Crispy Gamer Calls Out Resident Evil 5's Racism
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I don't think the issue exists I think its fabricated. When were black people considered bloodthirsty zombies? And I had no idea Irish people were always considered potato throwing leprechauns.Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Look, if the Spanish can be zombies, why cant the black people? its not fair that we can kill of the Spanish zombies but not the black ones. The black people have an equal right to be zombies just like every other race.
here is where I stand..
Study Anthropology.. preferably cultural, and social
take a field study to various parts of Africa
note what you see.
Now when I WAS in Africa during Uni I stopped in many many small villages " usually because the bus/car we were crammed into broke constantly"
when I compare that to what I see in RE...there is a very very realistic aspect to it.. sure it may be a hyper-reality realized version but it's a fucking game, they have to do that or it would be a pretty limited game..
one has to remember how poor the nations are, most villages pretty much on level to a scrap yard as far as building material...they use what they can get...( though its largely due to alot of problems with governments not the individual) and there are many many tribes who by choice remain nomadic, or keep to traditions thousands of years old and pretty much avoid the modern world when they can...
And on the same note, in the " modern" villages, many individuals do have relics of their tribal past... it's like a Scottish person in a large city still collecting basket hilts, or claymores....or someone in japan who only makes a katana the traditional way, or collects them as items of importance... a decedent of a zulu living in a village can and often does have spears, shields, clubs and other things of that culture as a symbol of pride, and for celebration attire.
so in an outbreak of a bug leading to semi-zombiefication and a heightened state of aggressive mob/hive mentality...one would assume those people would grab anything, and everything to use as a weapon.
would it be bad if it happened in Pennsylvania and you were attacked by a Amish on a buggy wielding a wooden mallet, or a wood pitch fork?
how about going to the steps of Mongolia and being attacked by horseman with bows, and copper axes?
I think the biggest problem today is that some people want to see fault in everything to be the hero, or to override their own doubts, beliefs, or any number of reasons...but with every cry of wolf, it reopens a wound that IS healing nicely on it's own.
besides the worst outbreaks happened in a " fairly major" U.S city so... is it not fair that everyone get a chance?
Study Anthropology.. preferably cultural, and social
take a field study to various parts of Africa
note what you see.
Now when I WAS in Africa during Uni I stopped in many many small villages " usually because the bus/car we were crammed into broke constantly"
when I compare that to what I see in RE...there is a very very realistic aspect to it.. sure it may be a hyper-reality realized version but it's a fucking game, they have to do that or it would be a pretty limited game..
one has to remember how poor the nations are, most villages pretty much on level to a scrap yard as far as building material...they use what they can get...( though its largely due to alot of problems with governments not the individual) and there are many many tribes who by choice remain nomadic, or keep to traditions thousands of years old and pretty much avoid the modern world when they can...
And on the same note, in the " modern" villages, many individuals do have relics of their tribal past... it's like a Scottish person in a large city still collecting basket hilts, or claymores....or someone in japan who only makes a katana the traditional way, or collects them as items of importance... a decedent of a zulu living in a village can and often does have spears, shields, clubs and other things of that culture as a symbol of pride, and for celebration attire.
so in an outbreak of a bug leading to semi-zombiefication and a heightened state of aggressive mob/hive mentality...one would assume those people would grab anything, and everything to use as a weapon.
would it be bad if it happened in Pennsylvania and you were attacked by a Amish on a buggy wielding a wooden mallet, or a wood pitch fork?
how about going to the steps of Mongolia and being attacked by horseman with bows, and copper axes?
I think the biggest problem today is that some people want to see fault in everything to be the hero, or to override their own doubts, beliefs, or any number of reasons...but with every cry of wolf, it reopens a wound that IS healing nicely on it's own.
besides the worst outbreaks happened in a " fairly major" U.S city so... is it not fair that everyone get a chance?
ok so let me get this straight:
since its about black people (in africa and who could have guessed their would be some their?) its racism towards black?
ok what about this:
they make RE6 in america and have 1 fat zombie are they saying all americans are fat?
grow the fuck up that tard is probly like 7 years old dont advertise for him
since its about black people (in africa and who could have guessed their would be some their?) its racism towards black?
ok what about this:
they make RE6 in america and have 1 fat zombie are they saying all americans are fat?
grow the fuck up that tard is probly like 7 years old dont advertise for him
I want to point out the fact that there are a lot of native tribes still in Africa with little ammounts of gun and instead (shock horror) use TRADITIONAL weapons. This isn't racist, I wish people woud just get over it.
I'll tell you what is racist. Calling out that this is racist. Think about that one for a minute.
I'll tell you what is racist. Calling out that this is racist. Think about that one for a minute.
RacistCheeze_Pavilion said:
I reckon racist because people see that the models are black, and therefore believe that it is racist to have black models, when in fact that is actually saying that 'Black people arn't allowed in video games becauese it might be racist'.
My mind now hurts.
guys, im half black, and i semi agree with the article when you read what it describes
(by the way, i never bought into the original racism debate of a white guy killing black guys since that doesn't really mean much in context)
read this:
"The African zombies, in contrast, look underfed and hollow-eyed. Their lips are puffed and cracked; their bloodshot eyes practically bug out from their skulls. The physical contrast between the game's heroes and villains -- light skin versus dark skin (even Sheva, who's African, is light-skinned); civilized versus savage...
Things get more troubling when a scream erupts from a nearby alleyway, and Chris and Sheva spot a zombie dragging off a white woman by the hair... When they find the woman, something has happened to her. She falls limply into Chris' arms. "Are you OK?" Chris asks repeatedly. The woman, of course, promptly transforms into a zombie. She has been infected.
Chris and Sheva are forced to destroy this abomination. It happens so quickly that you don't really have a chance to unpack what's going on here;... The logical moment-after question is this: What the f*** is a white woman wearing a thigh-length black dress doing wandering around in the middle of this nowhere African village? Did her plane bound for fashion week in Madrid make a wrong turn somewhere?"
i doubt capcom purposely made it racist at all, but you have to admit that scene seems to make little to no sense
as for the spanish zombies, they weren't stereotyped into all wearing sumbreros and eating tacos (wait that the mexican stereotype isn't it?) but you get my point, they just speak spanish and carry pitchfork's but it's never implied that they have a stereotypically spanish lower way of life
as for the normal zombies in resi 1, 2 and 3, there were black zombies as well anyway but if there weren't then if you were uptight, you could just about get away with being offended but it would probably have more to do with repeated character models then implicit racism
anyway, my point is that this game doesnt look racist at all, but capcom could've reviewed it to make sure it wasn't since they were obviously touching upon unstable ground
(by the way, i never bought into the original racism debate of a white guy killing black guys since that doesn't really mean much in context)
read this:
"The African zombies, in contrast, look underfed and hollow-eyed. Their lips are puffed and cracked; their bloodshot eyes practically bug out from their skulls. The physical contrast between the game's heroes and villains -- light skin versus dark skin (even Sheva, who's African, is light-skinned); civilized versus savage...
Things get more troubling when a scream erupts from a nearby alleyway, and Chris and Sheva spot a zombie dragging off a white woman by the hair... When they find the woman, something has happened to her. She falls limply into Chris' arms. "Are you OK?" Chris asks repeatedly. The woman, of course, promptly transforms into a zombie. She has been infected.
Chris and Sheva are forced to destroy this abomination. It happens so quickly that you don't really have a chance to unpack what's going on here;... The logical moment-after question is this: What the f*** is a white woman wearing a thigh-length black dress doing wandering around in the middle of this nowhere African village? Did her plane bound for fashion week in Madrid make a wrong turn somewhere?"
i doubt capcom purposely made it racist at all, but you have to admit that scene seems to make little to no sense
as for the spanish zombies, they weren't stereotyped into all wearing sumbreros and eating tacos (wait that the mexican stereotype isn't it?) but you get my point, they just speak spanish and carry pitchfork's but it's never implied that they have a stereotypically spanish lower way of life
as for the normal zombies in resi 1, 2 and 3, there were black zombies as well anyway but if there weren't then if you were uptight, you could just about get away with being offended but it would probably have more to do with repeated character models then implicit racism
anyway, my point is that this game doesnt look racist at all, but capcom could've reviewed it to make sure it wasn't since they were obviously touching upon unstable ground
No... you see.. YOU are missing the point. That there IS NO POINT. This game is only racist if you can't see past the colors and realize the fact that it isn't racist at all. It is no more racist against blacks than RE2 was racist against whites. Back to one of your older posts:harhol said:
I saw nothing wrong with a White American guy and his buddies going into an American village (where everyone was "infected"), massacring the populace and being portrayed as a hero. I will also note that the white "infected" were portrayed pretty much the same as the black zombies... hell, I think the black zombies are portrayed as smarter, faster, and tougher than the white RE2 zombies!harhol said:
To me, people who see racism in this game are people who are really too attached to the concept of racism. They're so *anti*-racism that they actually become somewhat racist towards non-blacks. It happens everywhere, especially in government, with blacks and minorities and women actually being granted special privileges.
I thought minorities wanted to be EQUAL rights, not SPECIAL rights above and beyond what everyone else gets..
Crispy calls out racist, I call out BS.
Why is it that so many people were perfectly happy to blast the heads of dozens upon dozens of Spaniards to pieces, and yet when it's zombified Africans which are the enemy, people start crying racism?
Racism isn't just about skin colour, as some people clearly don't seem to understand.
Why is it that so many people were perfectly happy to blast the heads of dozens upon dozens of Spaniards to pieces, and yet when it's zombified Africans which are the enemy, people start crying racism?
Racism isn't just about skin colour, as some people clearly don't seem to understand.
Yep if there were white people throughout the whole game whould it make sense at all ?CrafterMan said:
i think it could be because were all used to seeing white peole get killed in many ways
but seeing a black person get killed always raises MORE eyebrows
thats just a very small factor