Crysis 2 has been leaked, is even now being pirated by thousands of unscrupulous souls.

[CarbonEagle]

I REALLY hope that this release has a virus in it that nukes all computers with it the day before the release. There is NO excuse for pirating this and it makes me furious.

 

[Radeonx]

Given I did exaggerate there but they've still taken money from the developers and the publishers. If they weren't going to buy the game then they shouldn't get it for free, that's not how this thing works, even the 'communist' argument disagrees with that.

I'm not really saying that they should get the game for free, just that Crytek, while still damaged, isn't being damaged nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are going to be.

And for the record (This is pretty much my opinion on the subject, so if you disagree with me then feel free to), I don't really find that pirating is taking real money from a developer. In my honest opinion, pirating is only stealing potential money. No item is being removed from their possession. I'll use the copying scenario. If you walk into a store, and steal a candy bar, you are taking the cost of the candy bar from that store. If you walk into a store and copy the candy bar, and take the copy, you are still stealing, but the store doesn't lose any real money.

Granted, it is still stealing, and the potential money could have been real money, so I understand where you are coming from completely.

I'm sorry but every single one of your posts has infuriated me. How can you say it's not taking money away from the dev? It's clearly relinquishing a potential customer from the need to part with his/her money. They're getting the game for FREE. Yes it's not stealing, but it's just as damaging.

Also, the candy bar metaphor you used is completely redundant. First of all, yes the store lose the money they would have got from you. Also, a candy bar doesn't take millions of dollars to produce.

Potential money isn't money.
You can't go into a store and buy something with potential money.
Therefore, real money isn't being stolen. The chance to make money is being stolen. That doesn't mean that piracy is okay, it is far from it, but it isn't as damaging to the developers as everyone is making it out to be.
Not saying that it isn't damaging, because something like this can be, but it isn't as bad as it seems. And for proof of this, check any Triple A title released in the last year that sold tons of copies. Most of them were up for pirating 2-3 weeks before official release.

 

[Angryman101]

i'm not saying the person who let it go shouldn't be having a boot to the ass

and in your example, if people were just standing there admiring it, (they weren't using it for power or using it to stay warm a.k.a. a game), i'd be righteously pissed off at them for not helping get it out!

Would you? I would watch as the fire brigade tried to put it out, as they're both more qualified and have better equipment than I, especially since I know that it's an abandoned building that still makes money for some people.

i actually would! maybe i'm just odd but if i see a fire, i'm going to try and do what i can to help put it out, whether its getting people away from it or helping them get water/etc..(plus i didn't know you were going to have the firefighters in the initial example)

but yes i would help

You're kind of missing the point.
You don't blame those who are watching the massive inferno of an abandoned building. Sure, you can get kinda pissy at them, but ultimately, it isn't their fault. It's the fault of the person who started the fire. In this case, the person who stole it and leaked it.

 

[Radeonx]

How are they stealing anything? It's not for sale. Someone else stole it and then distributed it. Like a bank robber robbing a bank and throwing the cash to the wind. You can't blame the people who pick up the money, only the robber for stealing then distributing it.
And it's a lot like that. Multiplayer will be salvaged from this, and those who downloaded the game may buy the game for the multiplayer feature if they so choose. Do you honestly believe those that won't would have bought the game anyway?

That is the most interesting piracy metaphor I've ever seen. How thought provoking, well done old chap.

I'll agree with you.
My old favorite was comparing it to libraries, how you can get free books and the authors get absolutely no profit from it whatsoever, but I far prefer this one.

 

[MegatonDesign]

Given I did exaggerate there but they've still taken money from the developers and the publishers. If they weren't going to buy the game then they shouldn't get it for free, that's not how this thing works, even the 'communist' argument disagrees with that.

I'm not really saying that they should get the game for free, just that Crytek, while still damaged, isn't being damaged nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are going to be.

And for the record (This is pretty much my opinion on the subject, so if you disagree with me then feel free to), I don't really find that pirating is taking real money from a developer. In my honest opinion, pirating is only stealing potential money. No item is being removed from their possession. I'll use the copying scenario. If you walk into a store, and steal a candy bar, you are taking the cost of the candy bar from that store. If you walk into a store and copy the candy bar, and take the copy, you are still stealing, but the store doesn't lose any real money.

Granted, it is still stealing, and the potential money could have been real money, so I understand where you are coming from completely.

I'm sorry but every single one of your posts has infuriated me. How can you say it's not taking money away from the dev? It's clearly relinquishing a potential customer from the need to part with his/her money. They're getting the game for FREE. Yes it's not stealing, but it's just as damaging.

Also, the candy bar metaphor you used is completely redundant. First of all, yes the store lose the money they would have got from you. Also, a candy bar doesn't take millions of dollars to produce.

Potential money isn't money.
You can't go into a store and buy something with potential money.
Therefore, real money isn't being stolen. The chance to make money is being stolen. That doesn't mean that piracy is okay, it is far from it, but it isn't as damaging to the developers as everyone is making it out to be.

Dude seriously. Crysis 2, and any other game that is released is unique. To experience it, you have to buy it. If you're getting it for free, no matter how you do it, its harming those who made it. Simple as that.

 

[Angryman101]

How are they stealing anything? It's not for sale. Someone else stole it and then distributed it. Like a bank robber robbing a bank and throwing the cash to the wind. You can't blame the people who pick up the money, only the robber for stealing then distributing it.
And it's a lot like that. Multiplayer will be salvaged from this, and those who downloaded the game may buy the game for the multiplayer feature if they so choose. Do you honestly believe those that won't would have bought the game anyway?

That is the most interesting piracy metaphor I've ever seen. How thought provoking, well done old chap.

I don't know if you're being sincere or not, but thanks.
I can't wait to be a useless piece of shit all day and defend piracy.
Fuck im falling down all these analogies
IT KEEPS HAPPENING

 

[omega 616]

"DRM makes me pirate" is the funniest to me, stop pirating it and the DRM doesn't need to be there. "it's a demo" you don't steal a TV to demo that. "it's not a real loss" your enjoying a game for free, it is a loss, there is no "potential" about it.

1. Because I'm totally going to buy Assassin's Creed 2 that I can't play without cracking because I don't have an internet connection 24/7. Good thing it turned out crap anyway.
2. I can walk around a shop and look at all the TVs on display, giving a constant demo in the shop. I get to look at the box art of games. Totally the same thing.
3. Who says the game is going to be enjoyable >_>

If people didn't pirate you wouldn't need DRM, aka you wouldn't need a constant connection.

Yeah, you can go to blockbuster and rent a game if there is no demo (this also goes for your third point). It is the chance you take being a gamer, same as loaning a book or a film.

You can go out and just buy a book or film but what if it sucks? Too bad. You can rent it and see how it goes, none of which involve cloning a copy and claiming it's ok 'cos you never stole it.

I hate talking about piracy.

 

[Radeonx]

Given I did exaggerate there but they've still taken money from the developers and the publishers. If they weren't going to buy the game then they shouldn't get it for free, that's not how this thing works, even the 'communist' argument disagrees with that.

I'm not really saying that they should get the game for free, just that Crytek, while still damaged, isn't being damaged nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are going to be.

And for the record (This is pretty much my opinion on the subject, so if you disagree with me then feel free to), I don't really find that pirating is taking real money from a developer. In my honest opinion, pirating is only stealing potential money. No item is being removed from their possession. I'll use the copying scenario. If you walk into a store, and steal a candy bar, you are taking the cost of the candy bar from that store. If you walk into a store and copy the candy bar, and take the copy, you are still stealing, but the store doesn't lose any real money.

Granted, it is still stealing, and the potential money could have been real money, so I understand where you are coming from completely.

I'm sorry but every single one of your posts has infuriated me. How can you say it's not taking money away from the dev? It's clearly relinquishing a potential customer from the need to part with his/her money. They're getting the game for FREE. Yes it's not stealing, but it's just as damaging.

Also, the candy bar metaphor you used is completely redundant. First of all, yes the store lose the money they would have got from you. Also, a candy bar doesn't take millions of dollars to produce.

Potential money isn't money.
You can't go into a store and buy something with potential money.
Therefore, real money isn't being stolen. The chance to make money is being stolen. That doesn't mean that piracy is okay, it is far from it, but it isn't as damaging to the developers as everyone is making it out to be.

Dude seriously. Crysis 2, and any other game that is released is unique. To experience it, you have to buy it. If you're getting it for free, no matter how you do it, its harming those who made it. Simple as that.

Shooting down my argument with "No, you're wrong." and giving me no evidence doesn't make you right.

 

[Trolldor]

How smug ye are.

The product belongs to the company, not the public domain. It is theft.

How are they stealing anything? It's not for sale. Someone else stole it and then distributed it. Like a bank robber robbing a bank and throwing the cash to the wind. You can't blame the people who pick up the money, only the robber for stealing then distributing it.
And it's a lot like that. Multiplayer will be salvaged from this, and those who downloaded the game may buy the game for the multiplayer feature if they so choose. Do you honestly believe those that won't would have bought the game anyway?

It's stealing for the very simple reason that Crysis 2 is data, not a hand bag. It's also owned by the company and not the public domain.
Secondly, the analogy is false. Those that collect money knowingly from a robber are committing a crime. Those who do so unknowingly are not guilty of a crime as there was no intent.
You can't download a torrent of a game not yet released unintentionally.

 

[AceAngel]

Doesn't anyone find it strange? On how a Dev. Build of the game was 'leaked'? Either they're pulling an Autodesk here (Crytek themselves) or they royally ticked off one the Programmers/Technical Artists...and you know, considering those guys usually spend time, staying upto to 3 AM and wake up at 8 AM to work...they don't exactly the longest fuse.

 

[Angryman101]

I don't know if you're being sincere or not, but thanks.
I can't wait to be a useless piece of shit all day and defend piracy.
Fuck im falling down all these analogies
IT KEEPS HAPPENING

Did you try reading my posts in this thread to try and work out my position on the matter?

Also wut

And it's not so much defending piracy as it is getting pissed off at all the high-and-mighty attitudes of other people who dismiss piracy as somewhere on the level of genocide on the grand scale of things.

Honestly, no, I didn't read the rest, but now I see that you were indeed sincere.
It's a reference to a webcomic, nevermind.
That attitude is unfortunately prevalent on this website and indeed in real life as well. We've become brainwashed into thinking that the minute we don't have to pay for something it is immediately perverse and strange. What? Somebody is NOT trying to wring money out of me? This can't be right.
Yeah, it sucks that that person isn't getting money for, say, that poor college student who is playing the game without paying for it, but hey, he's enjoying the product. Would he buy it if he couldn't get it for free? Hell no, he's poor as shit. At least if the product is good he can spread the word to his better-off friends or blog readers, who will then buy it.
That's how I see it, anyway.

 

[Trolldor]

Doesn't anyone find it strange? On how a Dev. Build of the game was 'leaked'? Either they're pulling an Autodesk here (Crytek themselves) or they royally ticked off one the Programmers/Technical Artists...and you know, considering those guys usually spend time, staying upto to 3 AM and wake up at 8 AM to work...they don't exactly the longest fuse.

It wasn't intentional. Why invest all that time in a demo?

 

[MegatonDesign]

Given I did exaggerate there but they've still taken money from the developers and the publishers. If they weren't going to buy the game then they shouldn't get it for free, that's not how this thing works, even the 'communist' argument disagrees with that.

I'm not really saying that they should get the game for free, just that Crytek, while still damaged, isn't being damaged nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are going to be.

And for the record (This is pretty much my opinion on the subject, so if you disagree with me then feel free to), I don't really find that pirating is taking real money from a developer. In my honest opinion, pirating is only stealing potential money. No item is being removed from their possession. I'll use the copying scenario. If you walk into a store, and steal a candy bar, you are taking the cost of the candy bar from that store. If you walk into a store and copy the candy bar, and take the copy, you are still stealing, but the store doesn't lose any real money.

Granted, it is still stealing, and the potential money could have been real money, so I understand where you are coming from completely.

I'm sorry but every single one of your posts has infuriated me. How can you say it's not taking money away from the dev? It's clearly relinquishing a potential customer from the need to part with his/her money. They're getting the game for FREE. Yes it's not stealing, but it's just as damaging.

Also, the candy bar metaphor you used is completely redundant. First of all, yes the store lose the money they would have got from you. Also, a candy bar doesn't take millions of dollars to produce.

Potential money isn't money.
You can't go into a store and buy something with potential money.
Therefore, real money isn't being stolen. The chance to make money is being stolen. That doesn't mean that piracy is okay, it is far from it, but it isn't as damaging to the developers as everyone is making it out to be.

Dude seriously. Crysis 2, and any other game that is released is unique. To experience it, you have to buy it. If you're getting it for free, no matter how you do it, its harming those who made it. Simple as that.

Shooting down my argument with "No, you're wrong." and giving me no evidence doesn't make you right.

ok say you want to buy game x. You can spend $40 or whatever and get it, or you can get it for free from some guy on the net. Devs lose the $40 you would have spent. No, they don't physically "lose" the money, but in the same way films depend on huge returns to pay the actors and crew etc, studios depend on huge returns to pay the developers. So they have in fact lost $40 they would have had to pay the devs.