Crispy Gamer Calls Out Resident Evil 5's Racism

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harhol said:
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If they use the N word or one of the white folks says something like "who cares if they are infected, they are black so kill'em all and let God sort them out" then I would be the first one calling for a boycott. Or if there is a KKK robe for an unlockable costume.
not all racism is blatantly obvious. in this case it's all about parallels. white hero vs. black "savages" is just too imperialist for my tastes.
Nope it isn't. We need people to tell us it is racist so we can see it ourselves. If it wasn't for the media jumping all over the whole trailer thing I never in a million years would have saw it. Alot of my friends of all different races didn't see it until then. So which type of racism should we worry about? The burning cross and swastika or the perceived racism of those who can't see past a white person killing black people in a story that is based in a country with a black majority?
 

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I'm really failing to see the racism in RE5. The portrayal of Africans wielding spears is side by side with said africans having giant parasitic organisms sprout from the space where there head used to be and proceeding to eat the entire top half of Chris' well toned body (which must have been a chore to chew when you consider the colossal size of his biceps). The point I am trying to make here is that the fact that you kill africans in RE5 is a sidebar to the fact that they are in fact, Zombies. The misconception here is the focusing of them having black skin instead of them just being zombies, which seems to me a sort of racism in and of itself. Why must we focus on them being African? Would it be okay if both main characters were black? Should Sheva be darker, would it then be okay?

So from now on we can only set games in place were there are primarily caucasians, so obviously no more games in the entire continent of africa.

As someone from a minority group myself, I find that mildly insulting, a kind of reverse-racism.

And yes, I am not so naive as to believe that there is no prejudice or racism in the world, but I am also not so pessimistic as some to believe that that prejudice should affect the way we do things. Debates over whether something is racist does not reduce the racism in the world, just makes it more visible. Making the point that we should at least consider the possibility of racism does not sound productive to me, and let me qualify that.

Let's say for a moment, that Capcom is racist, and wants to set RE5 in Africa just for the excuse to kill Black people. Now say that you, who have not a single racist bone in your body, buy the game and enjoy it quite alot. Are you now a racist? Obviously not. The playing of the game didn't magically make you want to kill africans (though one Mr. Thompson would say otherwise). The point here being that the racism is in the eye of the beholder, the only racism is created and percieved by those who want it to be there for one reason or another, and debating their argument only fuels their own ends. It could be argued that there is a moral dilemma in rewarding a company for such racist behavior, but their acquiring of your non-racist money is dependent on you NOT seeing the game as racist, and developing a pattern of killing africans would kind of tip their hand.

RE5 is not racist. I stand firmly behind that.
 
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The only thing that can be considered racist about this game, providing you force it a little is people of Africa becoming slaves mainly because of he virus that makes them lose all common sense and want to kill you and only you outside o the cut scenes. Also the one behind the virus spreading is Caucasian if or German i really don't know.

"spoiler warning"
and on a note based on what i have seen in videos they throw down their shields and spears and use guns and rocket launchers, however i don't know if that classifies as savage.
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
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So devs should use kid gloves when telling these stories because of history? That strikes me as racist. Stuff happened. Can't deny it some bad stuff happened to some innocent people way back in the day. I just don't think there is any need to tip toe around something completely unrelated to the history when it involves those specific races.
Neither do I. However, there are degrees of tread in between "tip toe" and "stomp around like a drunken elephant"


Especially when no one seems to have any problems whatsoever when it comes to Germans and WW2 games.
Um, Germany *actually was* our enemy in WW2, and we don't associate modern Germans with Nazi-era Germans unlike the way the racism we find in history towards blacks is still with us.
The only reason it is still with us is because we aren't allowed to let it go. I am not saying to forget what happened and sweep it under the carpet. What I am saying is skin color doesn't matter anymore and the media needs to let this shit go. Come on they went on for months about Barak pre election. Not because of his credentials. Not because he may be good or bad for America. The only thing you heard was OMG HE IS BLACK. Now explain to me how that is fair and equal when it comes to race issues, but RE5 isn't? I applaud Capcom. They are treating the game with equality. The MC goes to Africa because that is the source of the virus. So of course he will find savage black infected people. Who knows what they were doing before he showed up? Doesn't really matter since the story doesn't start before Chris shows up how can Capcom be accused of it's portrayl of normal African people? They are showing African infected people.
 

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squid5580 said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
squid5580 said:
So devs should use kid gloves when telling these stories because of history? That strikes me as racist. Stuff happened. Can't deny it some bad stuff happened to some innocent people way back in the day. I just don't think there is any need to tip toe around something completely unrelated to the history when it involves those specific races.
Neither do I. However, there are degrees of tread in between "tip toe" and "stomp around like a drunken elephant"


Especially when no one seems to have any problems whatsoever when it comes to Germans and WW2 games.
Um, Germany *actually was* our enemy in WW2, and we don't associate modern Germans with Nazi-era Germans unlike the way the racism we find in history towards blacks is still with us.
The only reason it is still with us is because we aren't allowed to let it go. I am not saying to forget what happened and sweep it under the carpet. What I am saying is skin color doesn't matter anymore and the media needs to let this shit go. Come on they went on for months about Barak pre election. Not because of his credentials. Not because he may be good or bad for America. The only thing you heard was OMG HE IS BLACK. Now explain to me how that is fair and equal when it comes to race issues, but RE5 isn't? I applaud Capcom. They are treating the game with equality. The MC goes to Africa because that is the source of the virus. So of course he will find savage black infected people. Who knows what they were doing before he showed up? Doesn't really matter since the story doesn't start before Chris shows up how can Capcom be accused of it's portrayl of normal African people? They are showing African infected people.
You know your full of crap, right? Who are you trying to fool?
 

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SageOfCalm said:
squid5580 said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
squid5580 said:
So devs should use kid gloves when telling these stories because of history? That strikes me as racist. Stuff happened. Can't deny it some bad stuff happened to some innocent people way back in the day. I just don't think there is any need to tip toe around something completely unrelated to the history when it involves those specific races.
Neither do I. However, there are degrees of tread in between "tip toe" and "stomp around like a drunken elephant"


Especially when no one seems to have any problems whatsoever when it comes to Germans and WW2 games.
Um, Germany *actually was* our enemy in WW2, and we don't associate modern Germans with Nazi-era Germans unlike the way the racism we find in history towards blacks is still with us.
The only reason it is still with us is because we aren't allowed to let it go. I am not saying to forget what happened and sweep it under the carpet. What I am saying is skin color doesn't matter anymore and the media needs to let this shit go. Come on they went on for months about Barak pre election. Not because of his credentials. Not because he may be good or bad for America. The only thing you heard was OMG HE IS BLACK. Now explain to me how that is fair and equal when it comes to race issues, but RE5 isn't? I applaud Capcom. They are treating the game with equality. The MC goes to Africa because that is the source of the virus. So of course he will find savage black infected people. Who knows what they were doing before he showed up? Doesn't really matter since the story doesn't start before Chris shows up how can Capcom be accused of it's portrayl of normal African people? They are showing African infected people.
You know your full of crap, right? Who are you trying to fool?
Funny but I require a valid arguement to prove that. Saying that with your closed mind makes it nothing more than an uninformed opinion.
 

Therumancer

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This is very simple. Racism is dead as a mainstream phenomena at least in the US. Liberals and such who define themselves by having a battle to fight however, have learned that they can STILL dredge up a lot of contreversy by dropping the word. Let's forget that obviously the mainstream population of the US cares so little about race that we now have a black guy running the country. Nope, let's scream racism anyway to get some attention.

The problem is nobody has the guts to shut these people down for trolling, or intentionally trying to grab some attention through contreversy. Perhaps it will come with time, but right now I'm beginning to think that allegations of this type are very similar to hate speech in their own way. Having little purpose other than to cause chaos and try and incite unrest.

When it comes to Resident Evil 5 itself, I have played it a bit, though I haven't had a lot of time. The game isn't even remotely racist. About the worst you can say about it is that it shows a pretty accurate picture of Africa, without the politically correct lens.

Face it, Africa is basically a wasteland full of impoverished and uneducated people. That is why we spend so much money through things like the Peace Corps. trying to educate the people in the region. Yes, a lot of those people arm themselves with things like spears, simply because such weapons are effective and they don't have anything else. This is why a dude with a couple of crates of guns and a couple of hummers can declare himself a Warlord and take over a section of the countryside. Guys with spears lose to guys with machine guns (I'm being simplistic here intentionally).

We've all seen National Geographic, and heck, it's impossible to miss the stories on the news about the genocides and such in the region, and comments about how the world isn't doing enough, and how countries like the US can be playing Cowboy in Iraq, while all of this stuff is going on, etc... pick your political slant, but the bottom line is that it's reported.

I'm sure we've all seen the "Sally Struthers" type "feed the hungry" movements begging for money to feed starving african children and such.

Now in general, we're aware of all these things, but when people aren't asking for aid, or somehow using the state of the region for political reasons, people are expected to ignore it, focus only on the best/most developed areas and the exceptions.

Hey, maybe the truth isn't as politically correct and antiseptic as you might like, but honestly from what *I'VE* seen on the news this seems like a pretty good portrayal of the region. Tons of pathetic, uneducated, and malnurished people? Well if it was any other way we wouldn't spend so much time sending aid to the region.

To be kind of honest, they do a pretty fair job from what I've seen so far of showing a pretty good selection of the rough areas of Africa. In the towns for example when the infection gets going (I don't want to give too many spoilers which would explain it further) the people your up against are mostly using improvised weapons and tools, pretty much the kinds of things you'd expect a mob to be able to pick up and wield in an enviroment like that.

While it's a bit further than I've personally gotten (due to time) I will ALSO point out that one thing most of these reviews conveinently forget is that as the enviroment changes so do the capabilities of your enemies. The local warlord types are infected also, and you do wind up fighting enemies with guns when it is appropriate to the setting.

I guess what you can say is that the game isn't overly politically correct as it is not working to avoid depicting such things, and only focus on the best/most progressive areas on the region. Not being politically correct is however a far shot from being racist, and I think the contreversy over this game both shows the distinction, and how the politically correct movement is exploited specifically to cause trouble.


As far as the protaganists go, well Chris Redfield is one of the same guys you've been playing since the beginning of the series. He's simply going to a new place. He's now a veteran adventurer type guy, as opposed to the shocked out of his league dude he was in
the first game. Being a guy who is now going out to pick fights with bio-terrors on purpose he's pretty bulked out, and like most fantasy action heroes his build and capabilities are a bit more than could be considered realistic.

When it comes to Sheva, from what I gather having read about the character is that she was born in Africa but was educated and trained in Europe (hence the accent). Being part of an anti-terrorism squad she's got top flight training, and of course being an action hero has the same kind of overblown physique/capabilities as Chris does.

As far as how they appear to the guys they are up against, well highly trained, well educated, special forces guys are exceptional by first world standards. When dealing with a bunch of uneducated, malnurished, guys in Africa who are just trying to scrape by, you expect them to be a bit more capable/effective. When you take malnourished people of the sort aid is requested for on TV, and then shove a parasite down their throat, turning them into a zombiesque horror... well how do you expect them to look?
 

Therumancer

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Well as I explained above (this is an attempt to quote a response), I have similar thoughts.

Generally speaking the USA isn't all that racist as far as nations go. A lot of other nations are more or less mono-ethnic, with very limited minority populations, and those minorities usually don't have anything resembling equal rights overall. I mean for example if you go to Japan, there might be whites or blacks around, but it can take some effort to find one in many places because everyone is Japanese. It isn't like the US where seeing people of a bunch of differant ethnicities is as easy as heading to the mall, and in those places the minorities are more or less outsiders. The point isn't really about there though.

When it comes to the whole White/Black thing in the US, I see most of the hype over Obama ont he subject to be ridiculous to be honest. The ONLY real thing to take away from it is that he could not have been elected without the support of the mainstream. What this means is that mainstream America voted a Black Man into the White House. What this means is that while there might be some racism out there, it is a tiny fringe element, and that racism is dead within the mainstream.

The Spectre of racism is a good way to garner attention and cause trouble though. Largely because it can upset the majority of people. Alleging someone is a racist is also a good way to destroy them, or attach a shadow over them in public (whether it's true or not, and by the numbers chances are it's not).

The problem of course being that fighting a war is very easy. Having an enemy to blame for your problems and focus your energies against is something that a lot of people without one wish that they had. It's one thing to go out there and buck the system, fight the man, etc.. especially towards the end of a successful conflict where it becomes relatively safe (but still appropriate). But then comes to the time when your done fighting and have to live in the peace, and well... people want the old glory. I don't articulate it well, but I think when people yell "racism" it's an attempt to get attention, and try and validate their existance even if falsely. If you see the civil liberties movement as a war, a lot of the "soldiers" are having trouble adjusting back to civilian living after such a long time.

While this is another big, long post, I'll also ask fairly: how do you expect Rural africa to be portrayed? Forgetting the whole "infection" aspect, this isn't a well-to-do or touristy area where people go to sign on for Safari tourism packages. You sit down and watch the news, stuff from the Peace Corps., or the various beg-a-thon commercials asking you to "adopt" children and help swing the expense of food and education... and well, this seems pretty bloody accurate.

Basically to say that this game is somehow racist or wrong, means that you ultimatly have to say that all of the people collecting money and supplies for them, the activities of the peace corps, Red Cross, etc... are all wrong and full of liars. I mean heck, if Africa is full of well educated, well fed, people who are living or or less like we do around here (other than the color of their skin) why the holy heck are we investing so much tax money, as well as personal donations in the area?


You don't like how it is down there, fine. Then support the efforts to change things. A lot of people do. I've donated a bit of change once in a while myself.


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I don't see the racism in RE5, I mean, cliche zombie scenarios don't have the zombies change color. Well, scratch that i guess they do turn green. But that's beside the point, in RE5 that doesn't happen. I mean, you didn't hear racism when the white guy transformed into a bloodsucking Caucasian with formal white people clothes (lol) but as soon as the black person with the spears and hide shields from Africa (which is actually what they use in Africa) comes out, everybody PMS's. Personally, I kind of think that most black people don't care. Its really the other races and the group of never ending period association of clueless mothers (NEPACM)that freak out about this kind of stuff. Its rather ironic.

Sorry if your African American and took offense too that. That is pretty much the definition of ironic.

And, I kind of like the new group name I made, feel free too use it if it applies too your mother and/or you.
 

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So far, most of the reviews I've seen for RE5 have been largely positive, and mostly fail to mention the racism allegations that surfaced when the game was announced.

The Crispy Gamer review, however, is almost exclusively about the racist undertones present in the game: http://www.crispygamer.com/gamereviews/2009-03-12/resident-evil-5-xbox-360.aspx

Sure, the reviewer doesn't think the game is much of a leap past RE4, but the large portion of his problems stem from the perceived racism. Having not played the game and seen only a few videos, I can see where he's coming from (I definitely saw infected Africans with spears and spiked shields) but I wonder if those of you who've played the game were as appalled as this reviewer was.

Honestly, those spear-chucking Africans I saw in the Escapist's own review supplement seemed to be something that would even make Joseph Conrad blush. The Crispy reviewer seems to think this comes out of the global cultural ignorance of Japanese game developers. So, what is this game? A genuine step back from Heart of Darkness, a "teachable moment" for the Japanese game companies, or an overblown controversy?

[Please Note: I am only asking questions. I have not played this game, and only have a brief impression based on videos I've seen online. I'm not wearing my crucifixion pants today, so go somewhere else if you intend to flame.]
but this "crispy gamer" guy was ok with killing Spanish peasants
HES A RACIST AGAINST THE SPANISH! SHUN HIM FROM SOCIETY! TAR AND FEATHER HIM! BEAT HIM AND SEND HIM TO JAIL!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!

my argument is just as valid as his
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
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The only reason it is still with us is because we aren't allowed to let it go. I am not saying to forget what happened and sweep it under the carpet. What I am saying is skin color doesn't matter anymore and the media needs to let this shit go.




Come on they went on for months about Barak pre election. Not because he may be good or bad for America. The only thing you heard was OMG HE IS BLACK.
I don't even think I need to reply to make my point here.
yea, cause the guy is spot on
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
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The only racist things I can see are:

1) Barely dressed, spear wielding, grass skirt wearing, face painted African zombies? There may be ONE person like that left in Africa. Even most of the tribes who still live like tribes have some form of modern clothing on them.
Yeah, it's about as 'authentic' as setting RE6 in Ireland and having a fuckin' zombie leprechaun throw potatoes at you.
Why? do the zombies in this game smoke blunts and drive around Cadillac Escalades while eating fried chicken and corn bread while extending random fingers and slapping hookers around?
No? They don't? Well...whats the racism? How is this any worse than killing the Spanish peasants? Why would the Irish zombies do all of that stuff you said then?
I think we found the real racist here
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Jesus, shake down the Japanese developers then. Go for it, Obama, Jessie Jackson, and Al Sharpton fly over to Japan and bring the UCLA with you so you can all talk it out.
And have an Oprah's Book Club Discussion to sum it all up. Sell the books and keep the UCLA running but to blame racism in this country is ludicrous. Its not any worse than RE4
 

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To say RE5 isn't racist is to say that every town, and or village in Africa has an even number of people from every creed and nation. You also kill a guy a really annoying guy from America. How can it be racist if you have two Americans killing each other?
 

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God forbid they ever set a game in any major metropolitan city....statistics are racist. If I drive downtown...and let's say everyone was zombified....I'd see a bunch of white zombies around the court building and black zombies everywhere else.

Oh, and way to go to all the people that say it's racist to make starving, AIDs-infected people, who live lives of desperation and walk an uphill path through life to reach a plateau of poverty look like starving, AIDs-infected people, who live lives of desperation and walk an uphill path through life to reach a plateau of poverty.

You know, I'm just going to sit back and wait for Capcom to make the obvious right choice: Produce a Resident Evil game, featuring a lesbian wheelchair-bound black woman who just had an abortion because it's her choice to do so and wrote a book about it that led to a sucessful TV talk show who shoots white zombie men who slather their victims with mayonaise before they eat them, line dance while not busy, and complain to their zombie psychologist about having small penises and too much money.
 

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I don't see any racism in the game. The game takes place in Africa so what? This always happens when a movie or game comes out that takes place in a different country.
 

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In other words, before there was KFC, there were stereotypes about black people. One of the most enduring ones is that they are mindless, bloodthirsty hordes.
Wait...where's this coming from? I've never heard of mindless, bloodthirsty hordes of black people.

I've seen more hordes of white people with torches and pitchforks than I've ever even seen black people in my whole life.