Crysis 2 has been leaked, is even now being pirated by thousands of unscrupulous souls.

[Tdc2182]

Wow those pirates are in for a shock, I only had to play the demo and wanted my time back.
Seriously not suprised they pirate anything, though this is early ph well what can you do.

Ehh, Multiplayer was pretty terrible compared to the rest of the game though.

Well, maybe not terrible, just lacking originality that a game like Crysis should have.

 

[Trolldor]

I'll never understand why people are morally outraged about piracy. I pirate games all of the time, I'm sure it hurts the industry, but in the end it simply doesnt matter. Video games are a very profitable business and piracy just isnt going change that.

This bullshit attitude is precisely what injures the consumer. The only reason I didn't argue against piracy was because of the excessive measures that were ultimately ineffective. You and your ilk have very quickly made me change my mind.

 

[Radeonx]

Given I did exaggerate there but they've still taken money from the developers and the publishers. If they weren't going to buy the game then they shouldn't get it for free, that's not how this thing works, even the 'communist' argument disagrees with that.

I'm not really saying that they should get the game for free, just that Crytek, while still damaged, isn't being damaged nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are going to be.

And for the record (This is pretty much my opinion on the subject, so if you disagree with me then feel free to), I don't really find that pirating is taking real money from a developer. In my honest opinion, pirating is only stealing potential money. No item is being removed from their possession. I'll use the copying scenario. If you walk into a store, and steal a candy bar, you are taking the cost of the candy bar from that store. If you walk into a store and copy the candy bar, and take the copy, you are still stealing, but the store doesn't lose any real money.

Granted, it is still stealing, and the potential money could have been real money, so I understand where you are coming from completely.

I'm sorry but every single one of your posts has infuriated me. How can you say it's not taking money away from the dev? It's clearly relinquishing a potential customer from the need to part with his/her money. They're getting the game for FREE. Yes it's not stealing, but it's just as damaging.

Also, the candy bar metaphor you used is completely redundant. First of all, yes the store lose the money they would have got from you. Also, a candy bar doesn't take millions of dollars to produce.

Potential money isn't money.
You can't go into a store and buy something with potential money.
Therefore, real money isn't being stolen. The chance to make money is being stolen. That doesn't mean that piracy is okay, it is far from it, but it isn't as damaging to the developers as everyone is making it out to be.

Dude seriously. Crysis 2, and any other game that is released is unique. To experience it, you have to buy it. If you're getting it for free, no matter how you do it, its harming those who made it. Simple as that.

Shooting down my argument with "No, you're wrong." and giving me no evidence doesn't make you right.

ok say you want to buy game x. You can spend $40 or whatever and get it, or you can get it for free from some guy on the net. Devs lose the $40 you would have spent. No, they don't physically "lose" the money, but in the same way films depend on huge returns to pay the actors and crew etc, studios depend on huge returns to pay the developers. So they have in fact lost $40 they would have had to pay the devs.

They don't lose anything at all. No money is being taken out of pocket. If anything, they are losing money in an incredibly indirect way, but even then, it is a stretch.

Say that I was never going to buy the game at all (Blah blah blah if you don't wanna buy it don't pirate it, let's just use this in a hypothetical situation), therefore, they were never going to get the $40. I'm taking a copy of the game. They still hold the same number of discs shipped out, and the same number of copies sold. There isn't a loss in inventory. There isn't a loss in money.
Sure, it is a pretty dick move if you are taking all of their hard work for free, but it does no direct damage to them other than pissing them off.

I am not directly stealing from the companies if I pirate a game. I am taking a copy. It isn't the same thing.

 

[CarbonEagle]

I REALLY hope that this release has a virus in it that nukes all computers with it the day before the release. There is NO excuse for pirating this and it makes me furious.

Excuse #1: It's been leaked before a demo was available
Excuse #2: Perhaps the demo will be only multiplayer and some people want to demo the singleplayer.

There's two excuses, right there.

#1 Theres no need to try a game a month and a half before the release, especially if the demo will be out before the game goes on sale. Wait a few weeks.
#2 Your assuming there is no singleplayer demo. The least you can do is wait till the demo comes out and you know its multiplayer only. Not to mention issues in multiplayer usually mean similar issues in singleplayer so you can narrow it down alot with a multiplayer demo.

Theres no GOOD excuse for pirating this.

Also if its missing textures (which i think i read somewhere) it may have been purposely released. You would imagine that they would have finished that by now.

 

[Radeonx]

I don't know if you're being sincere or not, but thanks.
I can't wait to be a useless piece of shit all day and defend piracy.
Fuck im falling down all these analogies
IT KEEPS HAPPENING

Did you try reading my posts in this thread to try and work out my position on the matter?

Also wut

And it's not so much defending piracy as it is getting pissed off at all the high-and-mighty attitudes of other people who dismiss piracy as somewhere on the level of genocide on the grand scale of things.

Honestly, no, I didn't read the rest, but now I see that you were indeed sincere.
It's a reference to a webcomic, nevermind.
That attitude is unfortunately prevalent on this website and indeed in real life as well. We've become brainwashed into thinking that the minute we don't have to pay for something it is immediately perverse and strange. What? Somebody is NOT trying to wring money out of me? This can't be right.
Yeah, it sucks that that person isn't getting money for, say, that poor college student who is playing the game without paying for it, but hey, he's enjoying the product. Would he buy it if he couldn't get it for free? Hell no, he's poor as shit. At least if the product is good he can spread the word to his better-off friends or blog readers, who will then buy it.
That's how I see it, anyway.

Have fun trying to convey that point to 3/4 of the people here. They see "pirating" and associate it with "DRM" and anything else they don't like and then suddenly you are akin to someone on the level of a murderer. I mean, if anything, I'd say that piracy is a dick move. In my honest opinion, it definitely isn't theft.

 

[Klepa]

Too bad for Crytek, especially as they are apparently releasing a PC demo, afterall.

I can't really say I'm in tears, I never felt Crytek games were much more than glorified tech demos. This kind of stuff still sucks for the devs, though.

 

[Radeonx]

I'll never understand why people are morally outraged about piracy. I pirate games all of the time, I'm sure it hurts the industry, but in the end it simply doesnt matter. Video games are a very profitable business and piracy just isnt going change that.

This bullshit attitude is precisely what injures the consumer. The only reason I didn't argue against piracy was because of the excessive measures that were ultimately ineffective. You and your ilk have very quickly made me change my mind.

That's an incredibly big generalization to make. There are tons of different types of pirates. Sure, some will be douchebags about it, but others are not. Lumping everyone together is just small minded, ignorant, and stupid.

 

[WestMountain]

Didn't Half-Life 2 have the same "problem"? and did it sell bad?


No.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

i'm not saying the person who let it go shouldn't be having a boot to the ass

and in your example, if people were just standing there admiring it, (they weren't using it for power or using it to stay warm a.k.a. a game), i'd be righteously pissed off at them for not helping get it out!

Would you? I would watch as the fire brigade tried to put it out, as they're both more qualified and have better equipment than I, especially since I know that it's an abandoned building that still makes money for some people.

i actually would! maybe i'm just odd but if i see a fire, i'm going to try and do what i can to help put it out, whether its getting people away from it or helping them get water/etc..(plus i didn't know you were going to have the firefighters in the initial example)

but yes i would help

You're kind of missing the point.
You don't blame those who are watching the massive inferno of an abandoned building. Sure, you can get kinda pissy at them, but ultimately, it isn't their fault. It's the fault of the person who started the fire. In this case, the person who stole it and leaked it.

I'm not saying it is the pirates faults, however the game industry (publishers) will see what has happened here and see how many pirates already got there hands on this alone, therefore not want to look into pushing into the pc market.

I get what your saying, and I get what you meant by your example, I'm just getting at that the publishers won't look at this in the same light that we do, and if you want them to make games for the pc, then you gotta "play ball in there park" (my gpa used to love using that quote)


p.s.
my captcha was "ffing salmankoy"

weird.

 

[Doctor Glocktor]

The pirates should get in just as much trouble for stealing them as the guy who leaked it.

Why? Some guy posted a leaked copy of an item that could not be procured elsewhere, why wouldn't they take advantage of that?
It's like when artists leak out their music months early to generate hype, except it's kind of a surprise for everyone involved in this case.

They shouldn't take advantage of it because they're still stealing the product, even if someone else enabled them to do so.

Its nothing like that. Its more like the artists friend giving out free copies behind the artists back, and without his permission.

How are they stealing anything? It's not for sale. Someone else stole it and then distributed it. Like a bank robber robbing a bank and throwing the cash to the wind. You can't blame the people who pick up the money, only the robber for stealing then distributing it.
And it's a lot like that. Multiplayer will be salvaged from this, and those who downloaded the game may buy the game for the multiplayer feature if they so choose. Do you honestly believe those that won't would have bought the game anyway?

In the case of your metaphor, yeah, its still stealing, because you are taking stolen money. Regardless of who got it for you, it was stolen, and you taking it is still stealing.

And no, honestly, I don't. I really, really don't. I personally know a bunch of pirates, they haven't bought the full game for the games they pirated. Why should a bunch on the internet be any different?

 

[Radeonx]

They don't lose anything at all. No money is being taken out of pocket. If anything, they are losing money in an incredibly indirect way, but even then, it is a stretch.

Rubbish.
Absolute tosh.
They do lose money. They rely on legitimate purchases to cover development cost, distribution costs, marketing and license fees (where applicable).

They also require legitimate purchases to fund profits which will in turn fund future projects.

Piracy harms this process, advocates of piracy don't realise how blindly stupid they're being.

You are describing a developer not gaining money. There is a difference between that and losing it.

They are losing the potential to gain money, not actual money.
And I'm not advocating piracy. I don't pirate, and I don't plan on doing so. I see why it is wrong, and I can understand that, I just don't like people who are against it say the same thing over and over again when I disagree with it.

 

[The Random One]

Wow those pirates are in for a shock, I only had to play the demo and wanted my time back.

Heh, my thoughts exactly.

I played the demo and didn't think it too bad, but I wouldn't use the word 'polished' to describe it. If this is true, whatever final version pirates have is far from final.

 

[cocoadog]

Why?
Why can't people just wait?
Why do pirates ruin everything just for the sake of it?
Why did this happen?

This is beyond bad, this is horrific and disgusting. True art is made with care and effort. Pirates just come in, steal it, and call it theres just because they hold it.
Anyone how downloads it NOW is a thief, and deserves every punishment.
It makes me sad, to think people can reach suck low points and be proud of it.
Full price for me.

Why don't they just dedicate time and effort to stopping pirating all together? We don't need a thousand articles a day about it. People like free stuff. Especially when they can get it with three mouse clicks. People will never change. If it is available it will be taken. So on and so forth.

P.S the demo for crysis 2 blew goats so hard it's insulting to call it art.

 

[some1stolemyusername]

So, you think you deserve a game, a privilege that costs money, free of charge because you don't like the price? What?

Also, the demo says hi.

nay, I am trying to explain one thought process that occurs in these decisions. if they want to put a premium on the game strictly due to location, then they can shove it. how is their theft and prejudice any different. and extrapolating from trolldor's pov, to some this is the only method they can afford to have access to new software, and so will take this path. not everyone can sink 60-100$ into a game willy nilly.

also, fuck the demo. 10 minutes of gameplay is not indicative of its intrinsic value.

for the record, i do not think i am entitled or deserve anything. i am not interested in it. Crysis suck balls enough for me

 

[Plazmatic]

You see, how does this help anyone? There's already a demo so you can't use the "try before you buy" excuse.

This is literally just for those looking for a free lunch and all it does is convince the industry that further anti-piracy restrictions are necessary, which leads to Ubisoft DRM. Do we want that again?

Is there a PC Demo?