Controversial God of War: Ascension Trophy To Be Renamed

[Pedro The Hutt]

People are so up in arms over sexism in the gaming community, because they need to be politically correct and have learned that you should treat women well. The irony is that that statement starts sexism, because it implies that women are somehow different enough that they have to be cared for and taken care of.

Well, in an ideal world you'd be correct, sadly it isn't an ideal world. Evidence of that is plenty as women in gaming, both in the industry and simply on the playing side, are infinitely more likely to get harassed, ignored or ridiculed purely for their gender than for their actual behaviour, ideas, or gameplay.

#1reasonwhy happened for, well, a good reason. Women still don't get treated as they should on the workfloor in the gaming industry. They shouldn't be given strange looks if they bring up the point that a woman's armour is completely impractical and no one would wear it while a man's armour in the same game is 100% pragmatic in its design. Or earn less while doing the same work, or whatever else that series of tweets brought to light.

There also is a reason why you don't see many, if any girls in competitive gaming, as Street Fighter x Tekken showed (and countless CoD matches), women will get discriminated against purely because of their gender, so of course they'll stop playing games online if they can't simply have fun without someone insulting them or trying to hit on them just because they're girls on the internet. A site like http://fatuglyorslutty.com/ shouldn't have to exist.

And that is the real problem, this flipping trophy isn't a problem, it's a dumb stupid trophy that shouldn't exist, along with all other joke trophies that pull you out of the experience while playing a game's story mode, but it isn't the problem and all this bickering about it pulls attention away from the real problem. So yes, maybe women do need a bit of help. I fully believe that women are every bit as strong and capable as men, but the numbers are against them right now so maybe we should engage in some old fashioned chivalry and tell someone off if you see one of your fellow gamers dissing someone just for being a woman. Perhaps even report them if the game in question has such functions. I'd of course trust you to do the same if someone harasses a man in a video game, we shouldn't allow toxic behaviour to be aimed at anyone, regardless of gender. If you just let jerks have their way the situation will never change.

 

[rbstewart7263]

to be honest i see nothing wrong with bros before hos.

One: It does not inherently refer to all women ergo it is not sexist. It can for example only refer to shady women who sleep around and not say others. A meritocratic mindset is at hand here.

Two: CHicks before dicks is a thing and no one cries foul.

Three:Im a lover a dark humor and I dont like this sensitivity train that gaming is on. I believe in equality but I believe this is not the way to go.

edit: on a side note, any woman who haranged my goals as well as these did would probably create such ire in me that calling them anything would be fair game.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Yeah, no, sorry. Comparing the quest for Feminist equality to the civil rights movement grossly understates the struggle of the black men and women went through. Both racist and sexist views are equally wrong, but referring a woman as a prostitute is no were near as bad as calling someone a racial slur that was designed to dehumanize and therefore make it socially acceptable to ENSLAVE an entire race of people. And yes, I know of the illegal human trafficking, and I'm also aware it's ILLEGAL where as enslavement of black people was not only socially acceptable but LEGAL for a long fucking time and didn't end in America at least until we fought a fucking war about it.

Really? Well, Jesus, I could have swore women had to fight for all the same rights minorities had to. I must have missed that part in the history books where one day all of women kind woke up and suddenly had the right to own property, to vote, to get educations, equal pay, and not get beaten by their husbands.

Kiss my grits I need to crack open those old books and do some editing because dehumanizing slurs used against women are in no way comparable to the ones used against minorities. Wow we'll even need to edit the Bible. Let's see here

Deutreronomy 28 "If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found"
29 "then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."

We'll just change that to

Deutreronomy 28 "Happy Fun Time!"
29 "Kittens!"

Wheew. Dodged the bullet there. That ALMOST sounded like, by religious law, rapist are to compensate their victims fathers for damage of property and that victims are required to marry their assailants.

Good thing you came along and set me straight. I never knew women had it so good.

Oh it's been a while since I've busted this out:

You're going to reach back into biblical law, largely abandoned by the western world, when it wasn't more than a life time ago that certain people couldn't drink from the same water fountain?

Yeah, misogyny =/= slavery.

I must of missed that part of history class where the klan were burning crosses on the lawns of feminist and threatening to hang them. Remember Emma Till? That 14 year old girl that brutally murdered for WHISTLING at a married man? Yeah. The struggles of women, direct parable to the sufferings of black people. Yep.

 

[peruvianskys]

I must of missed that part of history class where the klan were burning crosses on the lawns of feminist and threatening to hang them. Remember Emma Till? That 14 year old girl that brutally murdered for WHISTLING at a married man? Yeah. The struggles of women, direct parable to the sufferings of black people. Yep.

One out of every three women on this planet will be either raped or abused by a partner. That's pretty fucked up.

And goddamnit, it is a civil rights issue, comparable in every way to the struggles of African-Americans. It wasn't until about 1975 that laws against legal pay discrimination, segregation, spousal rape, and involuntary internment were struck down for women - and be clear, that doesn't mean that these problems have disappeared. To claim that somehow women have not struggled greatly in the last three centuries for their human dignity in the face of massive social, legal, economic, and cultural barriers is to show an understanding of world history that borders on willfully ignorant.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I must of missed that part of history class where the klan were burning crosses on the lawns of feminist and threatening to hang them. Remember Emma Till? That 14 year old girl that brutally murdered for WHISTLING at a married man? Yeah. The struggles of women, direct parable to the sufferings of black people. Yep.

One out of every three women on this planet will be either raped or abused by a partner.

That's pretty fucked up.

Slave owners use to rape their women, only under legal definition of law it was not considered rape because they were legally property and it was socially acceptable. Those slave women would give birth, the slave owners would then likely sell their own kin to other slave owners. Arguably, that's pretty fucked up too. Even more so in my humble opinion because there was a time in our RECENT history where this was not only socially acceptable but completely legal and all based around black people not being considered people.

Wrong is wrong, but comparing the social injustice to the struggles of a group of people that were really not that long ago?

 

[peruvianskys]

Slave owners use to rape their women, only under legal definition of law it was not considered rape because they were legally property and it was socially acceptable. Those slave women would give birth, the slave owners would then likely sell their own kin to other slave owners. Arguably, that's pretty fucked up too. Even more so in my humble opinion because there was a time in our RECENT history where this was not only socially acceptable but completely legal and all based around black people not being considered people.

Wrong is wrong, but comparing the social injustice to the struggles of a group of people that were really not that long ago?

Women weren't considered "people" up until about 1800 either, and they got their right to vote after African-Americans. Even today, racism directed people of color, while hideous, does not manifest in the intense violence that many women face; while you may hear of a vicious hate crime targeting a black person every week or so, a woman is raped - and make no mistake, rape is a hate crime - in America every couple minutes.


I'm not trying to say that one has it worse than the other. It's less a direct comparison (although one can easily be made) and more a simple acknowledgement that women have struggled for equality, respect, and dignity in the past - and an even more simple admission that their struggle is not over. Reading this thread, I come across so many people who seem just incapable of understanding the historical context of feminism or its continued relevance to the life of women the world over. I'm simply trying to point out that many of us take offense at things like this not simply because they are themselves horrible but because they represent, encourage, and justify the attitudes and opinions that motivate the continued marginalization of and violence towards women.

The problem is that too many people here have no reference point; they have no understanding of what it is like to be watching a movie, listening to a song, or playing a video game and seeing something pop up that makes them feel like they aren't welcome. Straight, white men like me and the majority, it seems, of this board, are in a state of perpetual acceptance. It's hard to put yourself in another person's shoes, and we're just trying to point out how microaggressions like this contribute to a culture that alienates women. The fact that people respond with such venom just shows that misogyny is far from dead.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I must of missed that part of history class where the klan were burning crosses on the lawns of feminist and threatening to hang them. Remember Emma Till? That 14 year old girl that brutally murdered for WHISTLING at a married man? Yeah. The struggles of women, direct parable to the sufferings of black people. Yep.

One out of every three women on this planet will be either raped or abused by a partner. That's pretty fucked up.

And goddamnit, it is a civil rights issue, comparable in every way to the struggles of African-Americans. It wasn't until about 1975 that laws against legal pay discrimination, segregation, spousal rape, and involuntary internment were struck down for women - and be clear, that doesn't mean that these problems have disappeared. To claim that somehow women have not struggled greatly in the last three centuries for their human dignity in the face of massive social, legal, economic, and cultural barriers is to show an understanding of world history that borders on willfully ignorant.

So.... The struggles of women's equal rights is equal to this scene from Roots here, where the slave breaker continually whips the slave here until his spirit breaks...

Oh and I wish I could of found the scene where they were transporting them on the boats, and the white men decide they have to get rid of some of their stock so they tie the end of a chain of them around a huge rock and kick it overboard dragging about 50 black men, women, and children to a watery grave. Look, spousal rape is a huge problem, womens rights are a thing I support but comparing them to the struggles of black people grossly over simplifys their struggle.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Slave owners use to rape their women, only under legal definition of law it was not considered rape because they were legally property and it was socially acceptable. Those slave women would give birth, the slave owners would then likely sell their own kin to other slave owners. Arguably, that's pretty fucked up too. Even more so in my humble opinion because there was a time in our RECENT history where this was not only socially acceptable but completely legal and all based around black people not being considered people.

Wrong is wrong, but comparing the social injustice to the struggles of a group of people that were really not that long ago?

Women weren't considered "people" up until about 1800 either, and they got their right to vote after African-Americans. Even today, racism directed people of color, while hideous, does not manifest in the intense violence that many women face; while you may hear of a vicious hate crime targeting a black person every week or so, a woman is raped - and make no mistake, rape is a hate crime - in America every couple minutes.


I'm not trying to say that one has it worse than the other. It's less a direct comparison (although one can easily be made) and more a simple acknowledgement that women have struggled for equality, respect, and dignity in the past - and an even more simple admission that their struggle is not over. Reading this thread, I come across so many people who seem just incapable of understanding the historical context of feminism or its continued relevance to the life of women the world over. I'm simply trying to point out that many of us take offense at things like this not simply because they are themselves horrible but because they represent, encourage, and justify the attitudes and opinions that motivate the continued marginalization of and violence towards women.

The problem is that too many people here have no reference point; they have no understanding of what it is like to be watching a movie, listening to a song, or playing a video game and seeing something pop up that makes them feel like they aren't welcome. Straight, white men like me and the majority, it seems, of this board, are in a state of perpetual acceptance. It's hard to put yourself in another person's shoes, and we're just trying to point out how microaggressions like this contribute to a culture that alienates women. The fact that people respond with such venom just shows that misogyny is far from dead.

Okay, well Mid Boss was expressing that struggles of women's rights were EQUAL to that of the hardship of black people.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

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To further iterate your point I found this site [http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm] to be quite useful.

But you did forget to mention that there are still places around the world where women are nothing more than property, and have no rights to speak of (looks at the middle east). China (and I may be speaking out of my ass on this one) still values a baby boy more than a baby girl. Sometimes they are even discarded [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1506469.stm].

I was talking strictly the western world.

 

[peruvianskys]

Okay, well Mid Boss was expressing that struggles of women's rights were EQUAL to that of the hardship of black people.

Yeah, I kinda came in halfway there. The whole Olympics of suffering thing that can occur when one tries to directly compare two horrible but unique histories is never fruitful. I was simply trying to point out that some on this forum who have essentially stated, "Stop whining, women, black people were the ones who really suffered!" are grossly underestimating the struggle of women around the world, both historically and in the present day. Apologies for any confusion.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Okay, well Mid Boss was expressing that struggles of women's rights were EQUAL to that of the hardship of black people.

Yeah, I kinda came in halfway there. The whole Olympics of suffering thing that can occur when one tries to directly compare two horrible but unique histories is never fruitful. I was simply trying to point out that some on this forum who have essentially stated, "Stop whining, women, black people were the ones who really suffered!" are grossly underestimating the struggle of women around the world, both historically and in the present day. Apologies for any confusion.

Nah I get it. Equality is important, I certainly agree. I've been taking a great deal of time recently delving into the struggles of blacks and racism the past month working on Senior Thesis so I see someone trying to make a direct comparison to that it's like... Really? Gay rights advocates do it too, and yeah parables are there with hates crimes like Mathew Sheppard but it's still an entire race of people enslaved! ya know?

Slavery and The Holocaust I think are two situations brought about minority groups that should never be compared in terms of "These struggles are just like those struggles."

Maybe if one is a women in the middle east, then... wouldn't say it's still direct, but they would stone a women to death there for showing a bit of ankle. But if one is a average middle class white women in the suburbs of north america? ehhhhh

 

[Willy Hernandez]

I want remark that this kind of dumb topics are the reason why PETA keeps fucking with our games and stuffs, you see, we take a moment of stupidity in a game charged of violence, murder and gore and say, "Oh no, misoginy! Let´s point it", Why doesn´t call the game misantropic then? or mis...theist or whatever... the next thing we´ll have to deal with will be PETA asking us for think in the minotaurs feelings.

ITS A FUCKING GAME!!!!, I´m against that kind of behavior, but in real life, If anyone can prove me that one idiot punchline after one fight improves the misoginy in general or that is the evidence of the real colors of the Dev team (wich is hard considering this is a GoW game) i will shut up my mouth and say, ok... change the name, and also give Kratos the option to not kill the foes and give them ice cream, till then... come on people. I feel good and bad about the name change, good cause its new see a dev team that hear the critics and do something about, and bad cause all that critics could be better, I wanna be a game journalist like Adam, maybe in that case Santa Monica will do my dreamed GoW4 when Kratos raise the survivors of humanity against the ghost of athena and fix the chaos he cause on his long, long, long uproar

Also, think about Gow3 for a second, if the Poseidon Princess would being a man, There should be so much troubles? i don´t like the moment either, but before that i take like 40 women npc and foes and massacrate them, should i feel bad for the way Kratos pull of the gorgon snake hair, cause seems a caveman sexist behavior?

 

[Mid Boss]

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Is that the entire basis of your argument that it happened more recently therefore it was worse and incomparable? Sadly I don't use sarcastic youtube clips or right now I'd post one to express how much that boggles my mind.

Thousand of years of oppression, all dismissed because it didn't happen recently enough. I'm walking away from this now. You have fun.

 

[Church185]

I was talking strictly the western world.

Why? This is an international site, and the game was also released internationally. People here are getting upset because it is "just a game", and think that sexism isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be. But, I'd like to think those people aren't looking at the big picture. Just because you don't see something, or it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that sex slavery is still a thing that exists all over the world.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I was talking strictly the western world.

Why? This is an international site, and the game was also released internationally. People here are getting upset because it is "just a game", and think that sexism isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be. But, I'd like to think those people aren't looking at the big picture. Just because you don't see something, or it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that sex slavery is still a thing that exists all over the world.

Yeah, Sex Slavery is a thing. A very illegal thing, at least in the west.

lol international site. Aren't all public websites on the internet considered "international"? I speak specifically of the western world because by in large our world governments aren't founded upon Theocracy, or in a totalitarian state like China. Those sections of the world have a great deal of their own hurdles to accomplish before equal rights, ya know.... like having rights to begin with.

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Is that the entire basis of your argument that it happened more recently therefore it was worse and incomparable? Sadly I don't use sarcastic youtube clips or right now I'd post one to express how much that boggles my mind.

Thousand of years of oppression, all dismissed because it didn't happen recently enough. I'm walking away from this now. You have fun.

No I see the error of my ways. The struggles of victorian women like Virginia Woolf are exactly like what Frederick Douglas went through.

And a strawman: Gays not being allowed to marry is exactly like Hitler gassing Jews in the holocaust.....

The basis of my argument is that the comparison of the struggles are completely disperportiant to the struggles or hardships.

 

[Church185]

Yeah, Sex Slavery is a thing. A very illegal thing, at least in the west.

lol international site. Aren't all public websites on the internet considered "international"? I speak specifically of the western world because by in large our world governments aren't founded upon Theocracy, or in a totalitarian state like China. Those sections of the world have a great deal of their own hurdles to accomplish before equal rights, ya know.... like having rights to begin with.

Just because it is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1596778&page=1


Japan isn't a theocracy, nor is it a totalitarian state. But the social norms for females there are completely out of balance. Women are encouraged to go to school to work in the tourist industry, while men are encouraged to study business.

 

[antipunt]

People need to learn to take a damn joke.

This.

I'm surprised there's any sand left in the world, what with it being stuck in specific crevices ¬_¬

^Now THATS a funny joke XD

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Yeah, Sex Slavery is a thing. A very illegal thing, at least in the west.

lol international site. Aren't all public websites on the internet considered "international"? I speak specifically of the western world because by in large our world governments aren't founded upon Theocracy, or in a totalitarian state like China. Those sections of the world have a great deal of their own hurdles to accomplish before equal rights, ya know.... like having rights to begin with.

Just because it is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1596778&page=1


Japan isn't a theocracy, nor is it a totalitarian state. But the social norms for females there are completely out of balance. Women are encouraged to go to school to work in the tourist industry, while men are encouraged to study business.

Yes, because working in the tourist industry = hanging a 14 year old black mail for whistling at a white woman.

 

[stabnex]

"wah, wah, we made a game about ultra violence sexually non-pc"

Seriously? Seriously. Objectification of women aside, THIS is what makes them pull the 180 on their convictions?