Critics Ruin Video Games? ?Good!

[Smooth Operator]

Dude, that only makes it more disturbing. Executing a prostitute for her depraved ways is very touchy. It isn't cool. This isn't the kind of thing a normal person is supposed to be "hyped" over. It's a bunch of dudes killing a hooker because she's a slut. You seriously don't see why some people have a problem with that?

- she is a robot
- she just killed 14 civilians
- she is sitting in a pile of corpses with her arm scythes dripping with blood
- "the dudes" are clearly displayed as an enforcement agency, also clearly displayed it is not only men
Therefor we obviously must conclude she was hunted and killed because of her genitalia... obviously.

This is exactly why these discussions can't go anywhere, all sides immediately flip out the moment breasts are in play and then we just watch who can get more absurd with the arguments, or rather stupidity.
Yes there is some really dumb "sell sex" stuff going on in the industry, but when everyone cries wolf all the time these "discussions" are just mindless drivel only appropriate for 4chan and Fox News.

 

[Toy Master Typhus]

What I mean "serious" is that gamers actually don't respect gaming that much. They're willing to reap BENEFITS of "victories" gaming has gotten (such as the Supreme Court saying gaming is protected by the First Amendment), but they're unwilling to actually start taking RESPONSIBILITY and willing to tell the medium to GROW UP. For all we demand that gaming be taken just as seriously as film or literature, we are unwilling to do so by acting like ADULTS. And until then, gaming is truly the bastion of children pretending to be adults

Ok that makes more sense, but I think this is more of a our generation's problem then a gamers problem. The reason being because we have still a loose term for "gamer" the reason being that unlike other mediums where it takes years and hundreds of dollars of mastering different elements, like reading several books before someone recognizes you for being a person of books or watching several movies before being a person of movies if you play just ONE video game you are thrown into the gamer crowd. Now why we can't go around judging people because of how many game they play? Because of the "Gamer Girl" incident at conventions. The people who are trying to get games taken seriously are really the same amount of people we see on The Escapist, A minority.

This is a society problem of our generation because this kind of as-nite behavior isn't limited to people who play video games, It is across the entire god damned internet. Not everyone on the internet is a gamer, I mean look at the comments sections in Fox news or Yahoo; it is just a giant cluster of madness and hate And I think the reason of this is because partly like you said they are unwilling to take responsibility, and because they don't have too. I mean what is the worse that happens to you over the internet if you say something? Flame war?

 

[Froggy Slayer]

Technically, if it's a robot it isn't a chick. It just LOOKS like a chick. I don't see sexism here, I see a reasonable reaction to the fucking MURDER PSYCHOBOT.

 

[Thoric485]

I love how the Cyberpunk trailer shows off art style, setting, architecture, weaponry, the key theme of trans-humanism and keeping order in such a society, and still all some people take away is seeing cleavage and panties. Even though they don't show the woman's body until halfway through the video (big no-no in Sex Marketing 101), and when they do show it, it coincides with the reveal of the carnage around her, and realistically there's not even a whole woman there, just a brain, a nervous system, and some other internal organs suspended in a metal shell.

But no, her position must be submissive just for the purpose of showing women their rightful place in society, the lack of breast-shaped body armor and pink visors means all of the cops shooting at her are male, the Psycho Squad guy's exposed pecs and chiseled jaw are there to perpetuate the male power fantasy, not something a woman would ever find attractive. And that stream of bullets in the beginning is the worst offender - a clear-cut metaphor for bukkake.

And anyone who disagrees is a sexist racist homophobic virgin neckbeard teenage fratboy who doesn't want games to be art.

 

[JudgeGame]

You are completely missing what is being said here

The fact that it is a hooker represents the carnal desire of lust. The make up and revealing dress represent envy.

She isn't being executed/conformed because she feels lust/envy. She is being executed/conformed acting upon base human desires in such a way that it is harmful to society. The policeman being a symbol of the authority of society. It is something we do in reality as well. it is the difference between the guy who looks at a hot babe and the guy who goes and rapes her. Both involves lust, yet lust isn't the crime here. Right here she has gone on a rampage killing multiple people. Why did she go on a rampage? Doesn't really matter. It is the fact that she felt like doing it and that technology enabled her.

You are completely misunderstanding everything I just said.

You going
Executing a prostitute for her depraved ways is very touchy.
make me think you are trying to lead the subject back in order to vindicate your sources failure to understand the subject matter that is being talked about.

Prostitute or not. If you are sitting on a pile of bodies wielding bloody weapons, who you are becomes completely irrelevant to the situation.

- she is a robot
- she just killed 14 civilians
- she is sitting in a pile of corpses with her arm scythes dripping with blood
- "the dudes" are clearly displayed as an enforcement agency, also clearly displayed it is not only men
Therefor we obviously must conclude she was hunted and killed because of her genitalia... obviously.

This is exactly why these discussions can't go anywhere, all sides immediately flip out the moment breasts are in play and then we just watch who can get more absurd with the arguments, or rather stupidity.
Yes there is some really dumb "sell sex" stuff going on in the industry, but when everyone cries wolf all the time these "discussions" are just mindless drivel only appropriate for 4chan and Fox News.

I'm willing to listen. I'm prepared to take your word that the prostitute did in fact kill a bunch of people. That information isn't relayed in the video. I assumed the people firing bullets at the corpses killed the corpses. In my opinion, they could have made the effort to make that clear to anyone who saw the ad. I suppose, if you have prior knowledge to the universe of Cyberpunk 2077 you wcould infer all that.

This is the same problem the article I linked was talking about. Instead of marketing their product at a large audience, they concentrate on a small group and marginalize everyone else. I'd be surprised if they even bothered screening this ad to a random audience to gauge their reaction.

If I am to accept that interpretation, it's terrible composition and real amateur directing. The first thing you see are the woman and the bullet hitting her. Next you see the police who are in formation for some reason even though she only just saw them. Next we see the bullets AND the bloodied corpses which would help us make a false association. Half-way into the video, we see the "scythes" which I didn't recognize as such. To be honest, I had no idea what they were supposed to be until you mentioned it. I could moan about how structurally unsound they look and how ineffective they would be as combat weapons but hey it's sci-fi so I would be prepared to meet the trailer half-way if it at least told me they were weapons. Finally, we see the policeman pointing a gun to the back of her skull, which doesn't make any sense since he's in the line of fire but if we just ignore that it still looks pretty disturbing and not the kind of thing I would find exciting or epic. To most people it's just a bunch of fascist cops executing some random woman war lord style, all in beautifully rendered slo-mo cam so we know it is awesome.

I really can't see why anyone thought it was this scene that would sell the game, I would have chosen something more action-y, less morally compromising.

 

[Dr. Cakey]

Skim, skim, Dead Island, skim, skim, made-uppy chart that has nothing to do with reality, skim, skim, misinterpreted trailer, skim, some dumb CoD trailer or something, skim, the end.

Yeah I'm not feeling it. I'm tempted to drop a "2/10 would not bang" just to be a troll, but I think something more along the lines of "5/10 good effort, try again next time" is more accurate.

Eh, I though I had something more substantive to say, but when I glanced at the article I couldn't remember what it was. I also wanted to do this thing where I listed a bunch of things with like seemingly strong female characters and stuff and be like "Sexist!" and then list a bunch of things about like strippers and be like "Not Sexist!" and then the whole Escapist community would be like "Dr. Cakey, we understand now! You have showered your wisdom upon us!" but then I realized all my examples were anime and almost no one would get it. Then I cried.

 

[JudgeGame]

You really don't know anything about the source material, do you?

No, the C-Squad in NIght City do not go around gunning down hookers "for their sins." For fuck's sake, given Night City's anime-level crime problem, prostitution doesn't even warrant enforcement let alone deploying the most heavily armed and armored band of trigger happy cops the city has. The Cyber Psycho unit is only called out when someone suffers from a very specific form of psychotic rage and begins slaughtering people for being filthy fleshbags that are using up his or her oxygen.

As I just kind of said in an earlier post, why the heck is this trailer asking me to know about a whole other board game? If they are planning to sell over a hundred thousand copies, it's safe to assume they need to market this game to a very large crowd. Regardless, I think it is plain lazy to put out an entire trailer with no context around it. A few weeks later I found out it was based on a board game thanks to a friend, no thanks to the Cyberpunk 2077 marketing department.

 

[JudgeGame]

I'm willing to listen. I'm prepared to take your word that the prostitute did in fact kill a bunch of people. That information isn't relayed in the video. I assumed the people firing bullets at the corpses killed the corpses. In my opinion, they could have made the effort to make that clear to anyone who saw the ad. I suppose, if you have prior knowledge to the universe of Cyberpunk 2077 you wcould infer all that.

This is the same problem the article I linked was talking about. Instead of marketing their product at a large audience, they concentrate on a small group and marginalize everyone else. I'd be surprised if they even bothered screening this ad to a random audience to gauge their reaction.

If I am to accept that interpretation, it's terrible composition and real amateur directing. The first thing you see are the woman and the bullet hitting her. Next you see the police who are in formation for some reason even though she only just saw them. Next we see the bullets AND the bloodied corpses which would help us make a false association. Half-way into the video, we see the "scythes" which I didn't recognize as such. To be honest, I had no idea what they were supposed to be until you mentioned it. I could moan about how structurally unsound they look and how ineffective they would be as combat weapons but hey it's sci-fi so I would be prepared to meet the trailer half-way if it at least told me they were weapons. Finally, we see the policeman pointing a gun to the back of her skull, which doesn't make any sense since he's in the line of fire but if we just ignore that it still looks pretty disturbing and not the kind of thing I would find exciting or epic. To most people it's just a bunch of fascist cops executing some random woman war lord style, all in beautifully rendered slo-mo cam so we know it is awesome.

I really can't see why anyone thought it was this scene that would sell the game, I would have chosen something more action-y, less morally compromising.

Ok now you are not even trying.

I am thinking you havn't even seen the trailer then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P99qJGrPNLs

1:14 in.
News reporter "14 people are dead. 4 have suffered serious injuries. Police have a suspect"/cut off

I am not going to waste my time trying to reason with a guy talking out of his ass.

I hope you are taking the piss. Not only did I not hear that the last 3 times I watched it, I can barely understand that line now that you've pointed it out. Again, really shit sound editing. You'd think that was the most important piece of information in the whole scene and it's just a murmur over music and interference and near the end of the trailer to boot. This garbage isn't worth defending.

 

[JudgeGame]

-snip-

This is the point where I think you're trying to make fun of me. Do you seriously expect anybody to go read up on a trailer? A trailer is advertising. It's an undesirable audio-visual nuisance we have to put up with to get to entertainment. What possible motivation could a human being have to waste time reading a bunch of text in regards to an advert that they didn't even like? Did you really need me to say this?

 

[JudgeGame]

I'm willing to listen. I'm prepared to take your word that the prostitute did in fact kill a bunch of people. That information isn't relayed in the video.

So you just assumed those giant, red-liquid-covered armblades were just kitchen ustensils used to cut tomatoes?

Then I'm sorry to say that the problem lies with you, not the trailer.

They didn't look like blades at all, let alone weapons. It just looked like her arms had begun to break apart from the volley of shots she just received from the police.