Could America be invaded?

[sabotstarr]

exactly, they would be blown to pieces once NORAD saw the first missile/bomber is seen taking off. Then the most powerful army/navy/air force would hit you with nukes, bombs, ICBMs, and anything else we could find. Then your missiles/planes would be shot down and your nation would be said crater. Fox would then declare the current president a god. THE END.
Hypothetically

Not necessarily. We have nuclear weapons under our control in Europe. It's not like a global superpower keeps all their stuff at home.

whose we...? because i believe that NORAD is under the control of the US government, therefore making me talk in favor of the US in that argument.

 

[Zombie Badger]

it is possible to detonate a nuclear device with a catalyst, for example a H-bomb can detonate a nuclear device.

also,unless you have anything of value to say then please stop trying to insult me with petty replies

No it isn't. A H bomb can DESTROY a nuclear warhead, but it certainly won't detonate it.

This is why Cold War nuke plans revolved around hitting silos with megaton warheads, to destroy the surrounding area, rather than kilton warheads to set off the nukes inside. Also, Darkblader (possibly a bad pun on Darth Vader), I was pointing out that the nukes would not be armed until they were in the air, not just insulting you with 'petty replies'.

 

[Kazturkey]

The US is too geographically isolated for standard military assault. An enemy army would have to attack from one (or more) of four vectors...Canada, Mexico, Pacific Coast, Atlantic Coast.

Given our relatively amicable trade and political relations (and binding treaties) with both Canada and Mexico an attack from these vectors is unlikely at best. Mexico and Canada would also be reluctant to support a guerrilla war based from their countries, as the US (as usual) would crack down on the Mexican and Canadian governments because they are more visible targets than hidden insurgents.

This leaves amphibious and air assaults on our coasts. Our spy satellite network, Coast Guard, and Naval patrols would detect the movement of the massive number of transports required for any significant landing. An enemy would have to employ stealth submarine transports to get their boots on the ground for a preliminary assault.

A significant aerial assault would require multiple aircraft carriers, which would be extremely hard if not impossible to stealth. Additionally the airplanes would also need stealth technology to avoid anti-aircraft measures. The aerial assault plan would have to cripple most (preferably all) communications, command and control, and military radar emplacements on the coastline. Secondary targets would be civilian radar and communications points.

If communications could not be suppressed, the invader would be very quickly facing the combined firepower of all NATO's forces. The weight of this military retribution would crush the invasion within 30-60 days at best. US citizens would hunt down enemy soldiers personally, and every gun nut in America would jump in their SUV's and raise some hell for the enemy.

Bottom line...the US is not vulnerable to standard military invasion. It would require a highly stealthy, highly organized, and rapid strike from a technologically superior enemy. We are vulnerable to nuclear assault to some extent...but nuclear weapons don't capture territory, and their use would doom the offending party (or the nation they come from) to extreme sanctions and US occupation for a long time.

NATO will take some time to gather the necessary forces for the counter assault by which point enough of the infrastructure has been disabled that it will take years for the US to recover. They can blow up lots of stuff if they target the correct areas.

Also.. that mexican is a spy!

 

[Darkblader01]

it is possible to detonate a nuclear device with a catalyst, for example a H-bomb can detonate a nuclear device.

also,unless you have anything of value to say then please stop trying to insult me with petty replies

No it isn't. A H bomb can DESTROY a nuclear warhead, but it certainly won't detonate it.

During the tests at bikini atoll a H-Bomb was dropped on three nuclear warheads, the resulting explosive reaction caused what was known as the second sun, this explosion could be seen from islands that were supposed to be safe from the radioactive fallout, islanders woke up to a second sun, then it began snowing in summer, all who touched the snow died from radiation poisoning

and Zombie Badger, I was talking about Kazturky saying is was extremely fail because i don't spend hours studying nuclear weapons

 

[Zombie Badger]

That is a noble idea, but I believe that my country would be a better place if it were ruled by a benign dictatorship. Emphasis on BENIGN. This would get rid of the votes of religious nutjobs, as well as the votes of other certain people.

It very well could be "better." But would still fight tooth and nail against such oppressive government. Benign or not, any government with the power to give you everything you want has the power to take it away. Even assuming they never do take it away, I still wouldn't want to live under such a rule.

And after you have defeated the government, what would you do? Most revolutions have only led to brutal dictatorships, even the ones that start off offering a democratic government. I admire your ideals, though I can't help but spot flaws.

Heh, I can't imagine I would defeat such a government. But, if I did, I'd use the original Constitution of the United States of America as a base for government and add in term limits and all sorts of restrictions on the government. Specifically inter-state commerce laws that put the power in the hands of the people, not the federal government.

A good plan. As long as you could keep the government adhering to the constitution, that could work. You many want to remove a few amendments though. I would recommend the 2nd and the 22nd Amendments.

 

[Kazturkey]

it is possible to detonate a nuclear device with a catalyst, for example a H-bomb can detonate a nuclear device.

also,unless you have anything of value to say then please stop trying to insult me with petty replies

No it isn't. A H bomb can DESTROY a nuclear warhead, but it certainly won't detonate it.

During the tests at bikini atoll a H-Bomb was dropped on three nuclear warheads, the resulting explosive reaction caused what was known as the second sun, this explosion could be seen from islands that were supposed to be safe from the radioactive fallout, islanders woke up to a second sun, then it began snowing in summer, all who touched the snow died from radiation poisoning

Reference please? Also protip - Radioactive fallout doesn't look anything like snow, and it doesn't always (Or even the vast majority of the time) kill people.

 

[Lazier Than Thou]

That is a noble idea, but I believe that my country would be a better place if it were ruled by a benign dictatorship. Emphasis on BENIGN. This would get rid of the votes of religious nutjobs, as well as the votes of other certain people.

It very well could be "better." But would still fight tooth and nail against such oppressive government. Benign or not, any government with the power to give you everything you want has the power to take it away. Even assuming they never do take it away, I still wouldn't want to live under such a rule.

And after you have defeated the government, what would you do? Most revolutions have only led to brutal dictatorships, even the ones that start off offering a democratic government. I admire your ideals, though I can't help but spot flaws.

Heh, I can't imagine I would defeat such a government. But, if I did, I'd use the original Constitution of the United States of America as a base for government and add in term limits and all sorts of restrictions on the government. Specifically inter-state commerce laws that put the power in the hands of the people, not the federal government.

A good plan. As long as you could keep the government adhering to the constitution, that could work. You many want to remove a few amendments though. I would recommend the 2nd and the 22nd Amendments.

I can't say I know much about the 22nd, but there's no way I'd take away the 2nd. I simply would not want to ask the people to give up the power to overthrow any government that gets out of hand. That's one of Americas biggest checks in the balance of power.

Edit:

Why would I want to get rid of the 22nd Amendment? I WANT term limits.

 

[Danny Ocean]

If any country was to come attack us, it would be almost impossible. You couldnt nuke us because we would launch nukes back until we were oblierated.

See, now, I don't think you would. It's just such a pointless thing to do. You've been nuked first, presumably enough to completely cripple you beyond any hope of rebuilding without considerable assistance, and your options are limited.
Oh! I know! Let's nuke them back!
It's just retaliation for the point of it, eye-for-an-eye and such. I like to think that the people in control of such weapons have moved beyond that.

A seaborn attack would be fullish because we would just blow the shit outta them because we would easily fire on the ships before their turrets came into range.

You think ships still use turrets? Pff. It's all missiles now!

Now the best i can see, is an airborne attack.

You mean like paratroopers, right?

If say any asian country *cough* decided to invade a simple lets fly to the closest border (alaska) and land they could march into our country VIA Canadia land, and then pose a new threat from a second front, and if they had a large enough military, open a third offensive into the Eastern coast of America.

1.Why do an air attack for that when you can just sail across?
2.How damn big do you think an army can get?! If you combine the Canadian border, East, and West coasts, you have a Front that stretches millions of miles. Nah, that's just not happening.

Yeah staunch patriotism would probably kick ass for a while, the reality is, no hillbilly with his daddys 12 gauge is as and efficent killing machine as a trained soldier ready to eat his own guts and ask for seconds.

This, however, is true.

You're all also forgetting how spread out the US military is at the moment, all the heavy hardware and best troops are several days away at least!

 

[historybuff]

exactly, they would be blown to pieces once NORAD saw the first missile/bomber is seen taking off. Then the most powerful army/navy/air force would hit you with nukes, bombs, ICBMs, and anything else we could find. Then your missiles/planes would be shot down and your nation would be said crater. Fox would then declare the current president a god. THE END.
Hypothetically

Not necessarily. We have nuclear weapons under our control in Europe. It's not like a global superpower keeps all their stuff at home.

whose we...? because i believe that NORAD is under the control of the US government, therefore making me talk in favor of the US in that argument.

Haha, sorry about that--read too fast. My brain went elsewhere for a moment.

 

[sabotstarr]

exactly, they would be blown to pieces once NORAD saw the first missile/bomber is seen taking off. Then the most powerful army/navy/air force would hit you with nukes, bombs, ICBMs, and anything else we could find. Then your missiles/planes would be shot down and your nation would be said crater. Fox would then declare the current president a god. THE END.
Hypothetically

Not necessarily. We have nuclear weapons under our control in Europe. It's not like a global superpower keeps all their stuff at home.

whose we...? because i believe that NORAD is under the control of the US government, therefore making me talk in favor of the US in that argument.

Haha, sorry about that--read too fast. My brain went elsewhere for a moment.

Hahahahah. great. ya i was very confused of you and myself for a moment. but yes also our European weapons would hit everything that everything else didn't

 

[freakonaleash]

I also think that Europeans do not understand the sheer amount of people and scope of the U.S....and the people that live here would go friggin nuts and kill without thought.

 

[Zombie Badger]

A good plan. As long as you could keep the government adhering to the constitution, that could work. You many want to remove a few amendments though. I would recommend the 2nd and the 22nd Amendments.

I can't say I know much about the 22nd, but there's no way I'd take away the 2nd. I simply would not want to ask the people to give up the power to overthrow any government that gets out of hand. That's one of Americas biggest checks in the balance of power.

Edit:

Why would I want to get rid of the 22nd Amendment? I WANT term limits.

The problem would be striking the fine balance between allowing people guns as a matter of personal freedom and trying to limit the number of people murdered with guns. Also, just out of curiosity, what would be your stance on censorship?

 

[Darkblader01]

it is possible to detonate a nuclear device with a catalyst, for example a H-bomb can detonate a nuclear device.

also,unless you have anything of value to say then please stop trying to insult me with petty replies

No it isn't. A H bomb can DESTROY a nuclear warhead, but it certainly won't detonate it.

During the tests at bikini atoll a H-Bomb was dropped on three nuclear warheads, the resulting explosive reaction caused what was known as the second sun, this explosion could be seen from islands that were supposed to be safe from the radioactive fallout, islanders woke up to a second sun, then it began snowing in summer, all who touched the snow died from radiation poisoning

Reference please? Also protip - Radioactive fallout doesn't look anything like snow, and it doesn't always (Or even the vast majority of the time) kill people.

Radioactive fallout can be in anything, from a piece of dust to a human being, the snow was caused by the H-Bomb and the three nuclear warheads it was dropped on, the explosion was similar to the impact event that destroyed the dinosaurs in that it caused a miniture ICE AGE around the surrounding area

 

[Lazier Than Thou]

A good plan. As long as you could keep the government adhering to the constitution, that could work. You many want to remove a few amendments though. I would recommend the 2nd and the 22nd Amendments.

I can't say I know much about the 22nd, but there's no way I'd take away the 2nd. I simply would not want to ask the people to give up the power to overthrow any government that gets out of hand. That's one of Americas biggest checks in the balance of power.

Edit:

Why would I want to get rid of the 22nd Amendment? I WANT term limits.

The problem would be striking the fine balance between allowing people guns as a matter of personal freedom and trying to limit the number of people murdered with guns. Also, just out of curiosity, what would be your stance on censorship?

It has been my experience that the better armed the public is, the fewer gun related crimes actually happen. In fact, there are places around the country that require people to own guns and their crime rates plummeted. I wish I could come up with an article about it, but I heard about it a long time ago and can't remember the names of the cities. Think about it, are you more likely to rob a store when you know the clerk behind the counter has a gun? Or are you gonna go somewhere where the population isn't so armed? People will still kill people, even if they don't have guns.

My beliefs on censorship are that it shouldn't happen. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. The only place I think it's reasonable to stop people from saying things is in the area of "shouting fire in a crowded room." Only when it can clearly result in physical harm.

 

[historybuff]

exactly, they would be blown to pieces once NORAD saw the first missile/bomber is seen taking off. Then the most powerful army/navy/air force would hit you with nukes, bombs, ICBMs, and anything else we could find. Then your missiles/planes would be shot down and your nation would be said crater. Fox would then declare the current president a god. THE END.
Hypothetically

Not necessarily. We have nuclear weapons under our control in Europe. It's not like a global superpower keeps all their stuff at home.

whose we...? because i believe that NORAD is under the control of the US government, therefore making me talk in favor of the US in that argument.

Haha, sorry about that--read too fast. My brain went elsewhere for a moment.

Hahahahah. great. ya i was very confused of you and myself for a moment. but yes also our European weapons would hit everything that everything else didn't

Hahahaha! I'll just say I was testing you. You passed! Woo! \o/

 

[LongAndShort]

Take away America's nuclear arsenal (like everyone seems to be doing with these bloody missile shields) and America is screwed. Its army is big, but it is cumbersome and over-reliant on technology. As for any resisting Americans, well most nations rules of engagement would be set up that anybody who is armed could be killed. They'd become easy targets for even a moderately trained army. The American military isn't as great as people seem to think it is. In a war game between the USNAF and USAF and India, the less well armed Indians won. And its soldiers cannot match the caliber of most European armies, particularly Britain, France and Germany. Even Russia is no longer the poorly trained conscripted peasants of the second world war but an experienced, relatively well trained and very well equipped war-machine. In a conventional war against Russia, the USA has always known it would lose without resorting to nuclear, chemical or biological weapons.

The USA relies upon its nuclear arsenal for protection. Without it, it is just as vulnerable as any other nation. It is not the superpower it was even twenty years ago.

 

[Kazturkey]

it is possible to detonate a nuclear device with a catalyst, for example a H-bomb can detonate a nuclear device.

also,unless you have anything of value to say then please stop trying to insult me with petty replies

No it isn't. A H bomb can DESTROY a nuclear warhead, but it certainly won't detonate it.

During the tests at bikini atoll a H-Bomb was dropped on three nuclear warheads, the resulting explosive reaction caused what was known as the second sun, this explosion could be seen from islands that were supposed to be safe from the radioactive fallout, islanders woke up to a second sun, then it began snowing in summer, all who touched the snow died from radiation poisoning

Reference please? Also protip - Radioactive fallout doesn't look anything like snow, and it doesn't always (Or even the vast majority of the time) kill people.

Radioactive fallout can be in anything, from a piece of dust to a human being, the snow was caused by the H-Bomb and the three nuclear warheads it was dropped on, the explosion was similar to the impact event that destroyed the dinosaurs in that it caused a miniture ICE AGE around the surrounding area

Miniature ice age? You really know nothing about nuclear weapons. I'm calling bullshit on this until I see a reference. (Oh, and I checked the wiki, this phrase is not on there and I can find no reference to a test on Bikini atoll where they dropped a nuke on three other nukes.)

 

[freakonaleash]

Oh boy would that be a treat. I'd grab my 12 Gauge, 2 glocks, and my AR-15 and go kill some badly trained troops.

I lol'd

 

[13lackfriday]

I certainly hope so.
America hasn't had the experience of having a war fought on its own soil, and therefore seems to have forgotten the true cost of waging one (to the local civilian populace and infrastructure).

Plus, how fucking awesome would it be to truly be fighting for your country and its freedom for the first time in centuries?
An American resistance fighter [http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8537/motivator545ef3c01b967e.jpg] is a thing to be feared indeed...anyone seen Red Dawn?

Just nuke them. Easy and cheap.

Well yea, but we shoot back.

Yay, nuclear armageddon.

Also, hence we have Fallout.

 

[sabotstarr]

Haha, sorry about that--read too fast. My brain went elsewhere for a moment.

Hahahahah. great. ya i was very confused of you and myself for a moment. but yes also our European weapons would hit everything that everything else didn't

Hahahaha! I'll just say I was testing you. You passed! Woo! \o/[/quote]
Ya. cool. well now we can plot against our attackers....*plots evil schemes*