Yeah, we should totally kill those people! I don't know what everyone is up in arms about?Aris Khandr said:
Cop Tasers Fleeing Handcuffed Girl, Head injuries put her in vegetative state
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Yeah, but she didn't poke a bear, she "poked" a person, with a brain capable of free thought, who was being paid to uphold justice and protect the citizens of the United States. This person reacted to this "poke" by doing something they were expressely forbidden from doing, as the kind person above you so clearly points out.Trezu said:
You don't blame the bear in your scenario because the bear is an animal that cannot be expected to act in any way other than mauling potential threats. Humans aren't bears.
And what the girl actually did wrong in no way justifies the cop's actions, because a single officer making a decision on the fly is not comparable to a court of law, which is one of the few institutions (if not the only institution) officially allowed to dish out punishment based on action. It isn't the officer's job to judge the people they are bringing in (this paragraph is basically aimed at everyone saying she deserved it, it was just handy to tack it onto here).
she was at a highway patrol station.orangeban said:
He was filling out paperwork before transfering her to jail.
the 'sign the dotted line' stuff.
as such she was cuffed with her hands infront of her.
Suddenly, She bolted Out the door of the police station and tried to escape.
The highway patrol station is adjacent to a high volume Highway which, at that time of day, would be busy. it is clear her intent was to run across, as the cop probably wouldn't follow her into dangerious traffic.
so the only option the officer has at that point in time is to Stop her before she harms herself or Others. (at 70 mph, a 100 lbs girl leaves quiet a dent...)
And 'just grab her' isn't really an option.
Have you tried 'just grabbing' some one running from you?
let me tell you, it is Near Impossible.
Oh my, I don't think I've ever seen such callous disregard for human life. This... thing, masquerading as a woman, took mind-altering substances, got into a mobile two-ton steel box, and recklessly endangered the lives of countless innocent human beings.
Then, she actually physically damaged two HUMAN BEINGS, who she very well could have killed with her two-ton steel box.
After all that, she is finally, for the most part, subdued, (in cuffs, in the precinct) and still decides to make a run for it.
Tazered, falls and whacks her head. And you, you are going to say that this beast deserves our pity? How dare you.
A crazed horse that tramples its rider doesn't know any better. A dog with rabies is out of its mind. A human being who deliberately disregards reason, and all respect for the well-being of other humans who have done NOTHING to threaten her, takes some mind-altering substances, and deliberately threatens the lives of others, loses ALL RIGHTS attributed to humans.
When you willfully abandon that very faculty that defines us as human beings, our abstract thought and ability to reason, you abandon your humanity, and all the protective rights that status confers.
How dare you people cheapen the lives of all those this monster threatened with her reckless behavior. This is not the behavior of a human being. A human being wouldn't act this way. This is the way a monster behaves, and monsters get put down. I'm sorry she lived to be a drain on whatever insurance is supporting her, and to occupy space that a human being could be using to receive care. I'm also genuinely ashamed of the majority (but not all) of the responses on this thread.
Let me ask you something. If it had been your son or daughter that she had hit with her car, what would you think then? How about if it had been your mother? Would you still say the officer was wrong?
Are you only thinking it's a tragedy because the people she hit are alright? What if she had killed one of them? Or both? Pity the people who were wounded. Pity the people who were terrified for their lives. Pity the officer who will face a hailstorm of hate and malcontent. But do not pity the monster that made the conscious decision of its own free will, to abandon all reason and responsibility, and actively endanger the lives of other human beings.
If you claim to hold life in such high regard, then please don't cheapen it by saying that this creature deserved to live. Life is something you earn, you fight for it every day, and as a member of the human race, one does not decide, "I'm going to go out today and just endanger the lives of everyone around me." That is not the way a human being thinks. That is thought process of a monster.
Then, she actually physically damaged two HUMAN BEINGS, who she very well could have killed with her two-ton steel box.
After all that, she is finally, for the most part, subdued, (in cuffs, in the precinct) and still decides to make a run for it.
Tazered, falls and whacks her head. And you, you are going to say that this beast deserves our pity? How dare you.
A crazed horse that tramples its rider doesn't know any better. A dog with rabies is out of its mind. A human being who deliberately disregards reason, and all respect for the well-being of other humans who have done NOTHING to threaten her, takes some mind-altering substances, and deliberately threatens the lives of others, loses ALL RIGHTS attributed to humans.
When you willfully abandon that very faculty that defines us as human beings, our abstract thought and ability to reason, you abandon your humanity, and all the protective rights that status confers.
How dare you people cheapen the lives of all those this monster threatened with her reckless behavior. This is not the behavior of a human being. A human being wouldn't act this way. This is the way a monster behaves, and monsters get put down. I'm sorry she lived to be a drain on whatever insurance is supporting her, and to occupy space that a human being could be using to receive care. I'm also genuinely ashamed of the majority (but not all) of the responses on this thread.
Let me ask you something. If it had been your son or daughter that she had hit with her car, what would you think then? How about if it had been your mother? Would you still say the officer was wrong?
Are you only thinking it's a tragedy because the people she hit are alright? What if she had killed one of them? Or both? Pity the people who were wounded. Pity the people who were terrified for their lives. Pity the officer who will face a hailstorm of hate and malcontent. But do not pity the monster that made the conscious decision of its own free will, to abandon all reason and responsibility, and actively endanger the lives of other human beings.
If you claim to hold life in such high regard, then please don't cheapen it by saying that this creature deserved to live. Life is something you earn, you fight for it every day, and as a member of the human race, one does not decide, "I'm going to go out today and just endanger the lives of everyone around me." That is not the way a human being thinks. That is thought process of a monster.
Can I guess the rest of this story? It is either "and the cop received no punishment" or "cop was celebrated as hero for not killing her".
Too much stupid in the world, a lot seems to come from America but every country has it ... America just puts out more content so they get a lot of stick for it. Get a lot less if they realized guns = bad.
Should have chased her, not been a lazy fuck. If you agree with his decision don't be a cop, if you believe she should have been shot leave America, please.
Too much stupid in the world, a lot seems to come from America but every country has it ... America just puts out more content so they get a lot of stick for it. Get a lot less if they realized guns = bad.
Should have chased her, not been a lazy fuck. If you agree with his decision don't be a cop, if you believe she should have been shot leave America, please.
Should he be punished for this no, should he be made an example for his somewhat thoughtless action, Yes.
His fault? Really? So it's his fault she made a series of poor life choices and decided to do drugs then get behind the wheel of a car on drugs and with a suspended license, an action I may add which endangered countless innocent motorists. I guess it's also his fault she then slammed into a few random cars, once again while high and having no license? Then I guess it has to also be his fault she made the decision to try and run after she had been arrested and cuffed?reonhato said:
She could have prevented this from happening at one of any number of points in time but each time she had the opportunity to prevent things from spiraling into a worse situation SHE repeatedly chose to escalate the situation. The officer was just doing his job. Had she not made the choices she made he would have never entered into the scenario. I can pretty much guess that this officer wasn't out there hunting down drug addicts to tase for the hell of it.
The bottom line in all this is that if you are going to be a criminal and do drugs and endanger innocent people then you deserve every ounce of blame when you put yourself in a situation with the cops that turns ugly. What happened was/is a direct result of her actions and as such she has only her self to blame for how things turned out.
the entire policy is:Seneschal said:
-Except in extreme circumstances, Tasers cannot be used on passive subjects, people in handcuffs, children, the elderly, pregnant women, the disabled, someone driving or riding a bicycle or inside an elementary school.
A person trying to escape from custody with the intention of running across heavy traffic with fore-knowledge that said individual is capable of removing said cuffs at will, even to the point that said individual manipulated the cuffs so that they where infront of her during her attempted escape might be an 'extreme circumstance'...
That....is the single worst argument I have ever heard in a very long time. You compared "tazing someone who runs" to GENOCIDE. I don't even need an argument. You discredited yourself enough with that absolutely hilarious hyperbole.Blablahb said:
Is this a troll? I have to assume it is, but I'll give it credit and say it's a pretty good troll. Nice prose.Shumiry said:
If it isn't a troll, well, I already said something along these lines a few posts up, but basically, we don't pay cops to dish out punishment based on criminal's actions. That's what we have legal courts for. No matter what the girl did wrong, it wasn't the cop's place to punish her for those wrong-doings, and her crimes do not justify the cop's actions. This would be true if she were a serial killer, jaywalker or, indeed, hit-and-runner.
More judgmental than ignorant.Blablahb said:
The fact you said called him fat over 9 times on the first page, including a "fattie" comment which is literally making fun of him, is sad.
No, pathetic. Really.
You can prove your point without being a dick.
EDIT: Also just noticed "fat slob."
You're more then welcome to follow her into a busy 6 lane highway with cars traveling in excess of 60 mph which is acctually 20 feet to the left of the dash screen (the direction she was running).omega 616 said:
Because you know, a Highway Patrol Substation would kinda be... next to the Highway.
But by all means... Chase her.
because clearly endangering the lives of that individual, yourself, and countless innocents that are mearly driving by is the better option then using a TASER...
Eh, she ran from the police. It's her fault. Most officers are allowed to use a tazer in this kind of situation- well, they were. An incident like this happened in Florida or something, where a fleeing, unarmed suspect was tazered while on top of a 20 foot fence. He was attempting to escape, got hit, and fell. The law there allowed an officer to use any amount of force to stop a fleeing criminal. Situations like that, and this I suppose, caused things like that particular law to be called into question.
Both the officer and the suspect were in the wrong here.
He shouldn't have tazed her, knowing that it makes it difficult to control the body during a fall over a hard surface.
She shouldn't have ran.
What he should have done is make a turning tackle, which would have avoided his defense of being "too heavy" to possibly hurt her in the act. But, what's done is done. She should get enough money to pay for the medical bills so the family doesn't have to put up with it. The officer should be made to rather leave his position or go back through training.
Good luck to them both.
He shouldn't have tazed her, knowing that it makes it difficult to control the body during a fall over a hard surface.
She shouldn't have ran.
What he should have done is make a turning tackle, which would have avoided his defense of being "too heavy" to possibly hurt her in the act. But, what's done is done. She should get enough money to pay for the medical bills so the family doesn't have to put up with it. The officer should be made to rather leave his position or go back through training.
Good luck to them both.
I know this doesn't apply to everything but "if she can do it, he can".Pyro Paul said:
Ever watched a movie? The good guy never gets hit by a car! (unless it's to make the film reach 90 minutes).
I have to ask "clearly endangering the lives of that individual, yourself, and countless innocents that are mearly driving". How would somebody driving a car, who hit a person lose there lives? I saw a kid get knocked over once, the driver (although panicked) was fine.
The individual endangered herself, not much can be done about that. As stated just above, the driver would have been fine. The cop is paid the put his life on the line (as they always say in those stupid American tv shows like "police wildest car chases 5").
And what is the issue here? Tasers are for zapping fleeing suspects. She shouldn't run away from police, especially after being arrested already.