Controversial God of War: Ascension Trophy To Be Renamed

[Frankster]

For a " shockingly violent scene even by God of War standards" i was rather disappointed once i went to see the actual scene in question. It was one of the tamest god of war scenes yet xD The Fury in question walks it off too.

Otherwise can fully understand why the name needed to be changed. Bros before foes is better in every regard aswell.

 

[CaptainKarma]

Which is perhaps why the issue isn't him killing her (which is staying in the game) and more in the achievement name (which has been changed)

It's just a general fratboy term that doesn't harm a soul. I don't see why people get so up in arms about shit like this when they could be focusing on real misogyny.[/quote]

WHo is "so up in arms" about it? This seems the tiniest controversy ever. Reviewer calls them out, they change it, the Escapist reports the change, and I procrastinate at work arguing why they were right to change it.

How is that an overreaction? It's barely a reaction.

 

[Lugbzurg]

People need to learn to take a damn joke.

Yeah, I was wondering why people would consider this to be so out-of-place. Did they forget that fountain scene near the beginning of God of War II? This is even more stupid than if Splinter Cell: Blacklist had a trophy or achievement that made a pun about knocking people unconscious. Like... where were you during everything, reviewer!?

 

[WindKnight]

That tells me that ultimately, Sessler spoke without proper context. Perhaps because of the embargo but that is irresponsible. Plus Sessler's criticism implies that Kratos' reasons for beating up Alecto was because she was a woman not because she was evil and just as brutal and powerful as he is. As Kratos and players quickly find out, she cannot be defeated so easily.
True, but I never said otherwise.

His criticism was entirely of the trophy title. If you watch the video, he was uncomfortable with the beating itself, but acknowledged it fit the game and the character. Kratos is vicious, nasty, brutish, the 'victim' is evil and monstrous and just as capable of nastiness herself. The trophy title adds an uncomfortable context to the beating there otherwise would not have been.

break the phrase down, it ultimately means 'treat males as your soul brothers. treat females as ephemeral things you use for sex.' The alteration takes the uncomfortable connotations away, and honestly makes the line funnier.

 

[Tolkienfanatic]

What a shame that Sony Santa Monica felt compelled to pander to a vocal minority of over-senstive politically correct sissies.

 

[jcfrommars9]

That tells me that ultimately, Sessler spoke without proper context. Perhaps because of the embargo but that is irresponsible. Plus Sessler's criticism implies that Kratos' reasons for beating up Alecto was because she was a woman not because she was evil and just as brutal and powerful as he is. As Kratos and players quickly find out, she cannot be defeated so easily.
True, but I never said otherwise.

His criticism was entirely of the trophy title. If you watch the video, he was uncomfortable with the beating itself, but acknowledged it fit the game and the character. Kratos is vicious, nasty, brutish, the 'victim' is evil and monstrous and just as capable of nastiness herself. The trophy title adds an uncomfortable context to the beating there otherwise would not have been.

break the phrase down, it ultimately means 'treat males as your soul brothers. treat females as ephemeral things you use for sex.' The alteration takes the uncomfortable connotations away, and honestly makes the line funnier.

The trophy title had nothing to do with the context of the beating nor could it have by any stretch of the imagination be confused as otherwise. Sessler made that incorrect leap all on his own. Worse, he did it without giving all of the context and facts which sent others in a frenzy believing that the title directly followed or was about Kratos beating a woman to death when it was neither. The phrase "Bros before Hos" has more than one meaning. Some deliberately derogatory, some a figure speech, certainly not always meaning that women in general are objects only to be used for sex. In this case, it was regarding Orkos betrayal of the Furies to Kratos. I'm not concerned about the alteration. If you're happy with it, that's fine. I'm concerned because of how badly Sessler misinterpreted the scene. How it was acceptable that Sessler didn't need to regard context or facts, just as long as he implied that it was sexist or misogynistic, then it's alright which it again, it wasn't.

 

[Detroit]

I had a quite a laugh when I read this post on Destructoid:

I like it too because now it equates Hoes and Foes

and women are the enemy.

It would've been more appropriate if the God of War franchise had a different track record. This is typical GoW stuff that's why it was put in the game in the first place.
The GoW experience "soured" by something that is typically GoW. Something about the game industry, pandering and drawing lines between blood, gore and sex-filled games. Something, too lazy to go back and see.

Captcha: hunky-dory, if only.

 

[WindKnight]

The phrase "Bros before Hos" has more than one meaning. Some deliberately derogatory, some a figure speech, certainly not always meaning that women in general are objects only to be used for sex. In this case, it was regarding Orkos betrayal of the Furies to Kratos. I'm not concerned about the alteration. If you're happy with it, that's fine. I'm concerned because of how badly Sessler misinterpreted the scene. How it was acceptable that Sessler didn't need to regard context or facts, just as long as he implied that it was sexist or misogynistic, then it's alright which it again, it wasn't.

Except, he didn't misinterpret it. He got the context and facts right. Watch the segment of the video where he talks about it. the cutscene happens right after the fight, the trophy pops. it sums up the moment not as you defeated an evil monster, and her son chooses to aid you because he believes in your cause, but you pimp slapped that ho and your bro was ok wid dat.

And again, the phrase reduces males to your brother, family, and females to a ho, sex. Use the phrase in front of your mother, your sister or women in general, and see how they react to it.

 

[Something Amyss]

They should not have to change a stupid joke because of butthurt people

But they did. End of story. Now, move along.

Time and energy is being wasted to avoid people who can't take a joke from getting upset. I don't want companies folding every time someone kicks up a fuss.

Time and energy you're now also wasting on something that's already done.

Ultimately, it was their choice.

What's so awful about being PC?

The fact that it's been predominantly a bogeyman term since its use in non-Russian culture. "Political Correctness" in america is about as apt as calling Obama a Nazi. If either were true, you wouldn't be free to say them.

Still, I take your point. I see no downside in the doctrine of "don't be a dick." Some people evidently got upset in a shitstorm I missed entirely. The company calmly and maturely changed something trivial to rectify things. A bigger shitstorm is kicked up by people who dislike whining but will whine about whiners. It puzzles me.

 

[Scrythe]

This is a complete outrage.

I mean, they made a prequel to God of War for cryin' out loud!

What, was there some great gaping loose end that was left untied after God of War 3? Did they really needed to push things further back? What great mystery in the straightforward story of Kratos was left unanswered?

It's like the developers are all completely out of ide-

Oh... that's not what we're talking about here, is it? Well shit.

 

[Gigano]

Against stupidity even the gods contend in vain.

Seems a godslayer isn't up for the challenge either. The scourge of offended calls for censorship absent thought of context marches on.

 

[TheDrunkNinja]

Honestly, in this instance I thin-

*looks at previous comments*

Whelp, that escalated quickly.

Seriously, you really can't talk about sexism issues here can you?

Take me with you! Take me with you!

Yeah, I stopped reading when I read a comment on the first page where one person was getting offended that another person was offended that another person was offended.

You people are ridiculous. Good day.

 

[jcfrommars9]

The phrase "Bros before Hos" has more than one meaning. Some deliberately derogatory, some a figure speech, certainly not always meaning that women in general are objects only to be used for sex. In this case, it was regarding Orkos betrayal of the Furies to Kratos. I'm not concerned about the alteration. If you're happy with it, that's fine. I'm concerned because of how badly Sessler misinterpreted the scene. How it was acceptable that Sessler didn't need to regard context or facts, just as long as he implied that it was sexist or misogynistic, then it's alright which it again, it wasn't.

Except, he didn't misinterpret it. He got the context and facts right. Watch the segment of the video where he talks about it. the cutscene happens right after the fight, the trophy pops. it sums up the moment not as you defeated an evil monster, and her son chooses to aid you because he believes in your cause, but you pimp slapped that ho and your bro was ok wid dat.

And again, the phrase reduces males to your brother, family, and females to a ho, sex. Use the phrase in front of your mother, your sister or women in general, and see how they react to it.

Sessler didn't get the context or the facts right. The cutscene is Orkos saving Kratos from the Furies and revealing his betrayal to them for the first time which Sessler didn't give context or description to at all. Orkos believes in Kratos' cause not because he beat up Alecto. In fact, it was only an illusion that Alecto laughed at Kratos for. There was a reason why Orkos had to save Kratos from the Furies, not the other way around. He decided to help him because he knew that the Furies helped Ares trick Kratos into killing his own wife and daughter. He didn't think it was right that they would capture and torture him mentally and physically for all eternity because he refused to serve Ares ever again. He also knew that they planned to use Kratos to help them overthrow Olympus. Orkos was told of this by an Oracle who was his girlfriend. When he tried warning Zeus, the Furies under Ares' request, captured him and blinded his girlfriend, made her prisoner in her own temple so Zeus would never find out. The phrase can reduce males to your brother, family, and females to a ho, sex. But that's not it's only interpretation. And I have used the term before with women but I've known women to do so as well. The same goes chicks before dicks. It's the context that tells me how it's meant to be offensive or just a figure of speech.

 

[anthony87]

Of all the bullshit things to make into a "controversy". People really need to learn to pick and choose their battles.

 

[lord.jeff]

I just watched the Sessler review and I got to say this is a massive over reaction, not by Sessler but by his critics. the way I see people reacting to his video you would think he spent the whole thing bashing the game for this one moment but no he spent like thirty seconds of a seven minute review to point it out and at the end of the video still says he enjoyed the game overall, and even if I think he's wrong, I probably wouldn't had even noticed it on my own and even with it pointed out I don't care, he made his argument and moved on. I think the biggest question of this story isn't is this trophy sexist or whether it should have been changed but why are so many up in arms about someone being offended?

 

[MarlonBlazed]

You people are still talking about this like a man made the joke? Has no one read my link on page one?