Could Square Enix go 360 exclusive?

[oregondonor]

Considering they can't leave Sony this is highly unlikely.

How can they NOT leave Sony?

 

[oregondonor]

To those saying that PS3 owners make up the majority of the SE fan base, that could change in the near future. Like I said, 360 owners very clearly make up a sizable portion, though not the majority, of FFXIII owners. In future games, like, say, FFXV, that could end up changing.

 

[SimuLord]

The Japanese market relies heavily on Japanese-made products, which means SE will count on Sony's consoles in Japan. The 360 just doesn't have the installed base in the Land of the Rising Sun.

 

[LeonLethality]

Considering they can't leave Sony this is highly unlikely.

How can they NOT leave Sony?

Contract, when square moved Final Fantasy to the PS1 they signed a contract to continue putting every (later changed to just main series) titles on Playstation brand (obviously nulled if sony stopped making consoles) but for the time being the main series has to be on the playstation.

 

[Nomanslander]

To those saying that PS3 owners make up the majority of the SE fan base, that could change in the near future. Like I said, 360 owners very clearly make up a sizable portion, though not the majority, of FFXIII owners. In future games, like, say, FFXV, that could end up changing.

Well, since we're playing around with extreme hypothetical questions, I think flying cars could become realized by the year 2015, I mean the technology actually is there.


Well, ok...

maybe not in 2015, but hopefully in our life time, kinda disappointing since we were promised flying cars in Back to the Future 2...=(

 

[Infinatex]

No way, FF series is HUGE in Japan, and Japan is pretty much a country where 360 is the number of PS3's sold a minute. Also Square wouldn't get the support from Microsoft that they got from Sony. 360 owners should be happy they got the game at all!

 

[Pingieking]

To those saying that PS3 owners make up the majority of the SE fan base, that could change in the near future. Like I said, 360 owners very clearly make up a sizable portion, though not the majority, of FFXIII owners. In future games, like, say, FFXV, that could end up changing.

Well, since we're playing around with extreme hypothetical questions, I think flying cars could become realized by the year 2015, I mean the technology actually is there.


Well, ok...

maybe not in 2015, but hopefully in our life time, kinda disappointing since we were promised flying cars in Back to the Future 2...=(

Flying car tech exist? Why was I not informed of this?

OT: Extremely unlikely. It makes no economic sense to do so, and even less when considering that Sqeenix has a lot of Japanese-oriented games, which would basically not sell in Japan if they went X360 exclusive. They need about 25~30% attachment rate on Japanese PS3s to get 1 million sales, but even with 100% attachment on the X360 they can't get to the 1 million mark in Japan.

 

[soapyshooter]

Half of SE's market is Japan. What do you think they have? Japanese Sony PS3s or Xbox 360s?

 

[omega 616]

I sense 360fan wishful thinking here....0o

I was thinking the same thing.

On topic. You said it yourself, 40% 360 and 60% ps3. It makes no financial sense to lose just over half your costumers (obviously ignoring the fact some people might have two consoles).

It seems one of the 360 fanboy arguments is "atleast 360 has good exclusives"(such a weak argument now), now your wishing to have more ... learn to share.

 

[oregondonor]

I sense 360fan wishful thinking here....0o

I was thinking the same thing.

On topic. You said it yourself, 40% 360 and 60% ps3. It makes no financial sense to lose just over half your costumers (obviously ignoring the fact some people might have two consoles).

It seems one of the 360 fanboy arguments is "atleast 360 has good exclusives"(such a weak argument now), now your wishing to have more ... learn to share.

Right, it's 40-60 right now, which is MUCH closer to 50-50 than anyone could have imagined. A little more concentrated advertising from MS and it could have easily been 50-50. Hell, as time goes on, the balance could very well switch in favor of the 360, at least with respect to FFXIII.

If MS can do all this with money, why can't they do it even more with future games? Pay for more advertising, more bundles, etc. Hell, if the ownership of XIII shifts in favor of the 360, they could easily say to SE "See? It's more popular on the 360 here in America." They could then pay SE to, if not make games 360 exclusive, at least develop them first on 360 and then port them to PS3.

 

[misfit119]

Financially, that makes zero sense.
Ignore an established fan-base (who is also your majority) to go exclusive to a newfound fan base.

They've done it before and without the newfound, or established, fanbase when they jumped to Sony consoles. They had no idea if the PS would even sell. The only difference is that it was two Japanese companies... which makes a world of difference.

It seems one of the 360 fanboy arguments is "atleast 360 has good exclusives"(such a weak argument now), now your wishing to have more ... learn to share.

How is it a weak argument when there are still stellar titles coming out for the 360? Each console has its own super awesome exclusives and it just so happens that, as of this moment, the 360 has more of them. I love me my PS3 but lets not let fanboyism enter the conversation if you're going to call someone else a fanboy. Take the higher ground and kick them when they're being hopeful.

As far as the other stuff goes no, I doubt Squeenix would ever do that. If anything they're more likely to go fully PS3 exclusive. Let's not forget that the only reason they're on Sony consoles is because they ditched Nintendo to make more cinematic games. I doubt they'd go to the weaker console.

Also if you look at the other, non-FFXIII, games they've released on the consoles they give the 360 the crappy beta versions while releasing the real version on other consoles (Last Remnant and Star Ocean come to mind). They have no respect for the console or the gamers who play on it.

Lastly they're not really too fond of American or European gamers or the companies. Just take a look at all of the versions of games they've released in Japan that never see an international release. I highly doubt they'd pull stuff like this on a console that's not even popular in Japan.

Don't count on seeing Mass Effect on the Sony consoles. Bioware seems to have a huge aversion to developing on any console that's even remotely difficult and Sony programs their stuff to be pretty hard to work with. I'm actually surprised that PS3 owners even got Dragon Age since they sure as hell didn't show that version of the game at E3 when they showed it on the PC and 360. Looking at their development history I'd say it's likely they stay on the 360 and PC for the majority of their work as it seems to be how the company works.

 

[OptimalPrime]

I sense 360fan wishful thinking here....0o

I was thinking the same thing.

On topic. You said it yourself, 40% 360 and 60% ps3. It makes no financial sense to lose just over half your costumers (obviously ignoring the fact some people might have two consoles).

It seems one of the 360 fanboy arguments is "atleast 360 has good exclusives"(such a weak argument now), now your wishing to have more ... learn to share.

Right, it's 40-60 right now, which is MUCH closer to 50-50 than anyone could have imagined. A little more concentrated advertising from MS and it could have easily been 50-50. Hell, as time goes on, the balance could very well switch in favor of the 360, at least with respect to FFXIII.

If MS can do all this with money, why can't they do it even more with future games? Pay for more advertising, more bundles, etc. Hell, if the ownership of XIII shifts in favor of the 360, they could easily say to SE "See? It's more popular on the 360 here in America." They could then pay SE to, if not make games 360 exclusive, at least develop them first on 360 and then port them to PS3.

WOW, stop being a fanboy, this is such a ridiculous argument. Final Fantasy will NEVER! be a 360 exlusive or be ported to PS3 after its been on the 360. Do you even know what type of gamers play final fantasy? The fans of the series are on the PS3, the people who buy it for the 360 are the casual crowd that pick it up to see what the hype is about. If SE was gonna go exclusive, they wouldn't release Just Cause 2 on the ps3

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/99098-Final-Fantasy-Fans-Boo-Xbox-360-at-London-Event

your argument is moot

EDIT: i own a 360 and not even a fanboy, both consoles are excellent. the 360 has 200 more games than PS3 but they both have around a 110 exclusives each. Fanboys are fucking idiots.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

They could, but why would they?

 

[omega 616]

How is it a weak argument when there are still stellar titles coming out for the 360? Each console has its own super awesome exclusives and it just so happens that, as of this moment, the 360 has more of them. I love me my PS3 but lets not let fanboyism enter the conversation if you're going to call someone else a fanboy. Take the higher ground and kick them when they're being hopeful.

It's a weaker argument 'cos now the ps3 has some generally popular titles, I actually preferred PS3's exclusives at launch compared to 360's.

How many times is this argument going to be had? I think the PS3 is better and others adore the 360, so what?

Whose being hopeful?

Right, it's 40-60 right now, which is MUCH closer to 50-50 than anyone could have imagined. A little more concentrated advertising from MS and it could have easily been 50-50. Hell, as time goes on, the balance could very well switch in favor of the 360, at least with respect to FFXIII.

If MS can do all this with money, why can't they do it even more with future games? Pay for more advertising, more bundles, etc. Hell, if the ownership of XIII shifts in favor of the 360, they could easily say to SE "See? It's more popular on the 360 here in America." They could then pay SE to, if not make games 360 exclusive, at least develop them first on 360 and then port them to PS3.

No, it couldn't have been 50 - 50, everybody who owns a 360 knows about FF 13 they either bought it or they didn't, advertising doesn't guarantee sales.

Do you think MS has unlimited money? It would cost far too much to buy 360 exclusivity and since only 40% of sales are on the 360 they would lose a massive amount of cash.

I am no expert on FF games but aren't pretty much all FF games on some sort of playstation? With the greater percentage of FF 13 games being bought on PS3, exclusivity is more likely to go to sony.

I still think your hoping for some more exclusives, which is just about the only thing going for 360 in my eyes. I hear ALOT of complaints about the community that you pay for, (it may be happening less but) RROD happens alot more than the YLOD, I have also heard it has slightly worse hardware not counting the lack of bluray.

Thats not me being a fanboy, it's me being black and white.

 

[oregondonor]

How is it a weak argument when there are still stellar titles coming out for the 360? Each console has its own super awesome exclusives and it just so happens that, as of this moment, the 360 has more of them. I love me my PS3 but lets not let fanboyism enter the conversation if you're going to call someone else a fanboy. Take the higher ground and kick them when they're being hopeful.

It's a weaker argument 'cos now the ps3 has some generally popular titles, I actually preferred PS3's exclusives at launch compared to 360's.

How many times is this argument going to be had? I think the PS3 is better and others adore the 360, so what?

Whose being hopeful?

Right, it's 40-60 right now, which is MUCH closer to 50-50 than anyone could have imagined. A little more concentrated advertising from MS and it could have easily been 50-50. Hell, as time goes on, the balance could very well switch in favor of the 360, at least with respect to FFXIII.

If MS can do all this with money, why can't they do it even more with future games? Pay for more advertising, more bundles, etc. Hell, if the ownership of XIII shifts in favor of the 360, they could easily say to SE "See? It's more popular on the 360 here in America." They could then pay SE to, if not make games 360 exclusive, at least develop them first on 360 and then port them to PS3.

No, it couldn't have been 50 - 50, everybody who owns a 360 knows about FF 13 they either bought it or they didn't, advertising doesn't guarantee sales.

Do you think MS has unlimited money? It would cost far too much to buy 360 exclusivity and since only 40% of sales are on the 360 they would lose a massive amount of cash.

I am no expert on FF games but aren't pretty much all FF games on some sort of playstation? With the greater percentage of FF 13 games being bought on PS3, exclusivity is more likely to go to sony.

I still think your hoping for some more exclusives, which is just about the only thing going for 360 in my eyes. I hear ALOT of complaints about the community that you pay for, (it may be happening less but) RROD happens alot more than the YLOD, I have also heard it has slightly worse hardware not counting the lack of bluray.

Thats not me being a fanboy, it's me being black and white.

Well, in that case, why is it unreasonable to at least expect XV to be 360 exclusive?

 

[Tasachan]

I think the only reason Square started developing for one console exclusively in the first place was because the console they chose was the most powerful of the lot. The SNES had the upper hand in the 16/32-bit era, so they got FFII-III. The PSOne was miles ahead of the N64, so it got FFVII-IX. The PS2 beat out both the Gamecube and the Xbox (though not by much), so it got FFX-XII.

Now we've reached the point where the difference in power is negligible enough that Square can publish on both. It isn't about brand loyalty, or anything as stupid as that; it's about being able to deliver the product. Microsoft and Sony both have the hardware to do it, so Square will probably continue to go with both.

Honestly, why would they choose a smaller audience over a larger one?

That pretty much sums it up.

Though, when FFX was being made/released... I don't think XBox was out yet. 360 DID eventually get a release of FFXI though, and I think it was on the computer as well. Though, it doesn't really count as a true FF for lots of people, since it was a MMORPG.

 

[squid5580]

I sense 360fan wishful thinking here....0o

I was thinking the same thing.

On topic. You said it yourself, 40% 360 and 60% ps3. It makes no financial sense to lose just over half your costumers (obviously ignoring the fact some people might have two consoles).

It seems one of the 360 fanboy arguments is "atleast 360 has good exclusives"(such a weak argument now), now your wishing to have more ... learn to share.

Right, it's 40-60 right now, which is MUCH closer to 50-50 than anyone could have imagined. A little more concentrated advertising from MS and it could have easily been 50-50. Hell, as time goes on, the balance could very well switch in favor of the 360, at least with respect to FFXIII.

If MS can do all this with money, why can't they do it even more with future games? Pay for more advertising, more bundles, etc. Hell, if the ownership of XIII shifts in favor of the 360, they could easily say to SE "See? It's more popular on the 360 here in America." They could then pay SE to, if not make games 360 exclusive, at least develop them first on 360 and then port them to PS3.

WOW, stop being a fanboy, this is such a ridiculous argument. Final Fantasy will NEVER! be a 360 exlusive or be ported to PS3 after its been on the 360. Do you even know what type of gamers play final fantasy? The fans of the series are on the PS3, the people who buy it for the 360 are the casual crowd that pick it up to see what the hype is about. If SE was gonna go exclusive, they wouldn't release Just Cause 2 on the ps3

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/99098-Final-Fantasy-Fans-Boo-Xbox-360-at-London-Event

your argument is moot

EDIT: i own a 360 and not even a fanboy, both consoles are excellent. the 360 has 200 more games than PS3 but they both have around a 110 exclusives each. Fanboys are fucking idiots.

No you aren't a fanboy. You are a gamerracist. Care to stereotype any 360 owners with other things? Ooops I guess you weren't expecting a 360 owner to have the intelligence to read what you actually posted huh?

 

[Nomanslander]

Well, in that case, why is it unreasonable to at least expect XV to be 360 exclusive?

You know, they have a name for people that keep pushing unpopular topics on people to get a reaction.

It's like if I was to jump on Xbox Live and start talking about how Epic has the freedom to release the next Gears game on the PS3 if they want to....and keep arguing about it since that's also a reasonable possibility....lol

Anyways, what are those people usually called again....ummmm??

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