Controversial God of War: Ascension Trophy To Be Renamed

[Mylinkay Asdara]

I'm all for fighting the good fight for equality - especially in my favorite activity, video gaming - and maybe there's a bit of "I only played I and II because my fiancé couldn't manage the button sequences and felt it was too much (but not enough) like the Devil May Cry button" coloring how much I don't care about this, but I don't care about this.

Seriously. For those ultra offended: choose your battles and choose them wisely, otherwise it's a losing war - pretty much always. There are bigger fish to fry if you're anxious to move the cause forward - MUCH bigger fish, A LOT of them. Honestly.

For those who are defending this: it isn't worth a defense either because it's really hard to defend stupidity (the new pun version is far superior for a giggle value) and nothing worthwhile results when you try. Artistic integrity? Free speech? These lofty concepts are hard to link to a single phrase on a meaningless bit of digital flotsam, and for good reason.

This is insignificant. That is the gist of what I'm saying here.

 

[1337mokro]

You could punch Zeus into a bloody pulp. But when it happens to a woman. MISOGYNY! BRUTAL! EVIL!

Oh please! You could get a trophy for banging all the women in the game, who I would like to remind you are nothing more but sex objects in these games. No misogyny here. Nothing to worry about.

Fuck you! Lara Croft gets impaled through the head on spikes and I didn't see Adam Sessler stirring up a storm for this controversial unnecessary brutality that actually made me a feel uncomfortable. A pointless trophy in a franchise that prides itself on ultra violence and sex is what gets highlighted instead.

To get worked up over this is to get worked up about the Chinese store in my neighborhood that still has a giant sign over it saying Oriental. Because we collectively decided that Oriental was now offensive to.

Fuck Sessler and all the other PC pansies out there.

 

[Lonewolfm16]

Well, I always thought the phrase was a bit stupid and a smidge misogynistic but I would say changing it is a over-reaction. Its a tiny change, that hardly effected anyone and is in fact a better play on words as others have said so I don't really mind it at all, I am just kinda indifferent with a slight mix of befuddled.

 

[XMark]

You could punch Zeus into a bloody pulp. But when it happens to a woman. MISOGYNY! BRUTAL! EVIL!

The violent act in itself was not the cause of rage (it fits within the narrative, and it's not even as bloody as countless other kills in the series). Lots of female characters in other games have taken far worse punishment without a wave of rage spreading over the internet. Obviously gamers don't have any particular problem with the depiction of violence against women if it makes sense within the game and it's not specifically targeted at women just because they are women.

It's the combination of the violent act and the "Bros before hoes" name which causes the rage. The trophy name was chosen BECAUSE the enemy in question was female. The violence was justified in the game's narrative, but the trophy name turned it into a joke, deliberately focusing on the genders of the characters involved and trivializing the violent act, which would have been alright by itself.

The trophy was basically pointing and laughing and saying "LOL violence against women".

I don't normally like when things get too "politically correct", but there was a very valid complaint here.

 

[jcfrommars9]

The Furies aren't academically definitive "hos". No, they're sadistic torturers who are every bit as sociopathic and murderous as Kratos. They're so upstanding that their own son rather risk his life betraying them to help a man he barely knows than to serve them. Anyway, Sessler completely got his facts wrong and SM changes the title of a trophy because he couldn't bother to get it right. Oh well. That's the problem XMark, the game doesn't laugh at violence against women at all. The trophy refers to Orkos betraying the Furies to help Kratos not Kratos beating up Alecto, which contextually makes far more sense hence the term, "Bros before Hos". What's worse is that the trophy never follows Kratos beating up Alecto. It follows Orkos telling Kratos that he's going to help him regardless of what the Furies decide to do to punish him.

 

[jcfrommars9]

so, IN FUCKING CONTEXT you are beating women down and getting an achievement for it.

No, you're not. In fact, when you do beat the Furies, the achievement you gets is "Bond Broken". "Bros before Hos" is a trophy given because Orkos betrays the Furies to help Kratos defeat them. Sessler got his facts wrong and then it snowballed to the point where Santa Monica decided to change the title.

 

[William Dickbringer]

And thus everyone throws around the word PC like it's confetti in a parade honestly this sums up my enitre reaction to the changing and the achievement name

 

[BehattedWanderer]

Good. Glad the team is actually starting to listen to the crowd asking for less blatant misogyny in God of War. Yeah, I love the God of War games, but that doesn't stop me from seriously despising the fact that every single female in the games gets violently killed--bar one. Yeah, everything gets violently killed, I know, I get that, but there's actually quite a few guys that manage to live longer than twenty minutes, while the only female that does manage to avoid the fate of everything else isn't because she's intelligent, or wily, or because she realized what Kratos was doing and GTFO'd, but it's because he got to stick his dick in. Yeah, compared to the human doorstop moment that had no context other than he couldn't figure out any other way, surrounded by strong stone statues, to stop a gear, stomping on a fury isn't that bad, but how about we take the small victories of "we don't need to kill everyone just because" where we can, especially if it means we're avoiding throwing random frat blurbs after it, hm?

 

[Fursnake]

God of War just got emasculated a little bit.

 

[Brad Shepard]

People need to learn to take a damn joke.

Sorry I don't find beating a woman funny.

ITS A GAME, Get over it. Its in context to the game plus all this gender differentiation is tearing people apart, if you want everyone to be equal, you have to represent everyone as equal, that means getting to kill female AND male characters in games, among other things.

Im starting to get real fucking tired of hearing "IN CONTEXT".

reading through most of the youtube comments that was the argument for 90% of them.


want to know what it means?

parts of a piece of text (such as paragraphs) that precede and follow a certain detail.


so, IN FUCKING CONTEXT you are beating women down and getting an achievement for it.


now before someone goes off and lables people as white knight's and questioning people's sexuality, Im all for gender equality.

I have no problem moving down both men and women in games I play. I dont really play fighting games, but when I did a long time ago, I had no problem pulling Sonya Blades spine out besides my fingers slipping from the controller.


but lets change the situation real quick, what if the achievement was for beating up gay characters?

black characters?

children even?

would you be so willing to defend it then?


rant provided by the association for the proper use of 'IN CONTEXT' and the removal of the improperly use of 'irony'.

You seem very frustrated, so ill be the calm one here and answer your question, yes, i would still defend the achievement/trophy name even if it was kids or black characters, you know why? for one, Who the hell cares if the character is black, dont try to bring race into this, because i dont care if your black, white, purple or whatever, Ill kill you all the same in a game. Gaming is my hobby and im tired of all this bullshit that it gets when movies and music and comics and just about everything else gets away with it, so dont preach at me, because i will always defend the games i love and care about from hypocritical bullshit.

 

[Sack of Cheese]

Woah... woah woah, hold on just one minute... I thought

Spoiler

Kratos died for good at the end of God of War 3... is this a prequel or something?

.

This game takes place after the first GoW.

 

[Brad Shepard]

People need to learn to take a damn joke.

Sorry I don't find beating a woman funny.

ITS A GAME, Get over it. Its in context to the game plus all this gender differentiation is tearing people apart, if you want everyone to be equal, you have to represent everyone as equal, that means getting to kill female AND male characters in games, among other things.

Im starting to get real fucking tired of hearing "IN CONTEXT".

reading through most of the youtube comments that was the argument for 90% of them.


want to know what it means?

parts of a piece of text (such as paragraphs) that precede and follow a certain detail.


so, IN FUCKING CONTEXT you are beating women down and getting an achievement for it.


now before someone goes off and lables people as white knight's and questioning people's sexuality, Im all for gender equality.

I have no problem moving down both men and women in games I play. I dont really play fighting games, but when I did a long time ago, I had no problem pulling Sonya Blades spine out besides my fingers slipping from the controller.


but lets change the situation real quick, what if the achievement was for beating up gay characters?

black characters?

children even?

would you be so willing to defend it then?


rant provided by the association for the proper use of 'IN CONTEXT' and the removal of the improperly use of 'irony'.

Another point, Why the fuck does it matter, You beat a boss, you get an achievement, That's the name of the game. I did not see feminist or anyone else complaining about 10 years ago when we where killing Ultimicia in FF8, which if the game was released in this day and age, you would get an achievement for.

 

[GasparNolasco]

I like that Sessler considers God of War an "adult" game. Seriously, that game is being marketed to 14 year old boys from it's conception. It's not mature, it's just gory.

But yeah, that's out of place feminism striking again. Kratos beats men and women equally (a bit too equally if anything). That series has a lot of problems, misogyny is not one of them.

 

[MegaManOfNumbers]

Sorry. Made a dumb post. IGNORE ME!

 

[Snotnarok]

Honestly they should keep it, and not back down to censorship. People are offended? Oh well they probably aren't playing the game anyway, and if what's bothering them is some text vs using a woman as a door stop and orgies with women with no depth of character, lots of female nudity, disembowelment, eye gouging, neck breaking, very visceral in your face decapitation,impalement then I have to question why is it okay to pick and choose this? Something that isn't even about the game it's about a dumb fucking milestone that has no relevance to the game itself. All that above is okay but some stupid text isn't okay?

Screw that, let them do what they do and don't back peddle to people who can't handle a bit of immature text. Censorship is bullshit, if it offends you here's a great idea, don't play it and you don't have to be offended.

 

[xPixelatedx]

IT'S A TRIVIAL CHANGE MADE TO A GAME WITH NO IMPACT ON YOU, get over it.

Well no. It was a minor edit, but it was an edit done under pressure from people who had no genuine interest or connection to the game what so ever. The real problem is the precedent this opens up. Should people who complain about everything they read and hear in every form of media be allowed have their complaints change that media? Is it right to alter, neuter or otherwise transform things just to make some sensitive people fweel better about themselves?

When you're making a bigger stink than the people who caused the change, the "grow up" argument loses a lot of its bite.

Complaining to change other people's entertainment, even though it has no bearing on you, is immature.

Complaining because your entertainment is being changed by people who think they should be the controller of what you see/hear/read/play is justified complaining.

The entire idea that the world should be altered around someone's personal comfort levels is the sign of a psychologically damaged and sheltered mind that is unprepared to face the hardships life is made up of.

 

[Fappy]

Honestly, in this instance I thin-

*looks at previous comments*

Whelp, that escalated quickly.

Seriously, you really can't talk about sexism issues here can you?

The actual thread in Gaming Discussion a few days ago was less ferocious than this >.<

OT: I agree with Grey on this one. Odd thing to nitpick considering the franchise in question.