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Troels Pleimert said:
While we're temporarily on the subject of good albums with bad production - has anyone heard Arcturus' "The Sham Mirrors"? While it's true you need a good chunk of mid-range in metal guitars to make them shine, there's also a thing as "too much." This album is an example of guitars with way, way too much mid-range. It practically hurts to listen to it with headphones without having to turn it way down.
Most metal albums you could name have fairly bad production actually. I'm sure people could dig out many more examples. There's a reason of course - metal is a lot harder to mix than most styles. There's the old "everyone wants to be low" thing, then there's all the distortion happening which makes it hard for noob engineers to hear things like digital clipping or compressors farting, and if the singer is one of those low grunty ones then it's even more difficult. Engineers hate really overloaded distortion for all sorts of reasons, but that sound is key to metal. If a band with infinite budget like Metallica can't even get it right most of the time, imagine how tricky it is for some obscuro nobody band who are so broke that they have to make fake bullet belts out of AA batteries (cookie for reference).
 

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Equalisation is nice, but don't overdo it. Amateurs tend to crank the bass, crank the treble and cut everything else. Try to avoid the temptation to bass the shit out of the mix, it'll just sound mushy. Remember that the person playing it back in their stereo will be cranking the bass most likely, so you don't have to. Also, if you mix the guitars too deeply they'll eat the bass guitar alive and then you get a mix like "And Justice For All" and you don't want that. Remember also your cymbals are like the "air" at the top of the mix, you want to get some nice high end there. Don't be afraid to leave some midrange in or it won't come out at all through small speakers.
I second this. When I was teaching myself production, as for most people, the logical inclination is to boost the bass on your bass sounds... This resulted in a really messy, overblown mix with little dynamic range. What I tend to do now is favor "subtractive" equalization, where I turn down the "junk" frequencies attached to the signal, isolating the part of the sound I'd like to use and gently compressing it up, in volume.

That said, if you're looking to add some punch to a mid-range "bass sound", at least for electronic productions, 80hz-120hz is the best range to boost to get that nice punchy speaker "THUMP".
 

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II2 said:
BonsaiK said:
Equalisation is nice, but don't overdo it. Amateurs tend to crank the bass, crank the treble and cut everything else. Try to avoid the temptation to bass the shit out of the mix, it'll just sound mushy. Remember that the person playing it back in their stereo will be cranking the bass most likely, so you don't have to. Also, if you mix the guitars too deeply they'll eat the bass guitar alive and then you get a mix like "And Justice For All" and you don't want that. Remember also your cymbals are like the "air" at the top of the mix, you want to get some nice high end there. Don't be afraid to leave some midrange in or it won't come out at all through small speakers.
I second this. When I was teaching myself production, as for most people, the logical inclination is to boost the bass on your bass sounds... This resulted in a really messy, overblown mix with little dynamic range. What I tend to do now is favor "subtractive" equalization, where I turn down the "junk" frequencies attached to the signal, isolating the part of the sound I'd like to use and gently compressing it up, in volume.

That said, if you're looking to add some punch to a mid-range "bass sound", at least for electronic productions, 80hz-120hz is the best range to boost to get that nice punchy speaker "THUMP".
This is true, although not strictly relevant for the guy who wanted me to talk about mixing his metal band. On an 8-track like what he's using he'll be lucky to even have much of a choice about exactly what low frequency to boost anyway, the things usually just have a 3-band EQ for each strip, with variable mids if you're lucky. The knob marked "lo" on those things is usually in the 80-100Hz vicinity anyway.
 

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Ok, I know people who work in the music industry. From them, I've heard that getting a job in the music industry isn't about what you know, it's about who you know. (This is for production jobs, not being a member of a band or anything)

Is this true? Will music companies overlook better qualified people because some random guy in the company has a cousin who is decent at the same thing?
 

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Doomlord1375 said:
Ok, I know people who work in the music industry. From them, I've heard that getting a job in the music industry isn't about what you know, it's about who you know. (This is for production jobs, not being a member of a band or anything)

Is this true? Will music companies overlook better qualified people because some random guy in the company has a cousin who is decent at the same thing?
Yes, it's true to an extent. Putting myself in my boss' shoes for a second, the cousin who is decent at the job, well, I probably already have some idea of his personality and if he's easy to work with, plus it's a referral from a guy in the company who I already work with and trust, who probably has a reasonable idea of what I want. The random with the qualification on the other hand is a complete wild card. Not only do I not yet know how good he is at the job, but I don't know if I'm going to be able to get along with him. Sure I can talk to references and cross-check qualifications and get the guy in for an interview... and I might do that, if the cousin turns out to be a bit of a dropkick, or if the person doing the recommendation is a bit of a douche. I wouldn't say qualification don't matter, but if you don't have social skills, there's no way in hell you're getting any sustainable work anywhere in the production side of the music business, I don't care what your resume looks like.

There are plenty of other reasons why people get overlooked for such jobs, this is only one. Age, sex, marital status, race, attitude to life, religion, what suburb you grew up in and whether the boss thinks you're attractive are all reasons why you might get accepted or rejected for something completely regardless of any qualifications you do or do not have. Of course, you could argue that it shouldn't be acceptable or legal to discriminate on such grounds, and I wouldn't disagree with you, but this doesn't change the fact that it happens anyway.
 

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What exactly do you need to do to get signed by a record label?

Also a more specific question. What is a good synth plugin for Logic/Mainstage?
 

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would you care to listen to my band?

we have two songs recorded in a studio, the quality isn't the best, tried to record an EP (we have 14 songs well practiced) and that kinda just fell through, hopefully we'll get back to that soon.

we're playing the O2 academy islington on teh 1st of august, so that's pretty cool.

if you wanna listen let me know as I don't want to seem pushy :)
 

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would you care to listen to my band?

we have two songs recorded in a studio, the quality isn't the best, tried to record an EP (we have 14 songs well practiced) and that kinda just fell through, hopefully we'll get back to that soon.

we're playing the O2 academy islington on teh 1st of august, so that's pretty cool.

if you wanna listen let me know as I don't want to seem pushy :)
There just happens to be a thread for such an occasion started by the very same musical wizard!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.176391-Musical-Demo-Submission-thread?page=1

I was sad that people stopped posting in it because, like this thread, it was very neat to see what responses people got.
 

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L33tsauce_Marty said:
What exactly do you need to do to get signed by a record label?

Also a more specific question. What is a good synth plugin for Logic/Mainstage?
Getting signed: okay, the first thing you need to do is be musically superior. I don't mean technically, I mean in terms of songwriting. Some people just have the gift for it, some have to study it academically in order to "get it", some people have to get someone else to write songs for them (not an ideal option because then you don't get royalties but oh well). I don't care, do whatever it takes.

If you're a band rather than a solo artist, make sure your band members are at least a little bit organised. I don't care how many drugs they do as long as they can show up to their own gigs and studio sessions. Also, make sure that they want this. You don't want to be just about to sign on the dotted line and then someone gets someone pregnant and that screws up the whole ball game.

Okay, so assuming that you/your band is amazing and you're all on the same page, here's the main ways that bands get signed:

* Word of mouth from astoundingly good live performances reaches an A&R person who then goes and sees the artist at a show.

* The artist sends in a demo to a label, who like it.

* The artist knows someone personally who works at a label, and sends in a demo to that person, who makes sure it gets heard, and they like it.

* The artist has no material but is liked by the label because they are a known talent (usually through word of mouth, sometimes through a business referrral), and are groomed by the label.

* The artist figures that the industry sucks and they aren't going to get signed (or don't want to be) so they just release their own stuff anyway and go on self-funded tours, which ends up boosting their profile to the extent that the industry then starts paying attention to them.

As soon as anyone from any label starts offering you something and showing you bits of paper, get a music industry laywer to look the deal over. Very important, do not skip this step.

Synth plugins: I don't use Logic Pro but to be honest, if I wanted synth sounds I wouldn't try to get a virtual desk plugin, I'd cut to the chase and buy an actual synth. I like to keep my sound generators and my machine that's doing all the mixing and DSP separate as much as I can. Let me know what sounds you are looking for.
 

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Mr. Self Destruct said:
would you care to listen to my band?

we have two songs recorded in a studio, the quality isn't the best, tried to record an EP (we have 14 songs well practiced) and that kinda just fell through, hopefully we'll get back to that soon.

we're playing the O2 academy islington on teh 1st of august, so that's pretty cool.

if you wanna listen let me know as I don't want to seem pushy :)
If you like, use the thread that the other guy linked to you in post 128 above, follow the instructions in the first post, post me a link there, prepare for brutal (but polite) honesty.

Seerio said:
I was sad that people stopped posting in it because, like this thread, it was very neat to see what responses people got.
Oh cheers. That thread is still "active" in the sense that I have it bookmarked so I know if someone posts there straight away, so people are still welcome to use it. I will see and I will reply.
 

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Ah, what an enlightening thread. Here's my question then.

Alright, so I was watching a documentary the other day where they played a classical recording two times. The first was made entirely on a high tech musical program, completely synthetic instruments, the second was a traditional orchestra.

I gotta be honest, I really couldn't tell the difference! As the technology improves further and becomes more efficent, and given the things a computer can do that no human instrumentalist could, do you foresee the death of live recordings in the future?
 

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Chefodeath said:
Ah, what an enlightening thread. Here's my question then.

Alright, so I was watching a documentary the other day where they played a classical recording two times. The first was made entirely on a high tech musical program, completely synthetic instruments, the second was a traditional orchestra.

I gotta be honest, I really couldn't tell the difference! As the technology improves further and becomes more efficent, and given the things a computer can do that no human instrumentalist could, do you foresee the death of live recordings in the future?
No. All the basic instruments of the rock band have been completely replicable for the last 20 years or so, yet rock bands still exist. It's a cultural thing - playing an instrument and rocking out is fun and programming a bunch of numbers into a computer may give a similar or even superior result but is a relatively joyless affair. People like the feeling of being in a band, and the feeling of being part of a big orchestra is also something that people enjoy. Also, computers are sometimes a little too perfect for their own good - it's the rough edges that are part of what make live recordings interesting. Live music will never die for the same reason that live theatre still exists and people still go to watch theatre even though there have been movies for over 100 years.
 

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I have a question that might be a tough one to answer. It's about "superstars" such as Michael Jackson and Madonna in their glory days, Eminem in the early 2000's or Lady Gaga who seems to be halfway there today(IMHO) (bonus question: do you make the same prediction?).
Do you think that they are harmful to the industry by "obscuring" smaller bands and artists or are there enough room for all in the marketplace?

And are the whole "Top 10 Hit" phenomeneon with people like Justin Bieber, Kesha, Cyrus and the Black-Eyed Peas as harmful to music as many people claim or are they just pissed that their favourite bands doesnt get as much attention?

Please note that i'm not hating against these artists or anything. Eminem, Madonna, Jackson and Gaga are all skilled and have worked hard to reach their position, I like all of them with the exception of Eminem who i are a hardcore fan of. And i really don't know a whole lot about the "Hit Single Crowd" so i won't hate on them either.
 

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ChaoticKraus said:
I have a question that might be a tough one to answer. It's about "superstars" such as Michael Jackson and Madonna in their glory days, Eminem in the early 2000's or Lady Gaga who seems to be halfway there today(IMHO) (bonus question: do you make the same prediction?).
Do you think that they are harmful to the industry by "obscuring" smaller bands and artists or are there enough room for all in the marketplace?
Ahhh, the Lady Gaga question. I knew she'd poke her head in here eventually.

Of course big artists are going to overshadow smaller artists. It's like saying "doesn't the tallest five trees in the forest stand out too much against the others?" - so then you cut them down. Oh but wait, now there are 5 new tallest trees. You could theoretically continue that process until there wasn't a tree left. Of course, what some people really want is just for enough pruning so the stuff that they don't happen to like is cut down. But then those people would just find new stuff to whine about and the process would begin anew.

Michael Jackson was huge because people loved the songs (well, until the 1990s, anyway). Same with Madonna. Sure, she might have done some strange things on the way to fame (and I'm not going to elaborate because I know a little too much here) but at the end of the day, if "Like A Virgin" was a shitty album with crap songs, no-one would have bought it and she wouldn't still be active in music today. Have you any idea how rare it is for a female in the sexist, ageist world of bubblegum pop music to have a career spanning nearly 30 years? She kept it up that long because she knows how to write songs, and how to work with other people who write songs. Eninem scored big because he's a talented rapper who had some catchy tunes that people liked, and if it wasn't Eninem and 50 Cent it'd be someone else up there being "that person you think of when you think of rap music these days".

Lady Gaga is of course ludicrously talented, as good a singer and performer as just about anyone who has worked in pop since the style began. She does pop because she wants to, but she could do just about any style she felt like. She also knows how to work the media to her benefit. Notwithstanding some amazingly unfortuitous fuckup, she'll probably be around for a while.

Bottom line is that for every person you see whining there's another five or ten or thousand who are buying the records. Nobody is forced to buy the new Ke$ha single... but they do, because they like the music. It was a good song, people liked it, so they bought it, that's really all there is to it. Yes, there's marketing, promotion etc, but for every Ke$ha there's 1,000 wannabe Ke$has who released a song just like hers and got nowhere, and who got an equal marketing and promotional push. Why did Ke$ha get somewhere when those girls didn't? The song was better, it appealed to more people. Simple as that. Did she overshandow others? Yes, because her songs were better, they stood out.

ChaoticKraus said:
And are the whole "Top 10 Hit" phenomeneon with people like Justin Bieber, Kesha and the Black-Eyed Peas as harmful to music as many people claim or are they just pissed that their favourite bands doesnt get as much attention?
To be honest, if their favourite bands did get that much attention, they probably wouldn't be their favourite bands anymore. The people who whine about popular artists being popular would just cry "sellout" at their favourite bands and then move onto something else more obscure so they could still be part of their little Internet Cool Club.

People drone on and on about the evils of the "top 10 hit phenomenon" as if it is a new thing or something and how music from bygone eras was somehow inherently superior before all this pop stuff started showing up very recently. What a load of horseshit. Check out this video:


The Monkees were huge and I mean huge in the 60s, as The Beatles gradually went more left-field, The Monkees took over as the primary group of concern for young teenage girls and had hits all over the place, such as the one in the video above. And guess what. The Monkees didn't even play their own instruments on ANY of their own recordings. Those drums and guitar you hear in that video are mimed, the real work was done by uncredited session musicians. They were far from the only example of a band like this, in fact, it was the norm in the 1960s. Bands would rock up to a studio, run through their songs once or twice, record them roughly, then session musicians would listen to the rough recordings, learn the songs and play them on the final mix. Say what you like about Justin Bieber, at least he's capable of actually playing his own guitar parts, and it's him on his own recordings.


And yes I do believe there's enough room for everyone. After all Justin Bieber's market isn't the same market that buys Bullet For My Valentine or whatever. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that there's not a lot of crossover there. Why fans of the latter would even care enough about the existence of the former to even comment is something that continually astounds me. I think it says more about their personal insecurities than anything about the real world of music.
 

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Wow, thanks for the hugely informative and extensive reply. It's interesting to hear what someone knowledgeable has to say about such thing but i wasn't expecting you to write an whole essay about it, complete with examples and metaphors. Kudos to you, sir.

Nice to see someone else share my viewpoint by the way. I'm not really a part of the "all music was better in the 70,s" crowd. I always figured that such things are popular because it appeals to people and that i don't need to spoil their fun by complaining. Sure i might not be a fan of Justin Bieber, but to be honest i'm probably not one of the intended audience anyway.

Heck i even managed to persuade my Power-Metal friend and my Reggae-friend to admit that they liked "Paparazzi". One time i even got my Jazz-Dad to say that Eminem was a skilled writer and lyricist to his friends (That's like winning an oscar in our family). But i have taken a bit of flak from the metal-head guys and the classicaly trained girls in my "gymnasium" (Swedish Education from ages 16-19) by mentioning this theory.
 

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BonsaiK said:
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And yes I do believe there's enough room for everyone. After all Justin Bieber's market isn't the same market that buys Bullet For My Valentine or whatever. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that there's not a lot of crossover there. Why fans of the latter would even care enough about the existence of the former to even comment is something that continually astounds me I think it says more about their personal insecurities than anything about the real world of music.
I like this post. I like it a lot.

OT: I have a question about the future of the music industry.

Is it more likely that Independent labels will get more market-share than the "big 4" within the next 15-30 years?
 

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BonsaiK said:
L33tsauce_Marty said:
What exactly do you need to do to get signed by a record label?

Also a more specific question. What is a good synth plugin for Logic/Mainstage?
Getting signed: okay, the first thing you need to do is be musically superior. I don't mean technically, I mean in terms of songwriting. Some people just have the gift for it, some have to study it academically in order to "get it", some people have to get someone else to write songs for them (not an ideal option because then you don't get royalties but oh well). I don't care, do whatever it takes.

If you're a band rather than a solo artist, make sure your band members are at least a little bit organised. I don't care how many drugs they do as long as they can show up to their own gigs and studio sessions. Also, make sure that they want this. You don't want to be just about to sign on the dotted line and then someone gets someone pregnant and that screws up the whole ball game.

Okay, so assuming that you/your band is amazing and you're all on the same page, here's the main ways that bands get signed:

* Word of mouth from astoundingly good live performances reaches an A&R person who then goes and sees the artist at a show.

* The artist sends in a demo to a label, who like it.

* The artist knows someone personally who works at a label, and sends in a demo to that person, who makes sure it gets heard, and they like it.

* The artist has no material but is liked by the label because they are a known talent (usually through word of mouth, sometimes through a business referrral), and are groomed by the label.

* The artist figures that the industry sucks and they aren't going to get signed (or don't want to be) so they just release their own stuff anyway and go on self-funded tours, which ends up boosting their profile to the extent that the industry then starts paying attention to them.

As soon as anyone from any label starts offering you something and showing you bits of paper, get a music industry laywer to look the deal over. Very important, do not skip this step.

Synth plugins: I don't use Logic Pro but to be honest, if I wanted synth sounds I wouldn't try to get a virtual desk plugin, I'd cut to the chase and buy an actual synth. I like to keep my sound generators and my machine that's doing all the mixing and DSP separate as much as I can. Let me know what sounds you are looking for.
Thanks for the advice regarding signing with a label, I don't think it would happen soon for my band but I wanted to know in the future if it ever comes to that.

As far as synth plugins go I don't have any budget at all so that's why I haven't run out and bought a Korg/Yamaha/Roland workstation or such. Basically I've been given a Macbook and I've been using my almost toy of a keyboard (basically all I have to work with that is just the keys) as a MIDI controller. People say OSX is the best for that sort of thing, but I also have a gaming rig that is a whole lot better so I don't know what to use. That and I got a copy of Logic pro from my friend so that was a bit of an easier decision for me.

I use mainstage right now for all of my sounds, but the selection is limited. But I'm not really a pro when it comes to mixing up sounds with effects and plugins (I'm pretty sure reverb is all I have down right now). The thing is I can't find any decent thorough documentation or any tutorials online. This has also been a problem with Logic. I'm trying to find some nice plugins and whatnot but I've gotten no luck so far.

The sounds that I'm looking for is basically rich acoustic piano sounds, nice epic string/orchestra/chorus sounds, and a sort of thick synth sort of like this. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Y923eHrr4]

My band and I are trying to record a demo with a small budget and I wanted to see how far we could go with just the computer before we spend money and buy the bigger and better stuff.
 

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Wow, thanks for the hugely informative and extensive reply. It's interesting to hear what someone knowledgeable has to say about such thing but i wasn't expecting you to write an whole essay about it, complete with examples and metaphors. Kudos to you, sir.

Nice to see someone else share my viewpoint by the way. I'm not really a part of the "all music was better in the 70,s" crowd. I always figured that such things are popular because it appeals to people and that i don't need to spoil their fun by complaining. Sure i might not be a fan of Justin Bieber, but to be honest i'm probably not one of the intended audience anyway.

Heck i even managed to persuade my Power-Metal friend and my Reggae-friend to admit that they liked "Paparazzi". One time i even got my Jazz-Dad to say that Eminem was a skilled writer and lyricist to his friends (That's like winning an oscar in our family). But i have taken a bit of flak from the metal-head guys and the classicaly trained girls in my "gymnasium" (Swedish Education from ages 16-19) by mentioning this theory.
Tell the classically-trained girls that Lady Gaga was a classically-trained piano student from the age of 4 and probably had Mozart, Bach and music theory shoved down her throat like they all do (I learnt piano from the age of 5 so I know exactly what it's like). She would easily be concert level by now, check out the following video, she's making it look very easy and looking at her hands only about once every five seconds AND delivering the usual killer vocal performance that she always does:


Any metalhead should be able to respect good piano playing anyway, given the emphasis on technique that cuts across both styles. Sweep-picking arpeggios started as a way to mimic exactly the type of arpeggiation that Lady Gaga is doing in the video above at 0:55.

As for rap, someone into jazz should be able to appreciate rap because there's a reasonable amount of common ground between the two styles, both musically and vocally. Compare:


That second song makes it more obvious than most, but the principles behind rap freestyling and improvised jazz vocal are more or less the same.
 

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Ham_authority95 said:
BonsaiK said:
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And yes I do believe there's enough room for everyone. After all Justin Bieber's market isn't the same market that buys Bullet For My Valentine or whatever. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that there's not a lot of crossover there. Why fans of the latter would even care enough about the existence of the former to even comment is something that continually astounds me I think it says more about their personal insecurities than anything about the real world of music.
I like this post. I like it a lot.

OT: I have a question about the future of the music industry.

Is it more likely that Independent labels will get more market-share than the "big 4" within the next 15-30 years?
Oh cheers.

Really good question. I'd like to be able to say "yes" but to be honest I think the answer is "probably no, unless something fundamental radically changes". The problem is that when an independent label gets really good steam going, they tend to get approached by one or more of the big four with potloads of money to buy out their operation. Someone who has been running an independent label might have been struggling for decades with little money, barely surviving by the skin of their teeth (as is normal in this industry) to gradually build up a name for the business and is now being offered millions of dollars for their brand - that's a really hard temptation to turn down. The big label doesn't just offer money - they've also got staff on-hand and equipment to do all the tedious boring jobs that the label had to previously do on their own, usually by hand. Until you've packed together 2000 inlay cards into 2000 CD jewel cases by hand, by yourself, you don't know how much you wish someone else could just do that shit for you with a machine in 15 minutes. And if the label is really nice, and you really want them to, they'll even let you stay in charge of your "brand" in a nominal sense, pay you a decent living wage, have nice secretaries who can do boring office shit for you, accountants and lawyers that you don't even have to pay anymore because the company does, and they'll even let you keep control over who gets signed etc... it's a pretty fucking good deal. It takes a pretty resilient kind of person to say "no, I'll stay here in my shitty apartment/office and my broken airconditioning that I can't afford to fix and toil away with my three friends putting CDs in boxes like I have been for the last 10 years with no end in sight, I'm not really interested in your money - but thanks for asking".

To build up all the infrastructre to compete realistically with a major label to the point where you're actually stealing significant amounts of their market share, is a lot of work. The established labels are huge, because they are conglomerations of what used to be many different companies. Where it could happen is if some new style emerges that the majors weren't clued in on, and it gets huge but the indies refuse to make deals with those artists or buy into the companies. However, that's unlikely, and here's why: when an artist gets stratospherically big, small labels have trouble dealing with that - it can actually bankrupt the label, because you're spending so much resources on fulfilling the demand for the product that it gets hard to balance the books. Where is a label going to get capital to press 50,000 CDs that people are asking for if they don't even have $50,000 because they've been small up until now? Where will they put them all? How will they afford to get them to their destinations? Business can grow gradually, it's hard to just kind of grow them all at once because suddenly there's this big demand now. The small label is going to need some help now. When you've been selling 5,000 copies of an album and then suddenly a band you work with starts selling 100,000, that artist then suddenly becomes a lot more work. It stops you from pursuing other things - other artists get neglected because you're spending so much time on the phone dealing with demand for band X who just got huge. So the indies end up wanting something the majors have (infrastructure and logistics to move huge amounts of product) and the majors want something the indies have (a hot new style that will be a nice cash-cow) - so deals are generally struck. With MP3s and so forth, this may change - but not much. You're still dealing with physical product such as merchandise, which means you're dealing with manufacture, logistics and warehousing/storage, you're still dealing with recordings, touring, promotion and annoying phone calls because someone needs a .011 E string at 11pm on a Sunday (and no a .010 will not do, because your artist, realising that he's suddenly become the nucleus that the rest of the business is revolving around, has become a spoiled, petulant grown-up child), and someone still has to do all the accounting.

I hope that kind of answers the question... congrats to you if you read that far...
 

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BonsaiK said:
Ham_authority95 said:
BonsaiK said:
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And yes I do believe there's enough room for everyone. After all Justin Bieber's market isn't the same market that buys Bullet For My Valentine or whatever. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that there's not a lot of crossover there. Why fans of the latter would even care enough about the existence of the former to even comment is something that continually astounds me I think it says more about their personal insecurities than anything about the real world of music.
I like this post. I like it a lot.

OT: I have a question about the future of the music industry.

Is it more likely that Independent labels will get more market-share than the "big 4" within the next 15-30 years?
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I hope that kind of answers the question... congrats to you if you read that far...
It does actually answer my question.

In fact, the music industry sounds much better off with all the big labels supporting the huge acts.