Cop Tasers Fleeing Handcuffed Girl, Head injuries put her in vegetative state

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LoneWanderer19

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Aris Khandr said:
I can't really feel too bad for her. It takes a special kind of stupid to run from the police AFTER you're already handcuffed. And it really isn't their job to run you down if you run. If I had the tool to stop you from running right now, rather than continuing to chase you for however long, I'd do it too.
So the real question is... was she brain dead before the tase?
 

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Shocking the number of people that think she deserved it. Shame on you - its that attitude that allows these things to happen unpunished.
I doubt the cop actually meant her harm, but he showed a remarkable degree of incompetence and laziness. Clearly, there is a trigger happy culture with tasers which comes from a lack of understanding just how dangerous the weapon really is. This was an easy job; she was around3 feet away from him - any cop worth his salt could've caught her.

Then again, I come from a culture where our police wield no weapons or firearms - and still manage to deal with armed thugs, scumbags and junkies. In a system that arms police, a weapon, even if it is 'only' a taser, should always be a lack resort, where other people or the officer's life is in danger. Seems like a simple principal to me!
 

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evilneko said:
Okay this makes it even worse for the cop: http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2012/february/383311/Exclusive:-Trooper-defends-tasing-new-video-shows-suspect-out-of-handcuffs

In the new video, Maudsley is seen in the back of Cole's cruiser after being arrested, managing to get her right hand free from handcuffs and eventually playing with her hair. At one point, it appears she tries to open the cruiser's door, but can't.

As Cole pulls into the Pinellas Park FHP Substation, Maudsley works to slip the handcuff back on, but it's too late.

"I took this off," Maudsley tells Cole.

"Put it back on," he told her.

Cole puts the handcuff back on Muadsley's wrist and escorts her into the substation.

Forty minutes later, video shows Maudsley running from the substation before she is tased with her hands cuffed in front of her and slams down to the parking lot ground.
This didn't happen at the scene of a crime, it happened at a police station! Y'know, the kind of place where there are other cops around to help out.

"I know that I can?t just jump on her. I?m three times her weight. If we go down, one, or both of us, is going to get hurt. The taser is the intermediate weapon of choice," he says.
Well, there is that, but....

The investigator asks Cole if he considered Maudsley falling and injuring herself if he tased her.

"No."
Idiot.
wow just wow.

first of all she would have to have switched her cuffs a second time while in the station since he said he didn't cuff her from the front. so she was removing her cuffs at will.

he said he didn't want to tackle her because of his weight as in HE MIGHT CRUSH HER. that doesn't make him an idiot he just didn't think that her falling on her own with out a fat man in top of her was going to cause brain damage. the fact that he was LOOKING OUT FOR HER SAFETY BY NOT CRUSHING HER WITH OVER DOUBLE HER BODY WEIGHT is pretty clear in this article it doesn't make him look worse.
I'm sorry you can't see how much of an idiot that cop apparently is. Hurr durr I'm gonna taser someone running at full tilt on an asphalt surface no way they'll get hurt derp derp!
 

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Both parties are responsible for their actions completely, of course. I imagine whatever desperate thoughts were going through the girl's mind at the time made running seem like the best option - though I could only speculate what they were. In her mind, perhaps death was preferable at the time to capture...a rather sad state of affairs no matter how you look at it(unless you're a callous, self-absorbed fool).

The officer didn't make the best call. The suspect is unarmed even if she did escape her handcuffs and has no means of escape but by foot. His training should have prepared him to weigh the possibility of what did occur. Worst case scenario, she escapes and they are forced to alert other officers to her presence or track her down again. Considering that she didn't appear particularly dangerous, that seems preferable to risking murder on capture (an officer's job is to apprehend criminals so they can be tried, not be judge, jury, executioner besides the rare cases when lives are in immediate danger and there's no other option). Besides, there are plenty of ways to restrain a person without risking permanent injury to them that police are trained in.

None of this speaks to the root problems which lead to this scenario though. Honestly, I don't see how any can be okay with this sort of tragedy happening regardless of who is "to blame". We are all as much responsible for sitting here, callously condemning people to death while maintaining our comfortable vacuous complacency, refusing to genuinely address the underlying problems. Many of the responses in this tread are indicators of just how deep the real problem goes...frankly, it makes me ill.
 

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Mortai Gravesend said:
Tazing seems like it may have been justified since she was running at the highway and had already proven reckless.
I agree if you run you are likely to get hurt and it is too bad about the brain damage if it is permanent she will continue to be a burden on society druggy morons at least have a chance to be productive one day.
 

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will1182 said:
Oh god, another one of these "HEARTLESS MONSTER COP MUNCHES ON BABY'S SKULL" threads.

People, people. She was resisting arrest, in which case the use of force is authorized
Actually no, it is their job to chase a running subject down. If they resist with force they are authorized to use force, but if they resist with escape they arent. If they resist with escape 'after' using force you can shoot them in the leg or something. There are some pretty strict rules on the subject and im not a policeman so I dont know more than some basics, but yea. No. You are not allowed to use a tazer on a running girl.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Maybe busting out the taser was unnecessary since, well, she was right there, but on the other hand she was running. So yeah. Unfortunate, but shit happens.

Plus, you have to give the cop credit for remembering he was a taser and not busting out the gun and shooting her in the chest 10 times. Thats an improvement over what we have seen recently.
This.

Yes, it's unfortunate she's in a bad state, and yes, the cop should've actually got off his arse to get her, but it could've been a lot worse considering that every thread about police brutality I've read on the Escapist in recent months has been where a cop has literally just shot someone dead for a trivial reason.

So yeah. Unfortunate, uneccessary, but still an improvement.
Not really much else I can say here.
 

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Nikolaz72 said:
you can shoot them in the leg or something.
Uh, No.
Myth. More Hollywood magic. First of all, do you know how dangerous a shot in the leg really is? Probably not, because folks in movies treat it like the most survivable wound. Two words: femoral artery. You can bleed out in seconds from just a knick. So, no, it's not "safer." There is no such thing as "shooting to wound." Every shot that hits can kill a person, so every shot should be treated as lethal.

But aside from that, there's a reason police are trained to shoot for "center mass." It is not because that's where the vital organs are, or because it's more lethal (though both of those are true). It is because it presents the largest target, more mass to absorb the energy of the bullet, and thus less chance of the bullet bypassing or going through the target to hit something else. A leg is a tiny, fast target, and it is incredibly difficult to hit even for a trained shooter--almost as hard to hit as the head.

It's safer for everyone to shoot center mass. Also, because there's more energy transferred into the body, that force goes toward stopping the target, which is our goal anyhow. If you're shooting, you aim for center mass.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.257862-Things-You-Might-Incorrectly-Believe-About-Guns?page=1