Could the United States be invaded?

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Darkrain11

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Well of course if the whole damn world ganged up on one country it would be invaded. But the most difficult part would be holding the captured territory. C'mon seriously, Almost every damn person in the U.S. owns a gun or knows how to use a gun or knows where to get guns or knows how to make guns out of shoe string and bubble gum, so, not only would the invaders have to deal with our military but almost every U.S. citizen would be an insurgent making the holding of captured territory a hell on Earth.
 

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chessdragon said:
It will happen(eventualy) and has happened in the USA's past but it seems like it would only be if the USA pissed of Russia and China to the point were they would not worry about NATO. (Yes america still has friends)
Ummm by friends you mean Britian, Australia etc for all those that are part of the Commonwealth, maybe. But for example if the yanks invaded Canada (I know this is off topic but this is just an example) Britian and the rest of the Commonwealth will defend the Canadians against America. Btw America does have 'friends' per say, more like countires that are pretending to like America... biding our time to rise *insert eveil laugh*. Sorry something got stuck in my throat.
 

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sooperman said:
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sooperman said:
Methinks that this thread has derailed, because now we are making jokes toward eachother's coutries.

For example: Evil Jak, we do, in fact, find your stabs funny, but let's try to reduce them, like, a lot.

The following is simply to end a trend on this thread; viewer discresion is advised. I don't mean to start a war, Jak, but did you ever sit down and speak with Bush? Did you ever even hear one of his speeches on TV? You claim he was unintelligent, but how would you know?

But on topic: I think we have decided that YES the U.S. can be invaded, but NO it would not be worth it to occupy.
Yes, actually yes. Do you think that because I live in Britain we don't get American things on TV? We see speeches made by Bush all the time, its bloody hilarious. XD

And yes, YES! He is clearly an idiot, he spent ages trying to open locked doors after a press conference... HAHAHAHA!
Do you, by any chance, support Obama? You seem to know* a lot about our leaders, so I assume you have either a "yes" or a "no" for that question. And if you don't mind me asking, what press conference was this, why would anyone, stupid or not do this, and do you ever plan on supporting your claim that he is unintelligent?

/angry patriotism; I'm off to bed. Talk to you all in the morning, whenever that is for all of you people.

*think you know
Yup, Obama seems like a good man. Definately not the "Anti-Christ" or "Hitler" as some people say he is... actually these kinds of ridiculous accusations make me like the man more, I may actually fall in love with him if you* dont stop it! XD

Oh he didnt just check both doors and then leave... he ket trying to open the doors and kept turning to the reporters and waving and stuff... BLOODY HILARIOUS!

Also, do I need to provide proof? Can't you operate Goolge? Just search "Bush" and "Idiot" or "Moron" or "Retard", etc.

And it is already morning here... 5:13 AM, and I have yet to go to bed... YAY! XD

*You being the general you, not "you"... unless you do make these kinds of accusations, of course.
 

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Random argument man said:
Even though the US's army is on the other side of the globe, the country is still full of red-necks who have at least five guns in their homes. (Joking)(Maybe a little bit true, but still a joke).
Nah dude, its not a little true.....
Sadly its very true heh.....

And yes we can be invaded, taken over and so on.... But as previously stated like a billion times this is true of EVERY country on the planet.
 

Low Key

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There is always a possibility America could be invaded. I'd just hate to be the poor saps that have to comb through every street getting fired at by the military AND the civilians. Imagine enemy troops trying to storm Compton or Detroit. The gangstas have M4's too.
 

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Cpt_Oblivious said:
If the rest of the world?
Fuck that We'll send in the SAS and you'll be taken over before you know it.

So, yes - you could. It probably wouldn't need every other country to band against you, to be fair.

why does everyone think the SAS are the shit?
we have special forces too yknow
 

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paypuh said:
There is always a possibility America could be invaded. I'd just hate to be the poor saps that have to comb through every street getting fired at by the military AND the civilians. Imagine enemy troops trying to storm Compton or Detroit. The gangstas have M4's too.

after a while, i think the idea of taking on literaly the entire armed portion of the country will just not be worth it
 

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I wrote a long detailed plan about the strategic standpoint of the US when I stayed in Japan, unfortunately, I lost all record of it when I posted it on the military forums. Basically. I stated that the Us would have trouble if any invasion period were to come. our air forces might keep an air force off our back, but since most of the military spending in the past 40 years has been on offensive armies that can be deployed elsewhere. the actual defensive ability of the Us is very low.

most of our planes are bombers to prevent casualties, our troops are untrained for urban environments. Basically, if someone were to successfully invade America, they would have no trouble living off the land and remain perfectly untraceable.

Our country is so so big that pinpointing the location of an army would be hard at best and nigh impossible at worst. the scope means that we can't provide a full defense, as we couldn't cover enough land to prevent all possible ways to invade. Naval battle would be all but useless since our land mass is so great.

plus the fact that our country has grown lazy with consumerism, invading armies would find supplies everywhere they went and could fuel a march from the west all the way to east.

the two coasts are long enough that we couldn't effectively traffic all incoming and out-coming air flights. making transportation easy.
basically, our strategy would be reduced to point defense against our stronger cities and luring the enemy into traps that would made escape impossible.


basically, we are in a terrible position if a serious country decided to invade us.

feel free to disagree with me, that was just my 2 cents
 

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thewerebuffalo said:
I wrote a long detailed plan about the strategic standpoint of the US when I stayed in Japan, unfortunately, I lost all record of it when I posted it on the military forums. Basically. I stated that the Us would have trouble if any invasion period were to come. our air forces might keep an air force off our back, but since most of the military spending in the past 40 years has been on offensive armies that can be deployed elsewhere. the actual defensive ability of the Us is very low.

most of our planes are bombers to prevent casualties, our troops are untrained for urban environments. Basically, if someone were to successfully invade America, they would have no trouble living off the land and remain perfectly untraceable.

Our country is so so big that pinpointing the location of an army would be hard at best and nigh impossible at worst. the scope means that we can't provide a full defense, as we couldn't cover enough land to prevent all possible ways to invade. Naval battle would be all but useless since our land mass is so great.

plus the fact that our country has grown lazy with consumerism, invading armies would find supplies everywhere they went and could fuel a march from the west all the way to east.

the two coasts are long enough that we couldn't effectively traffic all incoming and out-coming air flights. making transportation easy.
basically, our strategy would be reduced to point defense against our stronger cities and luring the enemy into traps that would made escape impossible.


basically, we are in a terrible position if a serious country decided to invade us.

feel free to disagree with me, that was just my 2 cents
I just don't understand that when you said that "most of our planes are bombers to prevent casualties" I mean wont that just create more casualties rather then prevent, but this is from an Aussie view so correct me if you wish. Other then that, it seems as though you've really thought about how your country could be taken over.
 

thewerebuffalo

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Wini said:
I just don't understand that when you said that "most of our planes are bombers to prevent casualties" I mean wont that just create more casualties rather then prevent, but this is from an Aussie view so correct me if you wish. Other then that, it seems as though you've really thought about how your country could be taken over.
I was bored and I had nothing to do, plus I had just read ender's game I think.

by casualties, I meant soldier casualties.
 

Wini

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thewerebuffalo said:
Wini said:
I just don't understand that when you said that "most of our planes are bombers to prevent casualties" I mean wont that just create more casualties rather then prevent, but this is from an Aussie view so correct me if you wish. Other then that, it seems as though you've really thought about how your country could be taken over.
I was bored and I had nothing to do, plus I had just read ender's game I think.

by casualties, I meant soldier casualties.
Oh, I thought you meant civilians. Sorry bout that.
 

Paragon Fury

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Many people here are thinking simply along the lines of military might. Thinking outside the box, however, leads you to see several grave weaknesses for America.

1: America is network centric. With all the benefits this brings, it also means if someone got a few missiles into space, our country descends into absolute chaos, while other, most likely analouge-based countries, will not nearly be as effected.

2: America may be physically strong, but as to be observed though its last several war attempts, its will...is not so iron. If the aggressor are wise enough to think about it before hand, a massive propaganda/psychological warfare campaign, using the American media would be devasting to morale and the war effort.

3: Prryhic Victories. Our enemies may be willing to completely sacrifice their existance just to harm America - they may be destroyed, bu so long as America is forever changed because of it, they've won.

4: Who we're fighting. Though most of these posts assume an Eastern aggressor, like China or Russia, many of them don't think of what would happen if say, we pissed off the EU. Or Japan. The EU, Japan and several our allies hold resources and supplies vital to the American war machine. Loss of these supplies would be devastating. For example, the EU holds the only factories in the world capable of producing armor for the US' MBT, the Abrhams and the armor used in several other vehicles, like the Bradly, as well as the only other factories capable of producing the barrels for these vehicles. Most of America's electronic advancements have come from Japan, such as EMP shielding, and most recently, much of the electronics that make our air superiority possible, like with the F-22 and F-16. Ireland is another example, being the world's current leader in producing high-end electronics, much of which is used in the US military.

This isn't mentioning the fact that many countries in the EU, and in Europe in general, are usually considered to have something over the US in terms of military power, such as with Britian, who is generally regarded as having the world's most effective armor, and the world's best trained and equipped infantry. (Most estimates make it to be that upon completion of training, the average British solider is has recieved 4x as much training as the average American solider, and that their equipment is generally far more effective and reliable then our own.) France and Britian are usually considered to have the best special forces (with America following in a close 3rd, admittly), while the makers of some of the world's most effective weapon's systems are in the EU - Germany is one of the best.

Naval Power and Air Power are generally still considered to be America's field though, which is fortunate, as it is what keeps us safe. If any of you remember the incident with China, where one of our C-130's crashed on Chinese soil, reading the reports filed after that, the lead negotiator remarks on how several Chinese officials stated, quite boldly, that American air power was the only thing keeping them safe - that if wasn't for that, America would be crushed by now.

Then again, I guess China can make those kinds of claims, seeing as how even the US's most conservative estimates put the number of women in the Chinese military alone as equal to or greater then to the total number of US Armed Forces combined.

Lets hope no one in charge over there in China ever decides to play as the Zerg......
 

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thewerebuffalo, I will have to disagree with you.

thewerebuffalo said:
our air forces might keep an air force off our back, but since most of the military spending in the past 40 years has been on offensive armies that can be deployed elsewhere. the actual defensive ability of the Us is very low.

most of our planes are bombers to prevent casualties, our troops are untrained for urban environments.
Our air force is one of the best in the world. Perhaps we do have too many bombers, but there are still plenty of F-18s ready to be manned. People don't spend 4 years or more in the service and only learn how to run and shoot. Our defensive capabilities are just fine. And since 25% of Americans own guns legally, and many, many more people own illegal guns, I'd say any invading army would have a tough enough time with the civilians, let alone the US military.

Basically, if someone were to successfully invade America, they would have no trouble living off the land and remain perfectly untraceable.

Our country is so so big that pinpointing the location of an army would be hard at best and nigh impossible at worst. the scope means that we can't provide a full defense, as we couldn't cover enough land to prevent all possible ways to invade. Naval battle would be all but useless since our land mass is so great.
Satellite imagry would find any army in a matter of minutes, but I am probably being too generous with that timeframe. Besides, no one knows America better than Americans. We would know all of the hiding spots and already be there waiting for them.

plus the fact that our country has grown lazy with consumerism, invading armies would find supplies everywhere they went and could fuel a march from the west all the way to east.

the two coasts are long enough that we couldn't effectively traffic all incoming and out-coming air flights. making transportation easy.
basically, our strategy would be reduced to point defense against our stronger cities and luring the enemy into traps that would made escape impossible.
Those supplies would be used by the civilians who are protecting their own homes and the US military, again, who have already dug themselves into the trenches. And as for the useless American navy, they would be protecting the coasts. It would be tough for any invading landing crew to make it past hundreds of warships and the coastal forts. Then making it into the major cities would be another huge loss of casualties. Imagine enemy troops having to walk up all those flights of stairs in New York just to flush everyone out. They'd be exhausted.
 

Paragon Fury

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The above poster also made realize another point - our enemies goal, and what they actually want. If they want to truly occupy us and not wipe the whole country, then we'd stand a better chance.

However, if our enemy's goal is to simply kill us and steal and many resources as possible, most of defenses would prove little issue to them - blast it out of the way, and move on. Why bother clearing a city out? Bomb it straight to hell, then if you want some of the pieces, go pick'em up later.
 

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sooperman said:
Hoxton said:
Without doubt, Russia is and always was light years ahead of the rest of the planet in warfare tech.
WARNING: NERD ALERT ATCIVATED
Light years are a measure of distance, and not time. That is all thank you.
I could mean it as a track race >:3
 

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keyton777 said:
Cpt_Oblivious said:
If the rest of the world?
Fuck that We'll send in the SAS and you'll be taken over before you know it.

So, yes - you could. It probably wouldn't need every other country to band against you, to be fair.

why does everyone think the SAS are the shit?
we have special forces too yknow
Yeah but the SAS are the shit. :)
 

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The US is a dominating economic, diplomatic and military power. Attacking it would offer the most extreme military challenge ever undertaken. With that said, as things stand, it is entirely within the realms of possibility for some foolish regime to successfully invade the country itself, by luck and by exploiting technological weaknesses.

Occupying would be difficult, but occupying America generally doesn't make sense from a human perspective. If you were an alien invading Earth, it would probably not be as big of a problem. But occupation would not be where the profit is; the only reason someone would try that is for twisted ideological motives. Indeed, from an economic perspective it still makes far more sense to be a friend to America than an enemy, and to let it do its own thing with trade.

Really though, the question of offensive power comes down to nuclear weaponry in this day and age. Infantry, naval and air forces are all quite irrelevant to that. America has more of these nuclear missles than anybody else, and in the largest range, covering most of the world's geography.

Defensive power is another matter entirely. Despite missle defence systems having vast amounts of money devoted to them in the US, none of these has proven much accuracy at all in deflecting missles, to say nothing of intercontinental nuclear missles. If an enemy wanted to totally destroy America and didn't care about the consequences, and had such weaponry within range of more than two major US cities, then there would be nothing America would do except shoot back (which they would be very likely to do, for national pride, revenge, and the need to destroy a country that steeped in atrocity). And depending on the enemy country, that could easily lead to the joining to war of all of their allies, and all the allies of the US would already be at war themselves within minutes. This would almost inevitably lead to nuclear winter and you know what after that.

Perhaps the strongest thing going for humanity at the moment, and one of the reasons why fate or providence can still potentially be believed in, is that this hasn't happened yet, despite the potential having been there for more than fourty years. Despite the existence of smaller wars, larger ones have been completely avoided for fear of the ultimate death of the human race.

Any potential major enemies America has on the world stage are more likely to be waiting for the point where America is in very extreme debt to them, so that they can then claim on the debt in conjunction with other countries. This would leave America bankrupt. If there would be a time for a military takeover and occupation, it would be three years after that occurring, when the upkeep costs mean very large losses in military funding and training.

It's funny, I never really tried looking at it from the perspective of invasion. This is a good thread, it helped me pool together some ideas and get a new perspective on the motives of politicians, especially in the UN. Thanks to the OP.
 

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iJosh said:
I can see canada and mexico working together to invade the US.
Mexico is mostly here lol. Did you ever hear of the Mexican Olympic joke? Why hasn't Mexico won anything in the olympics? Because anyone who can run, jump or swim are already in America.