Critics Ruin Video Games? ?Good!

[DoPo]

On the article itself it seemed to try and raise some good points but is dragged down by some blatant factual errors, out of context examples and a confrontational tone which make me question the intent of this article. I feel that this article may be trying to provoke an angry reaction rather than facilitate a discussion on the issue.

I reached the same conclusion and just couldn't finish it - I got halfway through it. Well it's either that or the author didn't make the effort to make his intentions clear. It would hint at pretty bad composition and writing skills.

 

[LordLundar]

While there is merit to the discussion and it should be explored in more detail by rational people on both sides, the author is not one of those people. Much like Sarkeesian's actions, there's a lot in that article that is meant to do little more than add fuel to the bonfire about the debate. This article is not meant to promote rational debate, it's instead meant to throw the industry on the defensive again and claim that it doesn't want to discuss the issue.

Both sides need to stop acting like petulant little children and start discussing things like rational adults. Opponents to this need to stop exaggerating things to make the industry seem worse than it is and the industry needs to stop huddling in the corner whenever confronted with rational discussion.

 

[Frostbite3789]

I don't recall at any point saying the trailer was sexist. You are the one who claimed "The hooker represents hedonism and anarchy. A "pleasure" girl showing off different aspects of human carnal desires of lust and envy," and all I said is that that interpretation sounds disturbing. I do think the tone of the trailer aswell as the dozen other things I've mentioned are pretty lazy and bad quality.

What do you want me to say? The news snippet is barely audible, the trailer makes no damn sense and the notion that I'm supposed to go away and do research after watching an advert is ludicrous. You are defending an advert that fails on every conceivable level to perform the functions expected of an advert and on top of that it has a truly disturbing ending shot.

...except that's not even the end of the trailer. You really didn't watch it. This is disgustingly funny. I'm not convinced you're not the dude who runs that site. Because you're making the EXACT same misinformed arguments. The site which has a few shock value articles, then half the front page stuff is him promoting his own art and some project on indiegogo.

After reading some of the 'essays'/articles, that site has one of the most misleading titles ever. He just complains and never puts forth a solution.

 

[Erttheking]

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I know I know, someone else already called me out on it. God, I seriously need to learn to keep my fucking mouth shut. Every time, EVERY FUCKING TIME I open it, what comes out amounts to solid waste.

 

[The Artificially Prolonged]

On the article itself it seemed to try and raise some good points but is dragged down by some blatant factual errors, out of context examples and a confrontational tone which make me question the intent of this article. I feel that this article may be trying to provoke an angry reaction rather than facilitate a discussion on the issue.

I reached the same conclusion and just couldn't finish it - I got halfway through it. Well it's either that or the author didn't make the effort to make his intentions clear. It would hint at pretty bad composition and writing skills.

Yeah the layout of the argument is quite poor, honestly it feels more rushed than anything. None the examples points are really fully explained, just mentioned in passing with a picture and the sub headings seemed to jump about a bit without any real flow. On the positive side the formatting on the charts looked quite nice, couldn't fathom the point of them but they where nice

 

[Best of the 3]

You guys are overthinking this. It doesn't matter if the cyborg chick is the villain or not, or that the cops are fascists or not.

The perspective of fictional characters does NOT represent the views of the creators. Disclaimers of that nature are fairly common for good reason it seems. This is FICTION afteral and complaining about the presence of evil in a fictional setting, is like complaining there's swastikas and nazis in a WW2 movie.
While fiction can go wrong, if it goes all political and the intended message is also backwards, at this point nothing suggests anything like that.

Just some shock value here. No big deal.
This stuff will probably sell and that's the bottom line.

This sexism in fiction complaint is one lost cause I don't mind seeing crashing against the cliffs.

I'm tired of people pretending that in the medium of videogames tone doesn't apply.

Well that's unfortunate for you, but unless you can prove some kind of sinister propaganda going on here, you won't get anywhere.
Boobs are allowed and boobs sell. You cannot fight this thing. Even if you boycott such games, there's a big enough audience that doesn't care or even loves this shit.

That's not what I'm talking about at all. Tone is just the emotions that the creator is trying to convey through stylistic choices.

Are you really trying to apply logic to games? To fantasy and imagination?

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[JudgeGame]

I don't recall at any point saying the trailer was sexist. You are the one who claimed "The hooker represents hedonism and anarchy. A "pleasure" girl showing off different aspects of human carnal desires of lust and envy," and all I said is that that interpretation sounds disturbing. I do think the tone of the trailer aswell as the dozen other things I've mentioned are pretty lazy and bad quality.

What do you want me to say? The news snippet is barely audible, the trailer makes no damn sense and the notion that I'm supposed to go away and do research after watching an advert is ludicrous. You are defending an advert that fails on every conceivable level to perform the functions expected of an advert and on top of that it has a truly disturbing ending shot.

...except that's not even the end of the trailer. You really didn't watch it. This is disgustingly funny. I'm not convinced you're not the dude who runs that site. Because you're making the EXACT same misinformed arguments. The site which has a few shock value articles, then half the front page stuff is him promoting his own art and some project on indiegogo.

After reading some of the 'essays'/articles, that site has one of the most misleading titles ever. He just complains and never puts forth a solution.

Do you want a solution? Stop doing it. There.

 

[veloper]

You guys are overthinking this. It doesn't matter if the cyborg chick is the villain or not, or that the cops are fascists or not.

The perspective of fictional characters does NOT represent the views of the creators. Disclaimers of that nature are fairly common for good reason it seems. This is FICTION afteral and complaining about the presence of evil in a fictional setting, is like complaining there's swastikas and nazis in a WW2 movie.
While fiction can go wrong, if it goes all political and the intended message is also backwards, at this point nothing suggests anything like that.

Just some shock value here. No big deal.
This stuff will probably sell and that's the bottom line.

This sexism in fiction complaint is one lost cause I don't mind seeing crashing against the cliffs.

I'm tired of people pretending that in the medium of videogames tone doesn't apply.

Well that's unfortunate for you, but unless you can prove some kind of sinister propaganda going on here, you won't get anywhere.
Boobs are allowed and boobs sell. You cannot fight this thing. Even if you boycott such games, there's a big enough audience that doesn't care or even loves this shit.

That's not what I'm talking about at all. Tone is just the emotions that the creator is trying to convey through stylistic choices.

There's manga artists who draw tentacle rape scenes to intentionally convey sadistic power over young women and teenagers and they get away with that too. Not my thing, but there's even a niche for that shit.
This mild, titilating cyberpunk stuff is just mainstream advertisement.

Where it has no place in civil society, the forbidden thought finds it's home in the realm of fantasy. Gamers don't turn to videogames in search for conformity and morality. Games is where we can let ourselves go without harming anyone.

 

[Frostbite3789]

Do you want a solution? Stop doing it. There.

Stop doing bad game design? Oh...oh my god why didn't anyone think of this before? You sir are a genius, call every video game dev ever. The solution to 'bad game design' is to just stop doing it.

 

[Twilight_guy]

I tried to read the article. It's almost immediate venture from informative to emotionally charged and angry caused me to immediately discount it. I skimmed further down and what I saw only seemed to be an angry and misguided assault on a perceived injustice rather then anything worth reading. From reviewing other posts here, it doesn't look there was anything worth reading anyways.

 

[Frostbite3789]

Me too. I just cannot, for the life of me, understand the hype around it. Oh, it's a trailer that shows absolutely zero and almost no relevant or understandable gameplay. I'm just flooded with confidence. Hang on, I'm wrong to by cynical because it uses the word "cyberpunk". Well then, guess that proves me wrong! Srsly, wtf?

It's a new series from CD Projekt Red, the dev studio that brought us The Witcher series. And they're tackling an all new interesting looking setting.

That's why everyone is hyped. Research es #1 2muchard?

 

[DoPo]

Oh, it's a trailer that shows absolutely zero and almost no relevant or understandable gameplay. I'm just flooded with confidence. Hang on, I'm wrong to by cynical because it uses the word "cyberpunk". Well then, guess that proves me wrong! Srsly, wtf?

I wander why you used that "almost" there - it shows no gameplay at all...or at least I thought so. It's a teaser trailer plenty of games have gotten those - just a short "Snippet of our game - mostly art, though" from the devs. I don't think many teasers actually show much of...anything about the game - gameplay, graphics, story, nothing - at best you're hoping to see a main character or some of the setting.

 

[JudgeGame]

You guys are overthinking this. It doesn't matter if the cyborg chick is the villain or not, or that the cops are fascists or not.

The perspective of fictional characters does NOT represent the views of the creators. Disclaimers of that nature are fairly common for good reason it seems. This is FICTION afteral and complaining about the presence of evil in a fictional setting, is like complaining there's swastikas and nazis in a WW2 movie.
While fiction can go wrong, if it goes all political and the intended message is also backwards, at this point nothing suggests anything like that.

Just some shock value here. No big deal.
This stuff will probably sell and that's the bottom line.

This sexism in fiction complaint is one lost cause I don't mind seeing crashing against the cliffs.

I'm tired of people pretending that in the medium of videogames tone doesn't apply.

Well that's unfortunate for you, but unless you can prove some kind of sinister propaganda going on here, you won't get anywhere.
Boobs are allowed and boobs sell. You cannot fight this thing. Even if you boycott such games, there's a big enough audience that doesn't care or even loves this shit.

That's not what I'm talking about at all. Tone is just the emotions that the creator is trying to convey through stylistic choices.

There's manga artists who draw tentacle rape scenes to intentionally convey sadistic power over young women and teenagers and they get away with that too. Not my thing, but there's even a niche for that shit.
This mild, titilating cyberpunk stuff is just mainstream advertisement.

Where it has no place in civil society, the forbidden thought finds it's home in the realm of fantasy. Gamers don't turn to videogames in search for conformity and morality. Games is where we can let ourselves go without harming anyone.

I'm sorry I can't continue talking to you. You're creeping me out.

 

[JudgeGame]

Do you want a solution? Stop doing it. There.

Stop doing bad game design? Oh...oh my god why didn't anyone think of this before? You sir are a genius, call every video game dev ever. The solution to 'bad game design' is to just stop doing it.

I'm assuming that the "moaning" you are referring to are the criticisms of pervasive misogyny and racism in videogames. That isn't game design.

The articles that are strictly about game design contain very little "moaning".

 

[DoPo]

It's a new series from CD Projekt Red, the dev studio that brought us The Witcher series. And they're tackling an all new interesting looking setting.

While it may be interesting looking, it's not new at all - Cyberpunk as a game has been around for 25 years now, maybe not of the oldest RPGs but certainly not a new one. And it's based on largely cyberpunk literature - William Gibson, Bruce Sterling and several others authors who defined the genre about brilliant illegal hackers, faceless governments and large corporations, cybernetics running rampant and the like. Cyberpunk 2013 (and later 2020) just...continued the trend and applied it on the PnP games. Shadowrun probably has more fame but it's essentially the same in terms of cyberpunk, it just adds in magic and elves to the mix.