Consiparcy Theories

[cleverlymadeup]

Anyway, I find fundamentalist science to be the most unintentionally hilarious.
Like Intelligent Design Theory (If I remember correctly), the one that says "Things like eyes are too complex to have evolved" that can't be backed up because they are untestable. It's one of the rules of science- the theory must be testable.
I think my favorite, though, is the 'bucket theory.' Basically, evolution must be a lie because if I seal an empty bucket so that nothing can get into it, it won't create life.

pbs nova has a GREAT episode on the intellegent design vs evolution trial, especially the part where they pile books in front of dr leheay contratdicting his ideas and i mean piles of them

De-evolution is a pretty wild theory, in which it says organisms that inhabit the earth used to be more advanced, and have evolved down to what we see today.

actually there is another one that basically states cause stupid ppl have more kids than smart ones, we as a species are going backwards in our evolution. in that respect de-evolution is possible

The theory that the Masons run the US because "X" presidents (some founding fathers are included here invariably) are/were masons.

there is some truth to that but it's just because there is a LOT of freemasons who are/were president, vice president, senators, congressmen, governors and so forth. funnily enough 2 of the presidents who weren't masons were also assisnated, both kennedy (cause he was catholic and the papal bull against the masons) and lincoln (he wanted to be one BUT he did not apply cause he had got into fights with a few masons and didn't think they'd let him join, he actually was a kinda expert on them without being a member). also leading to the claim is the presence of 2 masons during the swearing in of some of the presidents (thankfully bad weather prevented bush jr from touching it), they are actually the keepers of the bible and travel everywhere it goes, the bible in question is the volume of the sacred law of the lodge of St John's No 1 AYM, F&AM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Inaugural_Bible

this is along the same lines as saying the jews control hollywood, well they did at one point, it's because most of the studio heads were jewish, it wasn't a conspiracy just who founded the studios. tho if it weren't for them and their different views on this and willingness to take risks we wouldn't have the movie industry we do today

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

check that out. the first part is some stuff which attempts to disprove all mainstream religions at once (mainly Christianity though). part 2 is by far the best compilation of 9/11 conspiracies I have EVER seen. and then part 3 raps it up with billion dollar banker dudes who rule the world (Bilderberg much?).

yeah i stopped watching after the first part, there's even errors in that one as well, the magic number for the for profits is actually 40 years, i'd say messiah but that only means annoited one, learning hebrew then reading the bible is pretty funny



the 911 truthers REALLY annoy the crap out of me cause they look at one or two small points and have no clue about other things, such as the other buildings that happened to collapse that day or shortly after. i knew a few ppl who died in those buildings, some truther tried to say one thing, when i corrected him and gave him the name of the person he was like "oh that's totally wrong" and i offered more proof that showed him to be wrong and he refused to accept it

the face of mars ppl make me laugh, they all tend to use the old grainy 70's photos and refuse to use the newer ones. the fake moon landing ppl are funny too, penn and teller have a few shows of bullsh*t dedicated to various conspiracies

the only "conspiracy" i kinda hold to be plausible is the kurdt cobain murder one. basically it claims that courtney killed him or had him killed. now i wouldn't normally believe this BUT the person putting the theory forward is an ex-cop and investigator, so he has some credibility.

main sticking points are that he was WAY too high to pull the trigger, which you could debunk by saying he was a heroin junkie and used to it but he was in rehab and semi-clean so his tolerance had been lowered. his suicide note has 2 different hand writing styles and is mostly a good bye to the fans until you read that last part. there is a lot more to it as well

 

[werepossum]

A lot of the conspiracy theories prosper because of government incompetence or intentional misinformation. The crash in Roswell circa '47 - it's ludicrous to believe that the only nuclear-capable air base in the world didn't recognize a weather baloon, or Scotch tape, or balsa wood (WTF?), or aluminum foil. But after so many silly government explanations and so many wild accusations and conspiracy theories from, well, conspiracy theorists, it's pretty much impossible to even hazard an educated guess about what really happened. Same thing with both Kennedy assassinations; too much bungling to leave any usable and reliable evidence.

Occam's Razor - always suspect government incompetence and you'll seldom be disappointed. Or you could just bypass all the levy maintenance funds spent on Mardi Gras statues and fountains and overpasses to casinoes, all the buses left to be flooded, Governor Blanco refusing to let federal and Red Cross aid in because "it would attract more people to the Super Dome", etc. and just jump straight to "Cheney is the devil and Bush eats babies." Why actually use more brain cells than it takes to get drunk and shape a new tin-foil hat? Conspiracy theories - they're BETTER than thinking!

 

[Tango]

Has anyone read this: indianlakeproject.blogspot.com/

This is freaking cool. A friend reccommended it to me a few months ago and I found it really interesting. If its not real then this guy should write a book or something...

 

[J-Val]

Most of these so-called "conspiracy theories" seem to be completely founded on a single unknown detail.
"Hey! Do you know that before he got shot, no one saw JFK get into the car?! Sounds suspicious to me. The government must have killed him..."
Firstly, Loose Change is a load of crap, from a whiney, attention-seeking anti-government teenager. (Don't call me a Republican, I'm a Socialist for Christ sakes.."
All of the 'evidence' displayed in it is purely circumstantial. The American government may have exploited the 11th of September, but they would never want to cause it. What country would blow up one of their most iconic financial establishments, partially destroy their national security headquarters, and all together cripple tourism? Furthermore, if it was all a government conspiracy, why did the other attacks not succeed?

My favourite conspiracy theory, however, has to be that the moon landing was faked. Purely because there are still partially unexplained discrepancies, but also because there was a motive in place: Beat the USSR. No matter what.

 

[Ciarog]

I think verichip website? its freaky..

Sticking tracking chips in your kids and pets? Freaky, but completely voluntary...

...then again, so was doping them up on Ritalan ten years ago. Now you'll get arrested for refusing to do it in some states.

 

[Ciarog]

Area 51 is actually real, but there aren't any aliens or alien craft

Actually, no it ain't.

I beleive the closest thing your gonna find to a "name" for the facility in question is Air Force Flight Test Center (Detachment 3), Edwards Air Force Base, or AFFTC-DET-3-KEDW for short.

 

[Mr Wednesday]

I think it's an interesting idea to think that Sir Isaac Newton and Da Vinci were convicts sent from the future to live out their sentence in the past. (Nobody can reach them, nobody understands them) But this is mainly due to their incredible intelligence, massive numbers of ideas, incredible skills in virtually every major aspect of society

Oh do come bloody off it. Newton was a deeply odd introvert who cared little for the company of others, let alone publishing major mathematical/scientific papers. It was Halley, he of the commet, who had to badger the man into writing something other people could see, and even then it was so obtuse and deliberately unreadable that no one would publish it.

Halley had to fund Pricipia himself.

Newton was a genius, but odd, like a great many of the great scientists of history. This isn't to put them down, but "in every major element of society?"

Hardly.

Also, you can't "de-evolve". Evolution is not a march from base to perfect. If a species becomes less fit, say for example like humanity can, its still evolution.

 

[Mr Wednesday]

The reason I dislke the idea is this:

It removes human progress from progressive people.
Einstein's theory of general relativity was a massive breakthrough, he was a great man. If he's just some "time traveller", it strips him of the creative and itellectual genius that characterized the man.

Also, if you look at most great scientists, they die pretty damn poor. Very few do well out of what they've done. Oppenhiemer was left with the legacy of immesnse, world-shattering guilt, following his development of the atomic bomb.Einstein died in poverty. Hawkings is paraylsed. If I was from the future, I would not let myself get screwed over like that.

 

[Ciarog]

Anyway, my idea on the sasquatch still stands, he was clearly a hermit with a rare hairy skin condition!

One who found his way into Salishan and Lakota mythology?

 

[cleverlymadeup]

Oh do come bloody off it. Newton was a deeply odd introvert who cared little for the company of others, let alone publishing major mathematical/scientific papers. It was Halley, he of the commet, who had to badger the man into writing something other people could see, and even then it was so obtuse and deliberately unreadable that no one would publish it.

Halley had to fund Pricipia himself.

Newton was a genius, but odd, like a great many of the great scientists of history. This isn't to put them down, but "in every major element of society?"

actually the freemasons and their creation of the royal society, with a bit of help from charlie, moray and wren helped fund newton, he was their president at one point. there's a good book i just finished reading by a british chap by the name of robert lomas called "freemasonry and the birth of modern science" or "the invisible college" depending on the version you find, same book tho just different titles.

newton was an interesting chap, he also had this thing for being deeply religious, which is what stopped his publication of most of his works but he was also an alchemist and studied alchemy in secret for years.

with most conspiracy theories they are based on falsehoods, the moon landing ones are fun. the biggest sticking point is the lack of stars, funny part is they base it on a known lie. let me explain.

the stars in space thing comes from a russian cosmonaut who was the first in space. they "asked"(scripted of course) him the question "how did the stars look in space?" "his response" (scripted of course) was "they were very bright and beautiful.

now every single astronaut since the russian dude (yeah i'm back to butchering the mother tongue ) has reported that they don't see stars. now if you want to try this wonderful trick at home, here's how

1. wait till night time (this might be obvious to some but not others)
2. go to a place with lots of outside lights (outdoor hockey arena, baseball stadium, football stadium, soccer pitch, car dealership, outdoor tennis court)
3. wait till they turn on all the lights
4. look up
5. be amazed how many stars aren't there

or go outside with a camera, set it to a shorter exposure time, aim camera at the sky (figure this would be obvious but not to everyone surprisingly), snap picture, look at lack of stars in picture

 

[Mr Wednesday]

Trust me, Halley had a massive role in that book coming out.

The text of the first of the three books was presented to the Royal Society at the close of April, 1686. Hooke's priority claims caused some delay in acceptance, but Samuel Pepys, as President, was authorised on 30 June to license it for publication. Unfortunately the Society had just spent their book budget on a history of fish, so the initial cost of publication was borne by Edmund Halley. The third book was finally completed a year later in April, 1687, and published that summer.

 

[heybrahsupbrah]

My favorite consipiracy theory is "Paul McCartney is dead" conspiracy theory...It makes so much sense that all of these things in actual Beatles songs that indicate this.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7lkA1GOQ_vU

 

[Tango]

http://indianlakeproject.blogspot.com/

Has anyone read that. My friend got me reading this a few months ago. Its really interesting.

 

[GrowlersAtSea]

The Paul McCartney conspiracy is awesome. One day I want to be important enough to have people have conspiracy theories about me being dead...

As for the Indian Lake Project, I've actually read a bit of that. Some parts are interesting, but I don't know how to read others. At one point, the author takes a picture of a dead bird outside his home and says:

"I woke up this morning and opened my front door to get the Sunday newspaper and this was sitting next to it. This is either one of two things ? either a bird happened to die outside of my front door, or someone put it there as a form of intimidation. I don't think it takes a genius to figure out which of the two it is."

Of course it doesn't. At first I smiled at this, but then realized that he wouldn't have bothered posting an image of a random dead animal near his home unless he thought it was related. Apparently I've been under government intimidation for years with all the dead animals I'm unfortunate to find outside near my home. But this kind of thing gives surprising insight into the person behind the blog, I think (he was also apparently followed for months by a mysterious white van, which he took one blurry picture of with his camera phone).

I do find some of the things intriguing, but the level of paranoia is pretty noticeable with strange ties that realistically go nowhere. Like posting information about the Navy Barracks in San Diego that looks like a Swastika (that made the rounds on the Internet when Google Earth was new, if I remember correctly) and linking that to Operation Paperclip. Some interesting information, but if it's genuine seems to be in the wrong hands.

Or, perhaps more interesting, and if you're really paranoid, maybe it was put in the right hands to allow disinformation to propagate. If these people really are out there and so powerful, such information ending up with such an individual would be unlikely to be a mistake. To who's tune do you dance?

 

[Knight Templar]

The Knights Templar rule the world!
You diden't hear it from me.