Dad Alters Donkey Kong for His Daughter - With Pauline as the Hero

[lord.jeff]

I knew the whole feminism debate was getting rather absurd but I didn't think it would get this bad. This is just a cute story of a dad doing something nice for his daughter no feminism or any other agenda. Now can we all start doing the smart thing and go "Aww, what an awesome dad" and move on?

 

[Epona]

now we have people suggesting that playing video games makes a person sexist.

Nobody has ever said that. Most if not all of the feminist posts I have seen come from women who both play and enjoy video games. Surely they would be calling themselves sexist. All that's wanted is for video games to be inclusive. I don't understand this reasoning discussing possibly sexist content in a videogame does NOT equate to calling all gamers sexist.

As for Pauline I think it's great. I love the bloomers as she tops the ladder. This man must love his daughter very much.

If I changed Kerrigan into a man, would I receive the same praise?

I don't think anyone would care dude he would just be another male protagonist/antagonist in a sea of male protagonists/antagonists.

Look at that outrage that occurred when Lara Croft turned into Nathan Drake. Oh wait there wasn't one.

Lara Croft didn't change into Nathan Drake, separate franchises made by separate developers. Lara Croft is still out there and a new game just came out. Where were you going with that?

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

You want to celebrate a father making Mario into a female, great but will you also celebrate a parent making Samus, Peach or Kerrigan into a male for their son?

Well yeah...It's kind of a nice thing to do.

What do mean 'is my whole argument around things in the past?' Do you expect me to be psychic and predict the future? The thing you mention are in the past too rofl.

Like I said the things feminists fight for for women they are things which are already skewed unfairly in favour of men and are therefore for equality not to bring women above men.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Lara Croft didn't change into Nathan Drake, separate franchises made by separate developers. Lara Croft is still out there and a new game just came out. Where were you going with that?

Uncharted was basically Sony replacing the failing Tomb Raider franchise with something fresh...:S I thought that was kind of obvious.

 

[Epona]

You want to celebrate a father making Mario into a female, great but will you also celebrate a parent making Samus, Peach or Kerrigan into a male for their son?

Well yeah...It's kind of a nice thing to do.

What do mean 'is my whole argument around things in the past?' Do you expect me to be psychic and predict the future? The thing you mention are in the past too rofl.

Like I said the things feminists fight for for women they are things which are already skewed unfairly in favour of men and are therefore for equality not to bring women above men.

No, the things I mention are current. Did the Family Courts start awarding custody to fathers 50% of the time? No. Do we have a Violence against Everyone Act yet? No. Are men now equally represented in college? No.

Which example of mine was in the past?

 

[Epona]

Lara Croft didn't change into Nathan Drake, separate franchises made by separate developers. Lara Croft is still out there and a new game just came out. Where were you going with that?

Uncharted was basically Sony replacing the failing Tomb Raider franchise with something fresh...:S I thought that was kind of obvious.

Sony doesn't own the Tomb Raider franchise and it hasn't been replaced, a new game just came out. I thought that was kind of obvious.

Anyway, Nathan Drake has 3 games while Lara Croft has 10. Just what the hell are you trying to argue here?

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

You want to celebrate a father making Mario into a female, great but will you also celebrate a parent making Samus, Peach or Kerrigan into a male for their son?

Well yeah...It's kind of a nice thing to do.

What do mean 'is my whole argument around things in the past?' Do you expect me to be psychic and predict the future? The thing you mention are in the past too rofl.

Like I said the things feminists fight for for women they are things which are already skewed unfairly in favour of men and are therefore for equality not to bring women above men.

No, the things I mention are current. Did the Family Courts start awarding custody to fathers 50% of the time? No. Do we have a Violence against Everyone Act yet? No. Are men no equally represented in college? No.

Which example of mine was in the past?

All of them since they happened you know...in the past...

There's no need for a violence against everyone act because men don't get attacked as much as women. Men are equally represented in college (Do you have evidence otherwise). The idea that women get favourable custody is bullshit and a complete myth (ask any divorce lawyer).

'There are about 2.2 million moms in this country like Julie, moms who don?t have primary physical custody of their children. And the number of working moms who lose primary custody has been rising steadily. ?A mother?s career can be a liability in custody battles,? says Laura Allison Wasser, a Los Angeles?based lawyer who has represented Britney Spears and Kate Hudson in high-profile divorces. ?There?s a huge influx of women who have full-time jobs. Judges want to know who the hands-on parent is, who spends more time with the child. I have made that argument myself: ?Mom?s not home?she?s out working.??

Today, it?s not uncommon for fathers seeking sole custody in a contested case to prevail at least 50 percent of the time. And Dad is asking for joint or primary custody more and more: Over the past decade, the number of fathers awarded custody of their children has doubled, according to the latest data. In the current generation of dads, gender doesn?t dictate who changes a diaper or consoles an infant. And as fathers become more entrenched in their roles as cocaregiver, they?re less willing to hand off that role when a marriage breaks down. Women are now also shelling out more child support and sometimes paying alimony.'

Taken from 'Working Mother'

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Lara Croft didn't change into Nathan Drake, separate franchises made by separate developers. Lara Croft is still out there and a new game just came out. Where were you going with that?

Uncharted was basically Sony replacing the failing Tomb Raider franchise with something fresh...:S I thought that was kind of obvious.

Sony doesn't own the Tomb Raider franchise and it hasn't been replaced, a new game just came out. I thought that was kind of obvious.

Sony published the old Tomb Raider franchise... they wanted something fresh for the PS3. It got sold to Crystal Dynamics they made a new game.

I thought that was kind of obvious.

.

Anyway, Nathan Drake has 3 games while Lara Croft has 10. Just what the hell are you trying to argue here?

That no one cares if a female character is replaced by a male. Did you forget already. Speaking of that Lara had a male protagonist usurp her for a while in Angel of Darkness. Exactly no fucks were given.

 

[Epona]

You want to celebrate a father making Mario into a female, great but will you also celebrate a parent making Samus, Peach or Kerrigan into a male for their son?

Well yeah...It's kind of a nice thing to do.

What do mean 'is my whole argument around things in the past?' Do you expect me to be psychic and predict the future? The thing you mention are in the past too rofl.

Like I said the things feminists fight for for women they are things which are already skewed unfairly in favour of men and are therefore for equality not to bring women above men.

No, the things I mention are current. Did the Family Courts start awarding custody to fathers 50% of the time? No. Do we have a Violence against Everyone Act yet? No. Are men no equally represented in college? No.

Which example of mine was in the past?

All of them since they happened you know...in the past...

There's no need for a violence against everyone act because men don't get attacked as much as women. Men are equally represented in college (Do you have evidence otherwise). The idea that women get favourable custody is bullshit and a complete myth (ask any divorce lawyer).

All of them are current too.

Approximately 1.3 million women and 835,000 men are physically assaulted by an intimate partner annually in the United States.

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics.html

So because only 835,000 men are assaulted annually they don't need protection? So how many men would need to be assaulted before we deserve protection under the law?

Of oourse I have evidence that men are underrepresented in college.

College gender gap widens: 57% are women

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/2005-10-19-male-college-cover_x.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html?pagewanted=all

Are you really arguing that women don't get custody more?

I see you added to your post:

Today, it's not uncommon for fathers seeking sole custody in a contested case to prevail at least 50 percent of the time. And Dad is asking for joint or primary custody more and more: Over the past decade, the number of fathers awarded custody of their children has doubled, according to the latest data. In the current generation of dads, gender doesn't dictate who changes a diaper or consoles an infant. And as fathers become more entrenched in their roles as cocaregiver, they're less willing to hand off that role when a marriage breaks down. Women are now also shelling out more child support and sometimes paying alimony.'

Taken from 'Working Mother'

Why no link? Does "Working Mother" link to a real study showing these 50/50 figures?

 

[Bocaj2000]

I knew the whole feminism debate was getting rather absurd but I didn't think it would get this bad. This is just a cute story of a dad doing something nice for his daughter no feminism or any other agenda. Now can we all start doing the smart thing and go "Aww, what an awesome dad" and move on?

I agree. I didn't come here to read a whole bunch of feminist bashing. The video was very cute and should be taken as just that. Now, I just want to play Ocarina of Time as Sheik

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

snip

Are you really arguing that women don't get custody more?

Yep.

Are you seriously arguing that those statistics show that women don't need extra protection compared to men? 1.3 million compared to 830.000.... Also I'm pretty sure it's illegal to beat anyone up dude. I nearly got arrested once for beating up a guy who attacked me at a taxi rank...before the cctv saved my ass.

57% isn't really anything to be worried about it's circumstantial at best. It used to be that women weren't even allowed to go to university. Looks like we have come a long way.

And it used to be that women got custody more but that's in the past (and also based on sexist attitudes against women that they should be a caregiver)

Also that's taken from a quote from a top lawyer that's the source .

 

[Epona]

Lara Croft didn't change into Nathan Drake, separate franchises made by separate developers. Lara Croft is still out there and a new game just came out. Where were you going with that?

Uncharted was basically Sony replacing the failing Tomb Raider franchise with something fresh...:S I thought that was kind of obvious.

Sony doesn't own the Tomb Raider franchise and it hasn't been replaced, a new game just came out. I thought that was kind of obvious.

Sony published the old Tomb Raider franchise... they wanted something fresh for the PS3. It got sold to Crystal Dynamics they made a new game.

I thought that was kind of obvious.

.

Anyway, Nathan Drake has 3 games while Lara Croft has 10. Just what the hell are you trying to argue here?

That no one cares if a female character is replaced by a male. Did you forget already. Speaking of that Lara had a male protagonist usurp her for a while in Angel of Darkness. Exactly no fucks were given.

Sony published FF7 too. What does that have to do with anything?

The new Tomb Raider is also on the PS3. I just don't see where you get the idea that Lara Croft was replaced by Nathan Drake.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Lara Croft didn't change into Nathan Drake, separate franchises made by separate developers. Lara Croft is still out there and a new game just came out. Where were you going with that?

Uncharted was basically Sony replacing the failing Tomb Raider franchise with something fresh...:S I thought that was kind of obvious.

Sony doesn't own the Tomb Raider franchise and it hasn't been replaced, a new game just came out. I thought that was kind of obvious.

Sony published the old Tomb Raider franchise... they wanted something fresh for the PS3. It got sold to Crystal Dynamics they made a new game.

I thought that was kind of obvious.

.

Anyway, Nathan Drake has 3 games while Lara Croft has 10. Just what the hell are you trying to argue here?

That no one cares if a female character is replaced by a male. Did you forget already. Speaking of that Lara had a male protagonist usurp her for a while in Angel of Darkness. Exactly no fucks were given.

Sony published FF7 too. What does that have to do with anything?

The new Tomb Raider is also on the PS3. I just don't see where you get the idea that Lara Croft was replaced by Nathan Drake.

Because they have influence over what they sell....

Uncharted was developed because Sony wanted something Tomb Raideresque but fresh. I though that was common knowledge.

 

[Epona]

snip

Are you really arguing that women don't get custody more?

Yep.

Are you seriously arguing that those statistics show that women don't need extra protection compared to men? 1.3 million compared to 830.000.... Also I'm pretty sure it's illegal to beat anyone up dude. I nearly got arrested once for beating up a guy who attacked me at a taxi rank...before the cctv saved my ass.

57% isn't really anything to be worried about it's circumstantial at best. It used to be that women weren't even allowed to go to university. Looks like we have come a long way.

And it used to be that women got custody more but that's in the past (and also based on sexist attitudes against women that they should be a caregiver)

Also that's taken from a quote from a top lawyer that's the source .

No, women don't deserve special laws. As you pointed out, there are laws on the books against beating people up and any group (gender, race) getting special laws is discriminatory by definition.

We aren't talking about what "used to be", we are talking about now and 57% would matter if men were the majority.

Prove to me that men get custody 50% of the time. So far I have seen no proof. A TOP LAWYER...LOL. Does the TOP LAWYER have any statistics to back up his mouth?

 

[Epona]

Lara Croft didn't change into Nathan Drake, separate franchises made by separate developers. Lara Croft is still out there and a new game just came out. Where were you going with that?

Uncharted was basically Sony replacing the failing Tomb Raider franchise with something fresh...:S I thought that was kind of obvious.

Sony doesn't own the Tomb Raider franchise and it hasn't been replaced, a new game just came out. I thought that was kind of obvious.

Sony published the old Tomb Raider franchise... they wanted something fresh for the PS3. It got sold to Crystal Dynamics they made a new game.

I thought that was kind of obvious.

.

Anyway, Nathan Drake has 3 games while Lara Croft has 10. Just what the hell are you trying to argue here?

That no one cares if a female character is replaced by a male. Did you forget already. Speaking of that Lara had a male protagonist usurp her for a while in Angel of Darkness. Exactly no fucks were given.

Sony published FF7 too. What does that have to do with anything?

The new Tomb Raider is also on the PS3. I just don't see where you get the idea that Lara Croft was replaced by Nathan Drake.

Because they have influence over what they sell....

Uncharted was developed because Sony wanted something Tomb Raideresque but fresh. I though that was common knowledge.

I see, so Sony is sexist? Nice.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

snip

Are you really arguing that women don't get custody more?

Yep.

Are you seriously arguing that those statistics show that women don't need extra protection compared to men? 1.3 million compared to 830.000.... Also I'm pretty sure it's illegal to beat anyone up dude. I nearly got arrested once for beating up a guy who attacked me at a taxi rank...before the cctv saved my ass.

57% isn't really anything to be worried about it's circumstantial at best. It used to be that women weren't even allowed to go to university. Looks like we have come a long way.

And it used to be that women got custody more but that's in the past (and also based on sexist attitudes against women that they should be a caregiver)

Also that's taken from a quote from a top lawyer that's the source .

No, women don't deserve special laws. As you pointed out, there are laws on the books against beating people up and any group (gender, race) getting special laws is discriminatory by definition.

We aren't talking about what "used to be", we are talking about now and 57% would matter if men were the majority.

Prove to me that men get custody 50% of the time. So far I have seen no proof. A TOP LAWYER...LOL. Does the TOP LAWYER have any statistics to back up his mouth?

Women clearly need special laws if violence is that skewed against them. That's what equality means. Making things equal. Also 'Don't deserve' why don't we deserve extra protection that we need that's a pretty loaded thing to say.

I'm pretty sure 57% is fine. It's never going to be perfectly 50% that would be really surprising as people make personal choices that skew the numbers either way.

Interesting that you automatically assume the lawyer is a he...

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I see, so Sony is sexist. Nice.

I didn't say that at all. I said they wanted something fresh. You just picked that out of thin air.

 

[Epona]

snip

Are you really arguing that women don't get custody more?

Yep.

Are you seriously arguing that those statistics show that women don't need extra protection compared to men? 1.3 million compared to 830.000.... Also I'm pretty sure it's illegal to beat anyone up dude. I nearly got arrested once for beating up a guy who attacked me at a taxi rank...before the cctv saved my ass.

57% isn't really anything to be worried about it's circumstantial at best. It used to be that women weren't even allowed to go to university. Looks like we have come a long way.

And it used to be that women got custody more but that's in the past (and also based on sexist attitudes against women that they should be a caregiver)

Also that's taken from a quote from a top lawyer that's the source .

No, women don't deserve special laws. As you pointed out, there are laws on the books against beating people up and any group (gender, race) getting special laws is discriminatory by definition.

We aren't talking about what "used to be", we are talking about now and 57% would matter if men were the majority.

Prove to me that men get custody 50% of the time. So far I have seen no proof. A TOP LAWYER...LOL. Does the TOP LAWYER have any statistics to back up his mouth?

Women clearly need special laws if violence is that skewed against them. That's what equality means. Making things equal. Also 'Don't deserve' why don't we deserve extra protection that we need that's a pretty loaded thing to say.

I'm pretty sure 57% is fine. It's never going to be perfectly 50% that would be really surprising as people make personal choices that skew the numbers either way.

Interesting that you automatically assume the lawyer is a he...

Women deserve EQUAL protection, not extra protection. I mean, you do want equality don't you? You don't get it by asking for more than the other side. You are basically saying "I deserve more cheeseburgers because in the past women got fewer cheeseburgers". Equality will never happen that way.

So, about the lawyer, male or female...any stats to back up her/his opinion?

 

[Epona]

I see, so Sony is sexist. Nice.

I didn't say that at all. I said they wanted something fresh. You just picked that out of thin air.

Then what was your point here?

You say they "replaced" Lara Croft with Nathan Drake during a discussion about sexism.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I see, so Sony is sexist. Nice.

I didn't say that at all. I said they wanted something fresh. You just picked that out of thin air.

Then what was your point here?

You say they "replaced" Lara Croft with Nathan Drake during a discussion about sexism.

Sigh you said 'There would be an uproar if someone replaced a female character with a male one.'
I said 'But they replaced Lara Croft with Nathan Drake' and Here's the important part 'BUT NO ONE CARED'

You said they didn't replace her, I argued the point. Sexism was never mentioned...