, and often times, thats for the best. There are some things women and men physically cannot imitate in each other, but how about instead of being indignant of afraid of those things, just embrace them instead of fighting, unless you think you're brining something to the table millions of years of evolution left out.
Also, if in your brain your only options are "Conformed Gender Role" and "Genderless" there might be a smidge of middle ground you're overlooking there.
Sidenote: Also, Jazz? Storm? Kio? Could you imagine putting that on a job application?
"Mommy, am I a boy or a girl?"
"You see sweetie, society has imposed restricting rules of the definition of gender roles based on anatomy that I disagree with, which is why I believe you have a choice to act as an impartial being not bound by the identity of your physical body."
"..."
The kids not going to get this. Think about when you were growing up as a child, and how you first began to identify yourself, and I'd be more than sure it began with, do I look like mommy or daddy? Boy or girl? Sure it might be easy to an adult to figure "they'll just choose a gender", but to a child, think about how confusing it would be, especially when all the children around them have had that sense of self instilled of them since birth.
Humans are animals that like to conform, and often times, thats for the best. There are some things women and men physically cannot imitate in each other, but how about instead of being indignant of afraid of those things, just embrace them instead of fighting, unless you think you're brining something to the table millions of years of evolution left out.
Also, if in your brain your only options are "Conformed Gender Role" and "Genderless" there might be a smidge of middle ground you're overlooking there.
Sidenote: Also, Jazz? Storm? Kio? Could you imagine putting that on a job application?
Ah, that kid is going to have some problems. I mean think about that first conversation:
"Mommy, am I a boy or a girl?"
"You see sweetie, society has imposed restricting rules of the definition of gender roles based on anatomy that I disagree with, which is why I believe you have a choice to act as an impartial being not bound by the identity of your physical body."
"..."
The kids not going to get this. Think about when you were growing up as a child, and how you first began to identify yourself, and I'd be more than sure it began with, do I look like mommy or daddy? Boy or girl? Sure it might be easy to an adult to figure "they'll just choose a gender", but to a child, think about how confusing it would be, especially when all the children around them have had that sense of self instilled of them since birth.
Humans are animals that like to conform, and often times, thats for the best. There are some things women and men physically cannot imitate in each other, but how about instead of being indignant of afraid of those things, just embrace them instead of fighting, unless you think you're brining something to the table millions of years of evolution left out.
Also, if in your brain your only options are "Conformed Gender Role" and "Genderless" there might be a smidge of middle ground you're overlooking there.
Sidenote: Also, Jazz? Storm? Kio? Could you imagine putting that on a job application?
"Mommy, am I a boy or a girl?"
"You see sweetie, society has imposed restricting rules of the definition of gender roles based on anatomy that I disagree with, which is why I believe you have a choice to act as an impartial being not bound by the identity of your physical body."
"..."
The kids not going to get this. Think about when you were growing up as a child, and how you first began to identify yourself, and I'd be more than sure it began with, do I look like mommy or daddy? Boy or girl? Sure it might be easy to an adult to figure "they'll just choose a gender", but to a child, think about how confusing it would be, especially when all the children around them have had that sense of self instilled of them since birth.
Humans are animals that like to conform, and often times, thats for the best. There are some things women and men physically cannot imitate in each other, but how about instead of being indignant of afraid of those things, just embrace them instead of fighting, unless you think you're brining something to the table millions of years of evolution left out.
Also, if in your brain your only options are "Conformed Gender Role" and "Genderless" there might be a smidge of middle ground you're overlooking there.
Sidenote: Also, Jazz? Storm? Kio? Could you imagine putting that on a job application?
Ah, that kid is going to have some problems. I mean think about that first conversation:
"Mommy, am I a boy or a girl?"
"You see sweetie, society has imposed restricting rules of the definition of gender roles based on anatomy that I disagree with, which is why I believe you have a choice to act as an impartial being not bound by the identity of your physical body."
"..."
The kids not going to get this. Think about when you were growing up as a child, and how you first began to identify yourself, and I'd be more than sure it began with, do I look like mommy or daddy? Boy or girl? Sure it might be easy to an adult to figure "they'll just choose a gender", but to a child, think about how confusing it would be, especially when all the children around them have had that sense of self instilled of them since birth.
Humans are animals that like to conform, and often times, thats for the best. There are some things women and men physically cannot imitate in each other, but how about instead of being indignant of afraid of those things, just embrace them instead of fighting, unless you think you're brining something to the table millions of years of evolution left out.
Also, if in your brain your only options are "Conformed Gender Role" and "Genderless" there might be a smidge of middle ground you're overlooking there.
Sidenote: Also, Jazz? Storm? Kio? Could you imagine putting that on a job application?
"Mommy, am I a boy or a girl?"
"You see sweetie, society has imposed restricting rules of the definition of gender roles based on anatomy that I disagree with, which is why I believe you have a choice to act as an impartial being not bound by the identity of your physical body."
"..."
The kids not going to get this. Think about when you were growing up as a child, and how you first began to identify yourself, and I'd be more than sure it began with, do I look like mommy or daddy? Boy or girl? Sure it might be easy to an adult to figure "they'll just choose a gender", but to a child, think about how confusing it would be, especially when all the children around them have had that sense of self instilled of them since birth.
Humans are animals that like to conform, and often times, thats for the best. There are some things women and men physically cannot imitate in each other, but how about instead of being indignant of afraid of those things, just embrace them instead of fighting, unless you think you're brining something to the table millions of years of evolution left out.
Also, if in your brain your only options are "Conformed Gender Role" and "Genderless" there might be a smidge of middle ground you're overlooking there.
Sidenote: Also, Jazz? Storm? Kio? Could you imagine putting that on a job application?
I'm not quite sure where to stand on this. I have feeling that raising a child in such a way could greatly confuse them later in life, but if you read the article, the parents read a book about a child, X, that was raised in very similar way and turned out to be fine and well-adjusted as an adult, so it's not like this is completely bound to result in depressed, confused children.
There's a chance of what they're doing causing problems, but I'm glad there are some people out there willing to try new ideas, because it's daringness like this that creates change and openness to new ideas. It can also create some huge issues, but that's the risk of it I guess.
There's a chance of what they're doing causing problems, but I'm glad there are some people out there willing to try new ideas, because it's daringness like this that creates change and openness to new ideas. It can also create some huge issues, but that's the risk of it I guess.
That's fine and everything, until you associate those gender labels with specific types of clothing, behavior, jobs, lifestyles, attitudes, ect. For example, according to the norm, boys must act like what society deems boys should act like, and the same goes for girls. Why? We're tying people's biological gender and many aspects of their identity together. Thus, people out there that feel doing so is wrong, reject those labels because of the things they imply.TestECull said:
For example, according to society, especially back then, a "women" was someone who wore "women's" clothing and behaved like one, got married, gave birth to some children, and stayed at home to raise them. Not everybody who has a vagina feels they are that person, and thus it's understandable to see some of those people's desire to change the definition of that word, or disregard it all together. In my view, it's pretty much the same as calling your children 'christian' or 'jewish' or 'atheist' before they can make that decision for themselves.
Yeah. Okay. What a nice sentiment. Fueled by good intentions. Although, if widely practiced it would simply make children miserable. Because the thing is, a majority of children identify comfortably with their physical gender. It's only a minority of kids that end up feeling uncomfortable with their gender roles. Because as much as we like to say "durr what is male what is female what does it mean" it means something. We shouldn't keep running around in denial of evolution ladies and gentlemen. Men evolved to hunt, women evolved to gather. There are exceptions, but in general men and women tend to function comfortably as they are.
Why deprive a boy from wrestling and playing in the mud if that's 1) what male children have a history of doing and 2) what he wants to do? Why stop a female child from playing with a doll for the same reasons?
This open-mindedness is sweet and all, but ultimately harmful for those majority of children that are just fine with having a penis and punching things, or having a vagina and, I don't know, not punching things as often as the boys.
Why deprive a boy from wrestling and playing in the mud if that's 1) what male children have a history of doing and 2) what he wants to do? Why stop a female child from playing with a doll for the same reasons?
This open-mindedness is sweet and all, but ultimately harmful for those majority of children that are just fine with having a penis and punching things, or having a vagina and, I don't know, not punching things as often as the boys.
First of all: CRAZY HIPPIES GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN! *Shotgun*
Second of all: You completely fail to understand the significance of gender to such a ridiculous degree that you should not be allowed to make any statement on gender ever again. (okay maybe that's a bit harsh).
Gender is a socially constructed concept meaning that unless you change everyone's view on the thing then all you are doing is creating social friction. Yeah for you for trying to change a system you see as unjust but you have to realize that unless you change the minds of every person in the entire world (or at least a big enough section to create your own culture) then so long as you against the established system you and your children will suffer the pains of being socially outcasted. For the parents, fine they made there choice good fir them. For the children who are too young to understand the significance of this and will undoubtedly be acculturated by their parents into following the social break the parents are dooming them for there own selfish goals. From the sound of it she doesn't understand the mechanisms that create social structures and change and needs to take some sociology and anthropology classes to better understand the best way to actually affect a social change. Ahhh, this all stinks of a well meaning but foolish crusade to fight the social ills that always wind up fighting windmills.
Second of all: You completely fail to understand the significance of gender to such a ridiculous degree that you should not be allowed to make any statement on gender ever again. (okay maybe that's a bit harsh).
Gender is a socially constructed concept meaning that unless you change everyone's view on the thing then all you are doing is creating social friction. Yeah for you for trying to change a system you see as unjust but you have to realize that unless you change the minds of every person in the entire world (or at least a big enough section to create your own culture) then so long as you against the established system you and your children will suffer the pains of being socially outcasted. For the parents, fine they made there choice good fir them. For the children who are too young to understand the significance of this and will undoubtedly be acculturated by their parents into following the social break the parents are dooming them for there own selfish goals. From the sound of it she doesn't understand the mechanisms that create social structures and change and needs to take some sociology and anthropology classes to better understand the best way to actually affect a social change. Ahhh, this all stinks of a well meaning but foolish crusade to fight the social ills that always wind up fighting windmills.
But it's not just socially constructed. It was ingrained in each physical gender through necessity. here are some examples.Twilight_guy said:
Men are "expected" to like sports. Sports are competitive. Why are men generally expected to like sports? because they are competitive. Why are men generally competitive? Because for thousands of years men had to compete for food with other dangerous predators and other men.
Women are "expected" to like makeup. Makeup makes women look more attractive (apparently, I don't get it myself). Why are women expected to look more attractive? So that the most competitive male would choose her and mate with her and produce glorious competitive and beautiful offspring.
This is science. Not social stigma.
Oh god, that article made my brain hurt. You know what, more power to the hippy parents who want to give their kids weird names and fight the power; good for them. On the other hand they shouldn't be turning their child into some demented experiment to meet their own ends of bat-shit insanity.
I feel sorry for everyone involved in that mess. When the kids are older they'll hate their parents for saddling them with all kinds of mental and emotional problems as a result of this, and I feel really sorry for the parents who will eventually grow out of their mentality and regret using their children to meet their own selfish ends.
I feel sorry for everyone involved in that mess. When the kids are older they'll hate their parents for saddling them with all kinds of mental and emotional problems as a result of this, and I feel really sorry for the parents who will eventually grow out of their mentality and regret using their children to meet their own selfish ends.
Your explanation doesn't hold water. Although biology factors into characteristics of the sexes they play a rather minimal role. Yeah having testosterone might make men more competitive but that's one factor that falls into a soup of other social and mental factors that make up a personality and can easily wash away or exaggerate any biological characteristic. On top of that quiet a few "biological" things are actually just deeply engrained social pressures. It's hard to say where the base factor of biology begins and ends in some places. On top of that, the fact that humans are intelligent beasts and can suppress their base instincts, take note that people wear pants due to suppressing a base instinct, saying that one gender has a tendency for one thing or another doesn't doesn't matter much because social pressure and other factors can influence people to suppress those tendencies. sex is biological, you have a penis or a vagina and this means a a slightly altered body shape and chemistry. Gender is what society tells you to be like based on these sexes. For all of recorded history a gender divide has existed and thus some basic human factor keeps this up. It's hard for anyone, especially one crusading set of parents, to undo that.mythicdawn12 said:
now that you mention it that's not a bad idea. Under the right circumstances it could help ALOT with the conditions in which the child is raised in.Anti Nudist Cupcake said: