Controversial Games

[Remleiz]

correct me if im wrong but didnt america ban flight simulator after 911 cuz it was 'training people how to crash planes' or some bullshit like that?

 

[stompy]

A WW2 game would be to simulate war and is (in the games I have seen and played) show facts without bias and opinion on the war. It doesn't call the enemy bad nor makes fun of them. It just shows what the war looked like and provides a good shooter game. Last time I checked it was Call of Duty: World at War not Call of Duty: HAHA

So, the continual portrayal of Nazis (and Japanese I suppose, but I haven't played World at War) as nothing but a horde of enemies that have no humanity, no redeeming qualities, is "show[ing] facts without bias and opinion", and "a good shooter game"?

Frankly, it sounds like you need to read a history book if you think war is like that in videogames. Perhaps after you are a bit more knowledgeable in the conditions faced by combatants, and civilians, in WW2, you can start saying how one event is 'less terrible' than the other.

My final note is that, regardless of what people believe, other people should be able to create games on controversial topics. If we have books about them, if we have movies about them, why can't we have videogames about them?

 

[dragonburner]

A WW2 game would be to simulate war and is (in the games I have seen and played) show facts without bias and opinion on the war. It doesn't call the enemy bad nor makes fun of them. It just shows what the war looked like and provides a good shooter game. Last time I checked it was Call of Duty: World at War not Call of Duty: HAHA

So, the continual portrayal of Nazis (and Japanese I suppose, but I haven't played World at War) as nothing but a horde of enemies that have no humanity, no redeeming qualities, is "show[ing] facts without bias and opinion", and "a good shooter game"?

Frankly, it sounds like you need to read a history book if you think war is like that in videogames. Perhaps after you are a bit more knowledgeable in the conditions faced by combatants, and civilians, in WW2, you can start saying how one event is 'less terrible' than the other.

My final note is that, regardless of what people believe, other people should be able to create games on controversial topics. If we have books about them, if we have movies about them, why can't we have video games about them?

We "can't" have games about them because the games aren't the same as books or movies. They are just to anger people. Not to inform. Not to retell. To anger. To hurt. If you think that's not bad take a good look in the mirror. And secondly I never said that soldiers are faceless. I said video game soldiers are. Video games are pixels and people are flesh and blood. However, video games about WW2 like COD and MOH aren't to anger. They are just a shooter game to make a bunch of people money and a bunch of people entertained. Not to offend. It's not propaganda. You could easily color in space marines and no one would care because it is a game. A 911 game is a game about a terrorist act. A WW2 game is presented as a shooter.

 

[Doug]

"Custard's Revenge" - just be glad back then mainstream media wasn't aware of video game or this would have sunk us before we could start (google it - its in wikipedia).

 

[dragonburner]

911 killed civilians and destroyed families. What if I ripped on your dad getting blown up unprovoked.

And what about all the "Non-American" Families that get blown every time america decides to invade somewhere?

know your facts. Is there a game where you do a blitz on London or something? No! War games are just about war with a little history in between missions. A 911 game would be about blowing up people in a terrorist strike.

*cough*GTA:london *cough*

*cough*Stupid Kid*cough*

What it's a legitmate point, but if we want to start mud slinging, your smelly.

HAHA. Hilarious. Where is the legitimacy of comparing GTA: London with the blitz. Was there even car bombs? Also GTA is about gang violence not terrorism.

 

[bad rider]

911 killed civilians and destroyed families. What if I ripped on your dad getting blown up unprovoked.

And what about all the "Non-American" Families that get blown every time america decides to invade somewhere?

know your facts. Is there a game where you do a blitz on London or something? No! War games are just about war with a little history in between missions. A 911 game would be about blowing up people in a terrorist strike.

*cough*GTA:london *cough*

*cough*Stupid Kid*cough*

What it's a legitmate point, but if we want to start mud slinging, your smelly.

HAHA. Hilarious. Where is the legitimacy of comparing GTA: London with the blitz. Was there even car bombs? Also GTA is about gang violence not terrorism.

know your facts. Is there a game where you do a blitz on London or something? No!

You said or something and I gave you a similar scenario.

A 911 game would be about blowing up people in a terrorist strike.

Running around london shooting and blowing up people with a variety of weapons. Ok if you don't think thats terrorism then fine but it's pretty fucking close.

 

[AdmiralWolverineLightningbolt]

here's a question: what would people feel if there was a game set in september 2001, and in one of the levels, you witnessed the twin towers being destroyed, and the rest of the game was an adventure game?

would that be acceptable?
cause i personally think it should

 

[Seydaman]

I think a good line not to cross is to make a game directly based on an actual event where a bunch of people died. Here's what I mean.

Not crossing the line- in a game like GTAwhatever, being able to crash a plane into a building. You can crash cars into people, you can shoot people in the streets, this should not be a problem, but I've heard (and this may be baloney) that while you can do this in GTASA, that in other GTAs, the decision was to not allow us to fly planes because people could crash them into buildings, reminiscent of the 911 attacks. Feel free to tell me that this isn't true, it's just an example which may or may not be fictional.

Crossing the line- a game where the point is to recreate the 911 attacks.

Notice that the difference (at least in my head) is that one of these examples would pretty much poke at a real event that had real effects on real people. The other doesn't. Feel free to disagree, this is just how I look at games.

well people might re-enact 911, but planes would be wacked, gta4's map is small

 

[Tyler_Durden]

I think a good line not to cross is to make a game directly based on an actual event where a bunch of people died. Here's what I mean.

.....Crossing the line- a game where the point is to recreate the 911 attacks.

might get offended?

I'm always amazed at the American tendency to view the events of September 11th as something absolutely off-limits to parody or satire.
It wasn't the first act of terrorism in the world, nor will it be the last in the world.... and yet it somehow occupies this island in the American psyche that is untouchable to the media and entertainment industry.

Slaughtering endless hordes of Muslim or Arab extremists or insurgents is fair game, same with Germans and Japanese (as infantry or bomber pilots).... but as soon as the casualties are American some imaginary line gets crossed.

I agree, people could just as well stop making fun of other tragic things if they can't make fun of 911.

its not completely off limits but just dont be an asshole if your going to parody 911

that shit is still a sensative subject jespecially in new york aka. my home especially if that person was working to clean up afterwards aka. my dad

just dont be a dick about it

 

[stompy]

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So, the majority should not be able to discuss, or explore, the issue, because the minority's work angers you?

 

[bubbington]

i'd just like to note that the IRA (Irish terrorist group that blew up plenty of innocent people in the UK) got a significant portion of their non-drug-dealing funds from America, escpecially from N.Y (I assume a large 'Irish-American' population).
There's something ironic there...

I'm not saying anyone 'deserved' 9/11, but to be such fucking whiners about it really highlights American cultural isolation. Hell, just look at Latin America and the democratically elected leaders removed and replaced with brutal dicators. Look at the pics of Rumsfeld and Saddam together. Look at the training and funding Osama got from the US. The US has been fucking with the world, killing - directly or indirectly - an inordinate number of civilians for decades.

 

[dragonburner]

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So, the majority should not be able to discuss, or explore, the issue, because the minority's work angers you?

What? That makes no sense to me.

 

[dragonburner]

911 killed civilians and destroyed families. What if I ripped on your dad getting blown up unprovoked.

And what about all the "Non-American" Families that get blown every time america decides to invade somewhere?

know your facts. Is there a game where you do a blitz on London or something? No! War games are just about war with a little history in between missions. A 911 game would be about blowing up people in a terrorist strike.

*cough*GTA:london *cough*

*cough*Stupid Kid*cough*

What it's a legitmate point, but if we want to start mud slinging, your smelly.

HAHA. Hilarious. Where is the legitimacy of comparing GTA: London with the blitz. Was there even car bombs? Also GTA is about gang violence not terrorism.

know your facts. Is there a game where you do a blitz on London or something? No!

You said or something and I gave you a similar scenario.

A 911 game would be about blowing up people in a terrorist strike.

Running around London shooting and blowing up people with a variety of weapons. It's ok if you don't think that's terrorism then fine but it's pretty fucking close.

Excuse me Captain Loophole! So I said "or something"! By the way isn't GTA IV in a version of New York? Lastly, I corrected your post grammatically

 

[Kogarian]

Games stop being fun when the creators do it for another reason besides entertainment (profit aside, of course).

 

[Kogarian]

This thread stops being worth the effort when nationalistic idiots get their hands on keyboards.

 

[Doug]

This thread stops being worth the effort when nationalistic idiots get their hands on keyboards.

Seems so - a sad trend on these forums lately.

 

[Aspire85]

To be fair, this topic brings me back to the whole stupid scene that RE5 was racist seeing as it was set in Africa, along with killing a few ethnic minority zombies (even though the sidekick was of African descent).

There is a fine line between reality and fantasy, and, seeing as most of us play games for entertainment value and escapism, it's hard to make people outside of our hobbies see things the same way as we do (usually the critics or media).

I don't know about you people, but I use games as a source of ENTERTAINMENT, I never judge people or races by the things I see on games. I guess it's no different to watching a film.. ie, Mississsipi burning/American History X.

I don't think there is any political value in most games (Deus Ex/Metal Gear subsiding), so why should we let it bother us?

An example of a game that bothers me is a Japanese one where you set out to imprison and rape girls. I don't know it's exact name but I feel that it's not of the interest of normal gamers like us.

 

[Pimppeter2]

Don't like it, don't buy it

Thats the way ive always been

 

[Pimppeter2]

I'm not saying anyone 'deserved' 9/11, but to be such fucking whiners about it really highlights American cultural isolation. Hell, just look at Latin America and the democratically elected leaders removed and replaced with brutal dicators. Look at the pics of Rumsfeld and Saddam together. Look at the training and funding Osama got from the US. The US has been fucking with the world, killing - directly or indirectly - an inordinate number of civilians for decades.

Blame are gov all you want, but were not whinning for the country, were whining because the people, you know the actual people that got killed.


Please tel me what "American cultural isolation" means, Cause im talking it to mean that Americans are ignorant or dont care about the world(the actuall people)