Creative freedom is dying because of the mainstream blight?

[Teoes]

There is zero chance you're serious and on the level with all this. No way. You'd be more believable if you'd held some of this invective back to slide into the next thread, but you've just thrown too much out there at once here.

..I will simply resort to hurling those really terrifying insults I am quite good at until they flee back to their master.

Try us! Go on, hypothetical situation, don't aim it at any of the users here, just do your worst. Let's see what's so impressive as to send sheep scuttling back to their master. C'mon, it'll be funny.

 

[Sung-Hwan]

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Yeah, that doesn't work. How do you know that the same people that constantly complain about the staleness of CoD actually by the game? Check out the recent CoD thread in gaming discussion and you see that plenty don't. Also, you can buy a game, like it, and STILL complain about it, plenty of people do it for just about every game. You're doing the exact same thing that you've done this entire thread, go purely off of sterotypes. And please stop talking about mindless slaves to consumerism, it's plain old hyperbole.

Also, going back to what you said, I don't visit Youtube for constructive criticism; I visit Youtube to get an idea of what the mainstream crowd is like. The people posting comments on popular Youtube videos ARE the mainstream audience. For quicker reference, I just look at old Pewdiepie video comments or just listen to his fans.

 

[Sung-Hwan]

"human filth"? Seriously OP?

Why is it that you always seem to stand head and shoulders above everyone else on this forum when it comes to being disdainful and derisive?

I think you missed my point with that but I strongly believe in human elitism/survival of the fittest; which means I think a large chunk of humanity (the mainstream crowd) are no different from wild animals and it is up to the elite to tower over them. I don't consider myself quite up there yet, but am progressively trying to climb up.

 

[Erttheking]

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Yeah, that doesn't work. How do you know that the same people that constantly complain about the staleness of CoD actually by the game? Check out the recent CoD thread in gaming discussion and you see that plenty don't. Also, you can buy a game, like it, and STILL complain about it, plenty of people do it for just about every game. You're doing the exact same thing that you've done this entire thread, go purely off of sterotypes. And please stop talking about mindless slaves to consumerism, it's plain old hyperbole.

Also, going back to what you said, I don't visit Youtube for constructive criticism; I visit Youtube to get an idea of what the mainstream crowd is like. The people posting comments on popular Youtube videos ARE the mainstream audience. For quicker reference, I just look at old Pewdiepie video comments or just listen to his fans.

So basically you're getting exactly one source to get a view of something that deals with millions upon millions of people. That is hardly what I would call in depth research. You've really only confirmed what I've been thinking for a long time. You're basing your views on stereotypes. Youtube is not a 100% accurate depiction of everything that is mainstream. Even then really you're only focusing on specific aspects of youtube. What about the Markiplier I am Bread video where the highest rated comments were about concerns for the guy's health?

 

[Erttheking]

"human filth"? Seriously OP?

Why is it that you always seem to stand head and shoulders above everyone else on this forum when it comes to being disdainful and derisive?

I think you missed my point with that but I strongly believe in human elitism/survival of the fittest; which means I think a large chunk of humanity (the mainstream crowd) are no different from wild animals and it is up to the elite to tower over them. I don't consider myself quite up there yet, but am progressively trying to climb up.

No he didn't, he was spot on.

Well you can beleive in whatever you want, but when people start coming up to you and start telling you why what you think is lacking in terms of supporting evidence, you better be ready to listen. And frankly, these "wild animals" that you keep talking about? What exactly about you makes you better than them?

Also you pretty much talked about how you're pretty much ok with a dictatorship.

 

[Sung-Hwan]

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Yeah, that doesn't work. How do you know that the same people that constantly complain about the staleness of CoD actually by the game? Check out the recent CoD thread in gaming discussion and you see that plenty don't. Also, you can buy a game, like it, and STILL complain about it, plenty of people do it for just about every game. You're doing the exact same thing that you've done this entire thread, go purely off of sterotypes. And please stop talking about mindless slaves to consumerism, it's plain old hyperbole.

Also, going back to what you said, I don't visit Youtube for constructive criticism; I visit Youtube to get an idea of what the mainstream crowd is like. The people posting comments on popular Youtube videos ARE the mainstream audience. For quicker reference, I just look at old Pewdiepie video comments or just listen to his fans.

So basically you're getting exactly one source to get a view of something that deals with millions upon millions of people. That is hardly what I would call in depth research. You've really only confirmed what I've been thinking for a long time. You're basing your views on stereotypes. Youtube is not a 100% accurate depiction of everything that is mainstream. Even then really you're only focusing on specific aspects of youtube. What about the Markiplier I am Bread video where the highest rated comments were about concerns for the guy's health?

Pewdiepie is the most subscribed person on Youtube and specifically centered around popular gaming trends among other things. He's a perfect icon for mainstream observations; why else would I have chosen him? As a person, Pewdiepie also symbolizes the power of mainstream control over the masses.

 

[Sung-Hwan]

"human filth"? Seriously OP?

Why is it that you always seem to stand head and shoulders above everyone else on this forum when it comes to being disdainful and derisive?

I think you missed my point with that but I strongly believe in human elitism/survival of the fittest; which means I think a large chunk of humanity (the mainstream crowd) are no different from wild animals and it is up to the elite to tower over them. I don't consider myself quite up there yet, but am progressively trying to climb up.

No he didn't, he was spot on.

Well you can beleive in whatever you want, but when people start coming up to you and start telling you why what you think is lacking in terms of supporting evidence, you better be ready to listen. And frankly, these "wild animals" that you keep talking about? What exactly about you makes you better than them?

Also you pretty much talked about how you're pretty much ok with a dictatorship.

I'm very perceptive, have a lot of experience in regards to various mediums on my shoulders, and generally make a lot of good points/observations that get tons of positive feedback when I decide to post on sites like reddit. I don't consider myself perfect since my experience and knowledge is admittedly still lacking in some areas, but that's why I work to make observations and write; it's all to learn more about things.

 

[Erttheking]

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Just because he has more subscribers than anyone else you know what that means? That people watch him more than anything else. That's it He does not exercise any sort of control over his subscribers, in fact I imagine most of them see he posted a new video, watch it, then move on with their lives. Unless you feel like going in depth into how exactly he has control over them and affects their behavior.

 

[Erttheking]

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You reached a conclusion that was ideal to you, talked about how it was right, and flat out ignored everyone who pointed out the countless holes in your logic. Places like Reddit sound a lot like an echo chamber or the bias effect. You surround yourself with people who agree with you, talk about things you already agree with, then sit back to hear people talk about how right you are. It rarely leads to any intellectual growth. For someone who says he wants to learn more about things, you seem to be flat out ignoring everyone who is pointing out how heavily flawed your arguments are.

This is why a society ruled by elites is a horrible idea. The elites commonly aren't really that elite, they just say that they're better than everyone else without much of anything to back it up.

 

[Sanderpower]

Is this thread serious? I... I can't even...

Did you ever stop yourself and think that maybe the reason Square hasn't been doing so well is their own fault? That sort of thing happens, you know? Executives and designers make poor decisions sometimes. Shit happens.

And where are you getting this "appealing to feminists and SJWs" tripe from? Let's be honest here, if they're trying to appeal to anyone it's the casual audience (whom we should avoid demonizing). Since the 2000's the FF franchise has gotten less complex and more action-oriented. They had basically abandoned RPGs all-together until Bravely Default proved there was still a market for it.

Also, I am not quite clear on what you mean by mainstream media. You don't seem to have a clear point to make about it other than it's bad.

And another thing, what has EA done to "cater to the mainstream audience"? Make Dead Space 3 a shitty action game? And that's the fault of feminists?

Really not following your logic here.

No it's not Square's own fault. Their games are fine, but the strain of the mainstream press on them is definitely showing. Where to start with this since it'll be a long post...

As I said, their games up to thirteen are generally superb in quality but due to the mainstream cancer being attached to the Final Fantasy brand, they don't SEEM to realize how good their games really are. Point case example is Lightning Returns, which was mechanically a fantastic game (far better than its predecessors) but it received the lowest ratings from the corrupt press in a collaborated attempt to manipulate Square Enix into making what they want. Jim Sterling was one of the main catalysts for this happening.

Censorship in this medium exists solely to cater to feminists and SJWs. By censorship, I refer to Bravely Default's localization as an example; or how Anitia Sarkeesian desires to twist Mirror's Edge to her agendas now that it is in her creative control. The visual novel genre of gaming only exists in the West from the efforts of fan translators due to the nature of it likely to drive SJWs and feminists insane. Still, some like Phoenix Wright, 999, and Steins;Gate are officially localized.

Dead Space was a part of the survival horror genre and was a damn good series in that regard. The problem is survival horror is too complicated for the mainstream audience, and EA, like Square Enix, tried to change 3 in the direction of what casual gamers want (mindless handholding fun). This is what I mean by mainstream influence taking over creative freedom.

Also, I have a blog for an opinion on mainstream media, but posting it here would be borderline conspiracy theory so I'll pass.

1. Anita isn't even working on Mirror's Edge in any real shape or fashion.

2. Do you have any actual evidence to support the claim that companies are just doing whatever they think the mainstream media wants and not just making their own stupid mistakes?

Because it seems to me you just have a vendetta against the "Mainstream casuals" and feminists and you're using conspiracy theories to justify your hatred/dislike for these groups.

 

[PainInTheAssInternet]

I'm very perceptive, have a lot of experience in regards to various mediums on my shoulders, and generally make a lot of good points/observations that get tons of positive feedback when I decide to post on sites like reddit. I don't consider myself perfect since my experience and knowledge is admittedly still lacking in some areas, but that's why I work to make observations and write; it's all to learn more about things.

http://www.reddit.com/user/Sung-Hwan

I assume that's you? I haven't seen anyone praise your perspective at all. In fact, you consistently get posts with no positive points on it. The responses I've seen thus far aren't as negative as they are on here because you haven't shown them how you are on here (as far as I've read).

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Just because he has more subscribers than anyone else you know what that means? That people watch him more than anything else. That's it He does not exercise any sort of control over his subscribers, in fact I imagine most of them see he posted a new video, watch it, then move on with their lives. Unless you feel like going in depth into how exactly he has control over them and affects their behavior.

I think it was Game Theory who examined how PewDiePie got so popular and his primary argument was that his viewers just had him playing in the background as noise. Basically they weren't actually watching him.

 

[Sung-Hwan]

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You reached a conclusion that was ideal to you, talked about how it was right, and flat out ignored everyone who pointed out the countless holes in your logic. Places like Reddit sound a lot like an echo chamber or the bias effect. You surround yourself with people who agree with you, talk about things you already agree with, then sit back to hear people talk about how right you are. It rarely leads to any intellectual growth. For someone who says he wants to learn more about things, you seem to be flat out ignoring everyone who is pointing out how heavily flawed your arguments are.

This is why a society ruled by elites is a horrible idea. The elites commonly aren't really that elite, they just say that they're better than everyone else without much of anything to back it up.

I specifically choose to listen to people I feel measure to my experience in the context of whatever discussion is taking place. I would never so much as look at someone who only played Persona 4 and made claims on SMT for example, but I would listen to someone who has played their fair share of SMT titles that matches my own experience. Should they surpass me in experience, I'm further inclined to believe they're more justified to an opinion than me.

 

[Sung-Hwan]

I'm very perceptive, have a lot of experience in regards to various mediums on my shoulders, and generally make a lot of good points/observations that get tons of positive feedback when I decide to post on sites like reddit. I don't consider myself perfect since my experience and knowledge is admittedly still lacking in some areas, but that's why I work to make observations and write; it's all to learn more about things.

http://www.reddit.com/user/Sung-Hwan

I assume that's you? I haven't seen anyone praise your perspective at all. In fact, you consistently get posts with no positive points on it. The responses I've seen thus far aren't as negative as they are on here because you haven't shown them how you are on here (as far as I've read).

Snip

Just because he has more subscribers than anyone else you know what that means? That people watch him more than anything else. That's it He does not exercise any sort of control over his subscribers, in fact I imagine most of them see he posted a new video, watch it, then move on with their lives. Unless you feel like going in depth into how exactly he has control over them and affects their behavior.

I think it was Game Theory who examined how PewDiePie got so popular and his primary argument was that his viewers just had him playing in the background as noise. Basically they weren't actually watching him.

That's my old Reddit I abandoned; hence the lack of activity. I knew someone was gonna try this. I don't even go by the name Sung-Hwan anymore; it's Arcana-XII everywhere now. There's no option to change a name on Escapist so yeah.

 

[Major_Tom]

"Creative freedom is dying because of the mainstream blight?"

Wow, that's got to be the hipsterest title ever! Did you type that with a vintage typewriter?

 

[Erttheking]

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You reached a conclusion that was ideal to you, talked about how it was right, and flat out ignored everyone who pointed out the countless holes in your logic. Places like Reddit sound a lot like an echo chamber or the bias effect. You surround yourself with people who agree with you, talk about things you already agree with, then sit back to hear people talk about how right you are. It rarely leads to any intellectual growth. For someone who says he wants to learn more about things, you seem to be flat out ignoring everyone who is pointing out how heavily flawed your arguments are.

This is why a society ruled by elites is a horrible idea. The elites commonly aren't really that elite, they just say that they're better than everyone else without much of anything to back it up.

I specifically choose to listen to people I feel measure to my experience in the context of whatever discussion is taking place. I would never so much as look at someone who only played Persona 4 and made claims on SMT for example, but I would listen to someone who has played their fair share of SMT titles that matches my own experience. Should they surpass me in experience, I'm further inclined to believe they're more justified to an opinion than me.

I'm not sure what exactly what point you're trying to make here. That people who are less informed don't have a right to an opinion? No offense, but a lot of your arguments have been VERY poorly informed, so by your own logic I have more right of an opinion than you do in this situation. And that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. You have a right to voice your opinion, no matter how poorly founded it is, and the idea of someone having less of a right to an opinion just feels wrong. Especially when the "right" people just use it as an excuse to shut up all dissenters.

 

[Sung-Hwan]

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You reached a conclusion that was ideal to you, talked about how it was right, and flat out ignored everyone who pointed out the countless holes in your logic. Places like Reddit sound a lot like an echo chamber or the bias effect. You surround yourself with people who agree with you, talk about things you already agree with, then sit back to hear people talk about how right you are. It rarely leads to any intellectual growth. For someone who says he wants to learn more about things, you seem to be flat out ignoring everyone who is pointing out how heavily flawed your arguments are.

This is why a society ruled by elites is a horrible idea. The elites commonly aren't really that elite, they just say that they're better than everyone else without much of anything to back it up.

I specifically choose to listen to people I feel measure to my experience in the context of whatever discussion is taking place. I would never so much as look at someone who only played Persona 4 and made claims on SMT for example, but I would listen to someone who has played their fair share of SMT titles that matches my own experience. Should they surpass me in experience, I'm further inclined to believe they're more justified to an opinion than me.

I'm not sure what exactly what point you're trying to make here. That people who are less informed don't have a right to an opinion? No offense, but a lot of your arguments have been VERY poorly informed, so by your own logic I have more right of an opinion than you do in this situation. And that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. You have a right to voice your opinion, no matter how poorly founded it is, and the idea of someone having less of a right to an opinion just feels wrong. Especially when the "right" people just use it as an excuse to shut up all dissenters.

Yes, that is my entire point and everything I stand for goes by it: The uninformed are not entitled to opinions that should be taken seriously. In not believing so, you're effectively saying casual gamers are entitled to opinions that should shape the industry's direction.

 

[theNater]

Square Enix is currently trying to appease...corrupt journalists, with their newer products.

You don't need to appease corrupt journalists with your products; just give them a big enough bag of money and they'll give good scores to any piece of garbage. It's the principled journalists you have to appease with your products; the ones who believe in something and will not ignore that belief for any amount of money.

 

[PainInTheAssInternet]

That's my old Reddit I abandoned; hence the lack of activity. I knew someone was gonna try this. I don't even go by the name Sung-Hwan anymore; it's Arcana-XII everywhere now. There's no option to change a name on Escapist so yeah.

Oh, yes. Abandoned far back through the sands of time in the mystical age of slightly over a week ago. That account starting around the time your account on here was started.

So I checked out your new profile and lo and behold; whenever you act like you do on here you get downvoted pretty bad. For giggles, who else here feels this is familiar?
http://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/2ryr1p/is_it_worth_pursuing_the_idea_of_becoming_an/

Incidentally, you can change your name. You just have only one opportunity to do so.

 

[Erttheking]

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Frankly you have done very little to prove yourself to be informed in the area that you are talking about, so if you really stuck to your own policy you would know why so many people aren't taking you seriously. And should casuals have opinions to shape the industry's direction? Well the play games and buy a lot and are gamers so...YES! Casuals are not destroying the industry, I honestly can't believe we've gone back to this. You make it sound like they would destroy everything original. Well casuals have been around for a long time and Booldborne and Persona 5 are still coming out, so I have no idea what you're worried about.

See, this is why I hate the idea of an elite ruling class. The only people who ever seriously advocate for it are the ones who fall into that ruling class, or thin they should. Only the elite think it's a good idea, because they get to stamp out all those pesky dissenting opinions.

 

[Sanderpower]

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You reached a conclusion that was ideal to you, talked about how it was right, and flat out ignored everyone who pointed out the countless holes in your logic. Places like Reddit sound a lot like an echo chamber or the bias effect. You surround yourself with people who agree with you, talk about things you already agree with, then sit back to hear people talk about how right you are. It rarely leads to any intellectual growth. For someone who says he wants to learn more about things, you seem to be flat out ignoring everyone who is pointing out how heavily flawed your arguments are.

This is why a society ruled by elites is a horrible idea. The elites commonly aren't really that elite, they just say that they're better than everyone else without much of anything to back it up.

I specifically choose to listen to people I feel measure to my experience in the context of whatever discussion is taking place. I would never so much as look at someone who only played Persona 4 and made claims on SMT for example, but I would listen to someone who has played their fair share of SMT titles that matches my own experience. Should they surpass me in experience, I'm further inclined to believe they're more justified to an opinion than me.

I'm not sure what exactly what point you're trying to make here. That people who are less informed don't have a right to an opinion? No offense, but a lot of your arguments have been VERY poorly informed, so by your own logic I have more right of an opinion than you do in this situation. And that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. You have a right to voice your opinion, no matter how poorly founded it is, and the idea of someone having less of a right to an opinion just feels wrong. Especially when the "right" people just use it as an excuse to shut up all dissenters.

Yes, that is my entire point and everything I stand for goes by it: The uninformed are not entitled to opinions that should be taken seriously. In not believing so, you're effectively saying casual gamers are entitled to opinions that should shape the industry's direction.

In that case, we shouldn't be taking your opinion seriously then. Okay I'm cool with that.