Controversial God of War: Ascension Trophy To Be Renamed

[CaptainKarma]

Honestly they should keep it, and not back down to censorship. People are offended? Oh well they probably aren't playing the game anyway, and if what's bothering them is some text vs using a woman as a door stop and orgies with women with no depth of character, lots of female nudity, disembowelment, eye gouging, neck breaking, very visceral in your face decapitation,impalement then I have to question why is it okay to pick and choose this? Something that isn't even about the game it's about a dumb fucking milestone that has no relevance to the game itself. All that above is okay but some stupid text isn't okay?

Screw that, let them do what they do and don't back peddle to people who can't handle a bit of immature text. Censorship is bullshit, if it offends you here's a great idea, don't play it and you don't have to be offended.

IT'S A TRIVIAL CHANGE MADE TO A GAME WITH NO IMPACT ON YOU, get over it.

Well no. It was a minor edit, but it was an edit done under pressure from people who had no genuine interest or connection to the game what so ever. The real problem is the precedent this opens up. Should people who complain about everything they read and hear in every form of media be allowed have their complaints change that media? Is it right to alter, neuter or otherwise transform things just to make some sensitive people fweel better about themselves?

When you're making a bigger stink than the people who caused the change, the "grow up" argument loses a lot of its bite.

Complaining to change other people's entertainment, even though it has no bearing on you, is immature.

Complaining because your entertainment is being changed by people who think they should be the controller of what you see/hear/read/play is justified complaining.

The entire idea that the world should be altered around someone's personal comfort levels is the sign of a psychologically damaged and sheltered mind that is unprepared to face the hardships life is made up of.

You're both being histrionic. It's not censorship, nobody forced them to make the change. It's not even pressure, not a protest or a campaign. It's one video. One guy. He called them out and they were like "Ayup, kinda tasteless, let's fix it".

It's completely asinine to act like this is an attempt to control what media you can enjoy.

 

[rbstewart7263]

Honestly they should keep it, and not back down to censorship. People are offended? Oh well they probably aren't playing the game anyway, and if what's bothering them is some text vs using a woman as a door stop and orgies with women with no depth of character, lots of female nudity, disembowelment, eye gouging, neck breaking, very visceral in your face decapitation,impalement then I have to question why is it okay to pick and choose this? Something that isn't even about the game it's about a dumb fucking milestone that has no relevance to the game itself. All that above is okay but some stupid text isn't okay?

Screw that, let them do what they do and don't back peddle to people who can't handle a bit of immature text. Censorship is bullshit, if it offends you here's a great idea, don't play it and you don't have to be offended.

IT'S A TRIVIAL CHANGE MADE TO A GAME WITH NO IMPACT ON YOU, get over it.

Well no. It was a minor edit, but it was an edit done under pressure from people who had no genuine interest or connection to the game what so ever. The real problem is the precedent this opens up. Should people who complain about everything they read and hear in every form of media be allowed have their complaints change that media? Is it right to alter, neuter or otherwise transform things just to make some sensitive people fweel better about themselves?

When you're making a bigger stink than the people who caused the change, the "grow up" argument loses a lot of its bite.

Complaining to change other people's entertainment, even though it has no bearing on you, is immature.

Complaining because your entertainment is being changed by people who think they should be the controller of what you see/hear/read/play is justified complaining.

The entire idea that the world should be altered around someone's personal comfort levels is the sign of a psychologically damaged and sheltered mind that is unprepared to face the hardships life is made up of.

You're both being histrionic. It's not censorship, nobody forced them to make the change. It's not even pressure, not a protest or a campaign. It's one video. One guy. He called them out and they were like "Ayup, kinda tasteless, let's fix it".

It's completely asinine to act like this is an attempt to control what media you can enjoy.

perhaps its still them being spineless by choice over nothing.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

And neo-feminism shows again why it's retarded and people shouldn't support it.

 

[bartholen_v1legacy]

After reading some of these comments I've come to the conclusion that nobody on this thread has the right to pretend that they don't understand why women feel excluded from gaming and why gaming is viewed as adolescent, mindless piffle.

 

[Paradoxrifts]

I don't know who's worse: the privileged white fucks aghast that words have consequences and they should own the stupid shit they say rather than hiding behind ironic detachment or the privileged white fucks who have nothing better to do than be offended on behalf of all minorities.

People in glass houses.

That said, Sessler is being kind of a ****** here.

Shouldn't cast stones.

 

[knight steel]

I wonder if people would be this outraged if the trophy was called "chicks before dicks" and featured Kratos ripping of a mans balls with you receiving the achievement for doing this?

I mean both makes generalization's about an entire gender [all women are hoe's-all men are dicks] and would come about due to causing bodily harm to said gender.

[ok really the trophy comes up because your "bro" rescues you from the "hoes" the women you beat up is really a demon and ends up completely fine but since most people are ignoring this well just pretended they are right].

So would people be this out raged or would it be ok because the man is "tougher" or perhaps because "women have suffered in the past to all negative treatment of males is justified" or maybe "the man deserved it more".

Personally I feel if my proposed circumstance not a single person would bat an eyelid *sigh* I hate double standards.....but maybe I'm wrong share your thoughts ^_^

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

People need to learn to take a damn joke.

Sorry I don't find beating a woman funny.

ITS A GAME, Get over it. Its in context to the game plus all this gender differentiation is tearing people apart, if you want everyone to be equal, you have to represent everyone as equal, that means getting to kill female AND male characters in games, among other things.

Im starting to get real fucking tired of hearing "IN CONTEXT".

reading through most of the youtube comments that was the argument for 90% of them.


want to know what it means?

parts of a piece of text (such as paragraphs) that precede and follow a certain detail.


so, IN FUCKING CONTEXT you are beating women down and getting an achievement for it.


now before someone goes off and lables people as white knight's and questioning people's sexuality, Im all for gender equality.

I have no problem moving down both men and women in games I play. I dont really play fighting games, but when I did a long time ago, I had no problem pulling Sonya Blades spine out besides my fingers slipping from the controller.


but lets change the situation real quick, what if the achievement was for beating up gay characters?

black characters?

children even?

would you be so willing to defend it then?


rant provided by the association for the proper use of 'IN CONTEXT' and the removal of the improperly use of 'irony'.

An excellent point and somewhat eye-opening for me. My initial reaction to this story was to just... shrug. But you're right, if the achievement was for beating up a gay and had a name like "Gay Basher" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bashing] then there'd be a massive (and righteous) backlash.

 

[WindKnight]

so, IN FUCKING CONTEXT you are beating women down and getting an achievement for it.

No, you're not. In fact, when you do beat the Furies, the achievement you gets is "Bond Broken". "Bros before Hos" is a trophy given because Orkos betrays the Furies to help Kratos defeat them. Sessler got his facts wrong and then it snowballed to the point where Santa Monica decided to change the title.

I'd say don't even bother. The point has been brought up multiple times in the thread, but fact of the matter is people are completely willing to disregard or outright throw away common sense and logical thinking in order to just push and push their own thoughts.
Some people noticed when you actually got the achievement, the context of the achievement, and thus understood its meaning.
Others don't give a Harpy's flea-covered ass about the context of the achievement, and just want to jump on the PC bandwagon to insult and belittle others for not agreeing with them.

Some have noticed, and still find its context and placement tasteless and unfunny, and with some unfortunate implications.

Its very much a 'seriously, dude? not funny, way to ruin the moment.' kind of thing.

Some have mentioned the Ho slang word as 'just referring to women in general', and defending it like that... except, by 'referring to women in general', you are saying its ok to use a slang word that is designed as a shortened insult against sex workers as way to talk about women. Much as the way some teen boys don't seem to get why women get upset when you think its ok to just use '*****' instead of she, her or woman.

 

[Gearhead mk2]

From what I heard, the entire GOW series past the first one has been nothing but mindless "SMASH KILL SEX SCOWL RAAAAAAARGH". Took them long enough to catch on.

 

[Terramax]

It's God of War. How do you take that game serious enough to be shocked by something like this?

 

[jcfrommars9]

so, IN FUCKING CONTEXT you are beating women down and getting an achievement for it.

No, you're not. In fact, when you do beat the Furies, the achievement you gets is "Bond Broken". "Bros before Hos" is a trophy given because Orkos betrays the Furies to help Kratos defeat them. Sessler got his facts wrong and then it snowballed to the point where Santa Monica decided to change the title.

I'd say don't even bother. The point has been brought up multiple times in the thread, but fact of the matter is people are completely willing to disregard or outright throw away common sense and logical thinking in order to just push and push their own thoughts.
Some people noticed when you actually got the achievement, the context of the achievement, and thus understood its meaning.
Others don't give a Harpy's flea-covered ass about the context of the achievement, and just want to jump on the PC bandwagon to insult and belittle others for not agreeing with them.

Some have noticed, and still find its context and placement tasteless and unfunny, and with some unfortunate implications.

Its very much a 'seriously, dude? not funny, way to ruin the moment.' kind of thing.

Some have mentioned the Ho slang word as 'just referring to women in general', and defending it like that... except, by 'referring to women in general', you are saying its ok to use a slang word that is designed as a shortened insult against sex workers as way to talk about women. Much as the way some teen boys don't seem to get why women get upset when you think its ok to just use '*****' instead of she, her or woman.

I don't mind if people find the trophy name tasteless. At least those people do for the correct reasons. What I mind is people incorrectly believing that the trophy achievement had anything to do with Kratos beating up Alecto. This tells me that they didn't bother to check the facts for themselves nor did they care to. They just went off what someone else said (Sessler). I can't take them or their outrage seriously if like Sessler they can't even bother to get their facts right. That's just irresponsible. Bros before Hos is obviously a play on words for Orkos betraying the Furies to help Kratos and nothing more.

 

[WindKnight]

I don't mind if people find the trophy name tasteless. At least those people do for the correct reasons. What I mind is people incorrectly believing that the trophy achievement had anything to do with Kratos beating up Alecto. This tells me that they didn't bother to check the facts for themselves nor did they care to. They just went off what someone else said (Sessler). I can't take them or their outrage seriously if like Sessler they can't even bother to get their facts right. That's just irresponsible. Bros before Hos is obviously a play on words for Orkos betraying the Furies to help Kratos and nothing more.

Actually, Sesslers reveiw is specifically talking about the fight, and he states that in context the fight itself and the cutscenes fit within the games framework and what we klnow of Kratos, and its only whn the trophy popped 'after the cutscene' that he took offense. And yes, that is what it is referring it too, but it essentially reduces a man choosing to aid someone against their evil mother to frat boy humour, which coupled to the prior beating of said mother sets the wrong tone.

Also, there's a lot of people running in and raging 'BUT ITS OK TO BEAT UP MEN! DOUBLE STANDARDS! DOUBLE STANDARDS!', so its not just people complaining about the trophy who are not making sure they know what their talking about.

 

[Madgamer13]

Well, this is amusing. This also has to be one of the least violent encounters with Kratos I've ever seen as well, I think the highly destructive god of war went easy on her. The achievement also happens after the guy saves Kratos, which suggests that the achievement is actually for the actions of Orkos after the 'savage beating' the not-so-lady recieved.

I think Kratos should show his stance on equality and give a real female in his god of war lore a Zeus level beating worthy of legend. Any less would only suggest that Kratos thinks women are inferior to his male opponents.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Doesn't it feel good to love your fellow man, you guys?

...

Guys...?

OT: I don't think I could say anything meaningful regarding this matter that won't add fuel to this already preposterously large fire.

 

[CaptainKarma]

perhaps its still them being spineless by choice over nothing.

And perhaps they actually saw the error of their ways. Let us continue to speculate on their motives to prove a point.

God of War isn't misogynistic, Kratos kills both men and women without mercy.

If anything it is the definition of gender equality.

Which is perhaps why the issue isn't him killing her (which is staying in the game) and more in the achievement name (which has been changed)

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Some people need to grow up.

When you're making a bigger stink than the people who caused the change, the "grow up" argument loses a lot of its bite.

It was a stupid title. It's a stupid change. There', equality. Let's move on.

How exactly is a quick opinion drop on a semi-related forum a "bigger-stink" than anything that would cause a dev to change their content? It's not... is the obvious answer. I do get that-that doesn't help you to be rudely dismissive of people or aid you in feeling superior...

I agree with the idea that this is an inconsequential change to the game. I also agree with the sentiment that they shouldn't have buckled, especially given that the nature of the complaint seems to be based on a mis-interpretation of the scene.

 

[Robetid]

I'm still offended by the title of this achievement. I have never been in a frat and am nobody's "bro". Bros before foes is derogitory to males and catagorizes us as mindless binge drinkers chasing loose women while wearing backwards truckers caps, brightly colored tank tops, and board shorts. I don't think the devs have fixed anything, but only made it worse by assuming being a "bro" is socially acceptable. Yep, this arguement is that stupid.

 

[jcfrommars9]

Actually, Sesslers reveiw is specifically talking about the fight, and he states that in context the fight itself and the cutscenes fit within the games framework and what we klnow of Kratos, and its only whn the trophy popped 'after the cutscene' that he took offense. And yes, that is what it is referring it too, but it essentially reduces a man choosing to aid someone against their evil mother to frat boy humour, which coupled to the prior beating of said mother sets the wrong tone.

The reason I don't agree because it's clear that the impression far too many people got was that the trophy immediately followed and/or was only in regards to Kratos beating up Alecto. To the point that it needed to be explained in the first place. That tells me that ultimately, Sessler spoke without proper context. Perhaps because of the embargo but that is irresponsible. Plus Sessler's criticism implies that Kratos' reasons for beating up Alecto was because she was a woman not because she was evil and just as brutal and powerful as he is. As Kratos and players quickly find out, she cannot be defeated so easily.

Also, there's a lot of people running in and raging 'BUT ITS OK TO BEAT UP MEN! DOUBLE STANDARDS! DOUBLE STANDARDS!', so its not just people complaining about the trophy who are not making sure they know what their talking about.

True, but I never said otherwise.