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Mikodite said:
He isn't disciplining bad behaviour:he's asserting dominance. See it for what it is.
Ok. So what exactly is wrong with that? He is her father, she is still a child, he still has legal responsibility over her and for her actions. I'd actually be more disturbed if he didn't have dominance over her - that's also known as having no control over your children.
 

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This guy is my hero :D

A lot of people seem to be upset at the fact that he used a gun, but really? Would it have somehow been better if he'd used a hammer or a sword or something else? He could have used anything to destroy the laptop, but if anything I would have been more worried if he'd used a hammer or took it and threw it to the ground or used some other melee-type weapon.

Secondly, I didn't see him shooting the gun out of anger. He had absolutely no problems controlling himself at all. He was pissed sure, but he wasn't taking out his anger on the laptop. This was punishment, nothing more. Anger would have been him yelling or swearing as he did it or continuing to destroy it after it was beyond repair. Here he used only one clip, no more or less.

Frankly I say good for him, a lot of the kids I see nowadays generally have an air of brattiness, which I'm guessing is partly due to the internet and the ability to say things without consequence. Just look at all the xbox live brats. They talk trash all day long...
 

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considering guns are usally unloaded into people i have no real problem with how this man decided to use his. His daughter was being a spoiled *****. I'll admit that what he did was bit extreme but the only thing i'd fault him for is not being more safe and going to a sechluded spot before shooting the computer.

For the record i'm not a gun nut. I don't actually own a gun myself but i have used them and i'm aware of the danger they can pose if misused. I don't really see this mans actions as evidence that we should revoke the right to bare arms.
Is selective reading such a thing?

Look, I am not stating that no one should have guns. I've never said that. HOWEVER, I am stating that there should be situations defined and listed as ways to responsibly use your firearm. And if you break that, that right that you had now became a privilege. This man recorded his use of the firearm and honestly it's not proper given the situation. Being flagged for that use and if it happens again, having it taken away is not outrageous. In fact that is exactly what he is doing to his daughter.
Never said flat our revoking it from everyone. However, if you take that right and abuse it for the sake of---in this case, parenting--you should be flagged and it becomes a privilege to you. And if you mess up again, it can be taken away from you. It's the exact same thing that he is doing to her.
Your saying that guns should be a privilege and not a right. The only way that works is if you revoke gun owning as right first. As is we already have a system in where if you fuck up you can be banned from owning a gun. I still don't think what he did was all that big of a deal. I just wish he'd done it in a safer location and not his back yard.
 

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You know who has more reasons to lie? A "father" who is showing all of the tell tale signs of <link=http://www.positive-parenting-ally.com/narcissistic-parents.html>Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
NO. Absolutely not - as far as I can see, the father is trying to encourage his daughter to take some initiative and learn some life skills along the way by finding a job. He is NOT steering her every decision so that it fits his ideals of her.

Shooting her laptop was certainly OTT, posting it online doubly so, however I think the message he was trying to convey to his clearly uncooperative daughter was made stark and obvious with this action. Personally, I think that was a dead waste of a good laptop...
Because you apparently didn't read the article, here's some highlights, followed by a spoilered copy of the whole thing.

What this asshole is showing in the video said:
3) Narcissistic Parents Often Use Emotional Blackmail

Narcissistic parents can be indulgent and very affectionate as long as children are obedient. However, they might also become angry when faced with disobedience.

The showing of love is conditioned on how good the children make the parents feel, and this inconsistency or unpredictability tends to create emotional insecurity and co-dependence. The parent needs the child in order to feel good. And the other way around the child becomes responsible if the parent feels bad.

Children become confused by the vacillation between approval and punishment, and these mixed signals may cause feelings of betrayal because the same person who gives them love and stability is also the one who takes it away.

Very unbalanced narcissistic parents will often be engaged in criticizing their children and then justifying these actions by saying that they are just trying to help because they 'know what is best'.

They tend to make demeaning comments and might use favoritism or comparison between siblings or friends as a form of manipulation. They will constantly exalt one child and list all their good points with the implication that another child is unworthy or does not measure up.

As adults, children raised by such toxic parents may feel like they have to earn love. That love is dependent on something else, like their achievements.

Because of the unstable emotional climate in their childhood, as adults they fear abandonment if they do not perform according to expectations.

In order to ensure that they are needed, they often perceive their primary role to be 'taking care' of their spouse, partner, parent, friend, or employer.

2) Narcissistic Parents Struggle with Empathy and Emotional Connection
The personal needs of these parents are so overwhelming and dominant, that there is little space for the needs of others.

This means that they have tremendous difficulty with tuning in to their children's thoughts and feelings. Their own feelings and unmet needs simply overshadow everything.

Think about it! When you find yourself in emotional turmoil how much are you able to not only feel other people but also satisfy their emotional needs? Not much!

According to statistics, narcissistic parents were most likely raised by narcissists who were unable to give them the unconditional love they needed.

As a result, when these children have children of their own, they tend to perpetuate the cycle because they are constantly focused on their own unmet needs.
[footnote]Didn't he say he left his parents at 15? Why would anyone with a good home life do that?[/footnote]
4) Narcissistic Parents Must Always Be in Control
Parents with narcissistic personalities exercise controlling behavior by telling their children how they should feel, how they should behave, and what decisions they should make.

The result may be that these children never really develop their own interests because they are always being told what their preferences should be. In this way the space for children's autonomy is very little.

As children grow, the natural desire is to pursue the development of their personality, independence, and boundaries.

However, independence is a threat to a narcissist parent because the consequence is that they will not be needed anymore. Remember, children are the source of narcissistic supply or self-esteem.

In an attempt to maintain status quo, narcissistic parents might resort to various types of controlling behavior and control mechanisms in order to enforce compliance and prevent autonomy.


Control Mechanisms and Controlling Behavior
There are several control mechanisms that narcissistic parents might employ to have their children meet their needs.


1) Guilt Driven Control:
This kind of control says, "I have given my life for you. I have sacrificed everything for you."

It creates a sense of obligation in children and makes them feel as if they 'owe' their parents and must show their appreciation by making them happy or complying with their wishes.

4) Explicit Control:
Often parents with narcissistic tendencies will use more subtle or less obvious means of control and manipulation, but some parents will very explicitly say, "Obey me or I will punish you."

Children are expected to do what they are told and behave according to the rules or they will risk anger, silence, guilt, shame, or violence.


5) Love Withdrawal Control:
This kind of control says, "You are worthy of my love because you behave according to my expectations."

Parents are loving as long as children allow complete control but will withdraw that love when children refuse to obey.

Children are hesitant to express their feelings for fear of love withdrawal so they bury or deny their needs, resulting in a lack of self-awareness or independence.[footnote]Gee, wouldn't this explain why she might not be honest with her side of the story?[/footnote]

Basically, to earn love they find it necessary to become whoever their parents want them to be. [footnote]This one isn't explicitly present, but it is evident by the way the daughter changed her tune when she realized she had been caught, and his behavior matches it.[/footnote]
Deep Insights into Narcissistic Parents: Going Behind Their Controlling Behavior and Mapping Out Its Long Term Consequences
A Description of the Archetypical Narcissistic Parent
Recognize This?
What are narcissistic parents?

Well, I think most of us have actually already encountered one or two parents that could probably be labelled narcissistic to a more or less degree.

Here's the archetypical description of these kinds of toxic parents:

Imagine yourself being present at one of your kids' sports activities. For instance at the dance studios or soccer field sidelines.

You now take your time to look around at the other parents.

Now, the narcissistic parents may ones that at first seem positively and enthusiastically engaged in their kids' performances.

Ok, being involved in your kids is good. So what's the problem?

Well, at closer look, it may feel as these parents' aim is less to support their children and more about wanting to make sure that their children's skills and abilities are duly noticed and properly approved of.

In other words, it seems as if their engagement is more about ensuring externally recognized performance than being joyfully involved with their kids!

To enhance the approval of their child, these parents will typically be calling attention to their child (and thereby themselves) by overemphasizing and praising their achievements.

Another thing that is characteristic is this: Narcissistic parents tend to be very organized and seeming to have their children's future all mapped out.

They fill their children's calendar with various activities focussed on improving their skills in various areas and immerse themselves into their children's lives whenever possible e.g. by running every event or sitting on every council.

Why do narcissistic parents seem to put so much focus on their children?

Well, it all comes down to needs!

Read on!


A Narcissistic Parent Puts His or Her Own Needs for Recognition Before the Basic Needs of His or Her Child
At first glace, living the life of a narcissistic parent seems like a true self sacrifice.

Everything is about the child and it looks as if the parent gives up a lot of adult pleasures to be involved in their children's life and activities.

However, as it happens the child is not an end, the child is a means for something else. Attention, among other things.

The self sacrifice is not actually a sacrifice! The self sacrifice is a self written, fictional story that aims at justifying the egoic need that lies behind the 'self-less' actions.

You see, the child becomes a means for the parent to live out his or her own unfulfilled needs. Often these unfulfilled needs go all the way back to their own childhood.

Also without being consciously aware of it, they place a huge responsibility upon their children's shoulders.

The child's job is to live out the lifelong dream that they themselves never got around to or had the opportunity to.

Even though narcissistic parents (or toxic parents as they are also called) often love their children and perhaps think that by pacing their children they are paving the way for the children's future success, their primary motive is satisfaction of their own needs of external recognition. Not the needs of their children!


Narcissistic Parents Mold Children to Fit Their Own Ideal Image

Narcissistic Parents: Hands molding a cup of clay. A newborn is completely dependent on his parents to meet his most basic physical needs.

However, the narcissistic parent will attempt to perpetuate this dependence to the point where the child is not permitted to develop his or her own identity but is rather forced to become 'one with' the narcissist until there is no perceived difference (on the part of the narcissistic parent) between the parent and the child.

In this way the child is considered to be part of the narcissist parent.

From the parent's unconscious point of view, the child becomes an instrumental extension of himself or herself.

The child becomes the parent's source of "narcissistic supply" and the means of satisfying the parent's high need for attention.

These children are molded and shaped to realize their parent's dreams, goals, and fantasies. It is 'life by proxy'.


A List of Archetypical Traits of Narcissistic Parents
The character traits of these kinds of toxic parents may be seen in a hundred different ways and to list all these traits would take several pages and an endless amount of your time.

However, there are a few major factors that generally describe the typical narcissistic parent.


1) Narcissistic Parents Take Ownership of Their Children's Successes
As mentioned, the narcissistic parent feels deprived of recognition and lets this unfulfilled need guide their actions.

In other words, the goal is personal attention and external recognition.

If the child doesn't live up to these unspoken needs, the parents may react with quite a large emotional scale ranging from contempt, rage, pouting, silence to emotional, psychological, and even physical abuse, at the extreme end.

Basically, there is an unwritten, one-way agreement from parents to child, and when the parents feel that children are reneging on this agreement, they will feel they have been unjustly treated and betrayed.

In their mind they have 'sacrificed' everything for their children's successes, remember!

However, when the children are successful, the parents tend to take credit for their children's successes.

For example, if a child is congratulated for an award or recognition, the narcissistic parent might respond with something like, "He gets his academic ability from me. When I was his age I always had the highest grade in the class."

Or, "I spend hours at the hockey arena, get up early every morning to take him to practice, and work extra hours to make sure he always has the best equipment."

It sounds good, but what they are really saying is, "I have sacrificed my entire life for my child. They wouldn't be where they are if it wasn't for me, therefore, I am the one that really deserves the accolades."

In some cases, this can even go so far that the parents become envious or jealous of the children's recognitions and accomplishments.

Needless to say, this may cause a lot of confusion since these children are simply pursuing the goals outlined by their parents, yet they receive conflicting emotions when they realize success.


2) Narcissistic Parents Struggle with Empathy and Emotional Connection
The personal needs of these parents are so overwhelming and dominant, that there is little space for the needs of others.

This means that they have tremendous difficulty with tuning in to their children's thoughts and feelings. Their own feelings and unmet needs simply overshadow everything.

Think about it! When you find yourself in emotional turmoil how much are you able to not only feel other people but also satisfy their emotional needs? Not much!

According to statistics, narcissistic parents were most likely raised by narcissists who were unable to give them the unconditional love they needed.

As a result, when these children have children of their own, they tend to perpetuate the cycle because they are constantly focused on their own unmet needs.


3) Narcissistic Parents Often Use Emotional Blackmail

Narcissistic Parents: Silhouette of father disciplining his son. Narcissistic parents can be indulgent and very affectionate as long as children are obedient. However, they might also become angry when faced with disobedience.

The showing of love is conditioned on how good the children make the parents feel, and this inconsistency or unpredictability tends to create emotional insecurity and co-dependence. The parent needs the child in order to feel good. And the other way around the child becomes responsible if the parent feels bad.

Children become confused by the vacillation between approval and punishment, and these mixed signals may cause feelings of betrayal because the same person who gives them love and stability is also the one who takes it away.

Very unbalanced narcissistic parents will often be engaged in criticizing their children and then justifying these actions by saying that they are just trying to help because they 'know what is best'.

They tend to make demeaning comments and might use favoritism or comparison between siblings or friends as a form of manipulation. They will constantly exalt one child and list all their good points with the implication that another child is unworthy or does not measure up.

As adults, children raised by such toxic parents may feel like they have to earn love. That love is dependent on something else, like their achievements.

Because of the unstable emotional climate in their childhood, as adults they fear abandonment if they do not perform according to expectations.

In order to ensure that they are needed, they often perceive their primary role to be 'taking care' of their spouse, partner, parent, friend, or employer.


4) Narcissistic Parents Must Always Be in Control

Narcissistic Parents: Photo of a clenched fist. Parents with narcissistic personalities exercise controlling behavior by telling their children how they should feel, how they should behave, and what decisions they should make.

The result may be that these children never really develop their own interests because they are always being told what their preferences should be. In this way the space for children's autonomy is very little.

As children grow, the natural desire is to pursue the development of their personality, independence, and boundaries.

However, independence is a threat to a narcissist parent because the consequence is that they will not be needed anymore. Remember, children are the source of narcissistic supply or self-esteem.

In an attempt to maintain status quo, narcissistic parents might resort to various types of controlling behavior and control mechanisms in order to enforce compliance and prevent autonomy.


Control Mechanisms and Controlling Behavior
There are several control mechanisms that narcissistic parents might employ to have their children meet their needs.


1) Guilt Driven Control:
This kind of control says, "I have given my life for you. I have sacrificed everything for you."

It creates a sense of obligation in children and makes them feel as if they 'owe' their parents and must show their appreciation by making them happy or complying with their wishes.


2) Co-Dependent Control:
This kind of control says, "I need you. I cannot face life without you."

Children are often prevented from having their own relationships or friendships because it threatens their status in the parents' lives.

In this way, children come to feel responsible for their parents' happiness and well-being and are easily manipulated through guilt.


3) Goal Driven Control:
This kind of control says, "We must work together to achieve a common goal."

Unfortunately these goals are usually the dreams and passions of the parents and children are simply a way for parents to vicariously realize their unfulfilled needs.

Children feel like they will disappoint their parents or let them down if they do not live up to expectations, and believe that achieving the goal will earn them the love and acceptance they so strongly desire.


4) Explicit Control:
Often parents with narcissistic tendencies will use more subtle or less obvious means of control and manipulation, but some parents will very explicitly say, "Obey me or I will punish you."

Children are expected to do what they are told and behave according to the rules or they will risk anger, silence, guilt, shame, or violence.


5) Love Withdrawal Control:
This kind of control says, "You are worthy of my love because you behave according to my expectations."

Parents are loving as long as children allow complete control but will withdraw that love when children refuse to obey.

Children are hesitant to express their feelings for fear of love withdrawal so they bury or deny their needs, resulting in a lack of self-awareness or independence.

Basically, to earn love they find it necessary to become whoever their parents want them to be.


6) Emotional Incest Control:
Narcissistic parents will often use their children to fulfill needs that are not being met from other relationships in their lives.

In fact, children are often expected to deal with adult issues and are put in the middle of disputes that pit one parent against another.

This kind of control says, "You are my true love, my only passion, the most important person in my life, and together we can stand against the world."

This forces the child to make difficult decisions. How can he take his father's side when his mother needs him, or how can he defend his mother when his father is constantly feeding him negative or demeaning thoughts about her?


Two Possible Scenarios for Children with Unresolved Issues Because of Narcissistic Parents
Sadly, children of narcissistic parents rarely have their own emotional needs met, and if the issue goes unresolved, one of two scenarios typically results:

1) These children will become parents with narcissistic traits themselves, using their own children as a means of attempting to fulfill their unmet needs, thus perpetuating the cycle.

2) Or, they will become what is called an 'inverted narcissist' or a 'covert narcissist'. In this case, they remain the codependent and will actually seek out relationships with narcissists, despite the abuse they may experience.

Fortunately some children of narcissistic parents do manage to break the narcissist circle or the dependency pattern and become the creators in their own lives.

There are many resources out there to help adults recover from narcissistic abuse, for instance the self help group Adults Recovering from Narcissistic Parents or blogs with personal stories


Unconditional vs. Conditional Love
The approach of unconditional parenting or the unconditional positive regard focuses on complete full acceptance of children irrelevant of their behavior, achievements or personality.

The goal of this is to support the child's sense of self and pave the way for the child to realize his or her own full potential without him or her being afraid of failing or disappointing his or her parents in the process.

The goal of unconditional parenting is thus to install the belief that love doesn't have to earned or worked for.

As a child, you are simply loved because you exist!


Your Positive Parenting Ally,
Birgitte
 

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There is so much win is this video!
and i can't see how people can whine about what he did.

did he physically hurt her? no.
did he threaten her in any way? no.
was what he did dangerous for anyone at all? no.

all he did was use her laptop as a shooting target. what the difference from using a big poster of a man as a target and a laptop as a target? none.

both of those are objects which can use for whatever he wants to. if he wants to use a laptop as a target. he can.

and he clearly wasn't out of control. i don't think that if he was out of control he would calmly read her post and calmly explain why she is a spoiled brat.

and this was not the first time she did this. and when she was busted last time the dad said that if she ever did something like this again it would be much worse than being grounded.
she made her choice and she paid the price.

about the chores, she made it sound a lot worse than it really was. she did have to clean the whole house. she did not have to make everyone beds. she wanted attention and wanted people to feel sorry for her so she exaggerated everything.

this, in my opinion, is brilliant. if she doesn't get the picture now she has to be REALLY stupid.
 

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Mortai Gravesend said:
Hyperrhombus said:
Mikodite said:
He isn't disciplining bad behaviour:he's asserting dominance. See it for what it is.
Ok. So what exactly is wrong with that? He is her father, she is still a child, he still has legal responsibility over her and for her actions. I'd actually be more disturbed if he didn't have dominance over her - that's also known as having no control over your children.
There's a difference between being in charge and just asserting dominance. At the end when he's demanding she pay for the bullets he used to destroy her laptop even... that's just rubbing it in for the sake of saying "I can do what I like and you have to clean up the mess." There's no semblance of just trying to show that he has some kind of legal responsibility over her, it's saying that he has power over her and he can use it however he likes.
I agree that making her pay for the bullets is stupid, but I disagree that he is showing her he can use his power any way he likes; She had already done something similar to this before, and was warned previously the punishment would be more severe if there was a repeat. By deliberately stepping up and doing the exact same thing, I think all that he was doing was sticking by his guns - the one he loaded last time it happened. Though shooting the laptop was bad, doing nothing would be far, far worse, as it shows her that her father makes empty threats.

Also, if he had sold her laptop, or made her give it to a charity, wouldn't that also be demonstrating his power over her?
 

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You have drawn parallels in the details; the overarching theme is narcissism - in this case of the parent and his image of his child. He is disappointed in his child - this is natural, what with crap about him on bookface. But shooting his daughters laptop AND making it extremely public? I would have thought if he were narcissistic, then firstly, he would never have acted against these rebellious signs this late in time, and secondly, wouldn't he want to give an image of himself as a caring father raising a high-achieving daughter, not one that publicly shoots her laptop for disappointing him? I can see the parallels you're drawing, but the key difference IMHO is that any narcissistic parent wouldnt do any of that stuff in public, or shove these actions in the faces of anyone, like he did with his daughters friends.
 

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Hyperrhombus said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
You have drawn parallels in the details; the overarching theme is narcissism - in this case of the parent and his image of his child. He is disappointed in his child - this is natural, what with crap about him on bookface. But shooting his daughters laptop AND making it extremely public? I would have thought if he were narcissistic, then firstly, he would never have acted against these rebellious signs this late in time, and secondly, wouldn't he want to give an image of himself as a caring father raising a high-achieving daughter, not one that publicly shoots her laptop for disappointing him? I can see the parallels you're drawing, but the key difference IMHO is that any narcissistic parent wouldnt do any of that stuff in public, or shove these actions in the faces of anyone, like he did with his daughters friends.
They would if they thought it would make them look like a good parent who is struggling with an ungrateful child. Narcissists vacillate between wanting to be seen as martyrs who are no better or worse than anyone else, but stuck in bad circumstances, and wanting to be seen as perfect in the eyes of the world. This gives him both. And anyway, it's not really the diagnosis I care about: it's the emotional abuse he's inflicting on his poor child. She's the one I'm worried about here.
 

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What a stupid publicity stunt, look at the guy's Facebook wall.

It's either staged, or the Dad is exploiting the opportunity to teach his daughter a lesson by humiliating her on the internet and giving her a permanent scar on her reputation. Meanwhile "Super Dad" attention whores all the media.

If he was really in it just for the moral lesson, he would've shown the video to his daughter, not everyone in the world.
And this is exactly what I'm getting at with the whole "he might have NPD" thing. He seems to be taking to the fame a bit too happily for someone who just wanted to discipline a misbehaving child. He's also raised a heck of a lot of money, although it's going to charity[footnote]On the other hand, that may be another attempt at ego stroking "he made millions on his video, but it all went to charity. What a great guy!"[/footnote]
 

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Mortai Gravesend said:
Hyperrhombus said:
Mortai Gravesend said:
Hyperrhombus said:
Mikodite said:
He isn't disciplining bad behaviour:he's asserting dominance. See it for what it is.
Ok. So what exactly is wrong with that? He is her father, she is still a child, he still has legal responsibility over her and for her actions. I'd actually be more disturbed if he didn't have dominance over her - that's also known as having no control over your children.
There's a difference between being in charge and just asserting dominance. At the end when he's demanding she pay for the bullets he used to destroy her laptop even... that's just rubbing it in for the sake of saying "I can do what I like and you have to clean up the mess." There's no semblance of just trying to show that he has some kind of legal responsibility over her, it's saying that he has power over her and he can use it however he likes.
I agree that making her pay for the bullets is stupid, but I disagree that he is showing her he can use his power any way he likes; She had already done something similar to this before, and was warned previously the punishment would be more severe if there was a repeat. By deliberately stepping up and doing the exact same thing, I think all that he was doing was sticking by his guns - the one he loaded last time it happened. Though shooting the laptop was bad, doing nothing would be far, far worse, as it shows her that her father makes empty threats.
'Sticking to his guns' doesn't justify anything. If I promise I'll beat you up if you do something that does not justify beating you up if you do it. The fact it is fulfilling a promise is irrelevant. If it was alright to do it was alright to do before said promise, if it was wrong to do then it was wrong to do after said promise. Doing things based on 'I said I would' whether they make sense to do or not is bad example to set.

And he is showing her he can use it however he likes, by doing things like making her pay for the software and the bullets. You haven't addressed how that isn't him just showing he can do what he wants. It's there simply to humiliate her and say that he can do what he wants however unfair it is because he's the one in charge.


Also, if he had sold her laptop, or made her give it to a charity, wouldn't that also be demonstrating his power over her?
To a degree. Not really in the same manner as making her pay for the damage he did.
But surely 'I said I would' is still better than 'I did say I would, but I'll let you off this time, make sure it doesn't happen again, or else I will'? I think choosing the latter would only start a vicious circle in which she would ultimately get to do as she pleases, the exact opposite of what he's trying to achieve.

Having grown up in a house where "because I'm your parent" was a valid answer to any question (which I learned the hard way), I feel she should've shown a great deal more respect towards her father to begin with. It's natural for tennagers to be rebellious for a while, but repeatedly flaunting it in public knowing her father works in IT? Something like this happening was inevitable, I think.
 

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I'm not annoyed that he overreacted to a Facebook post. I'm not annoyed that he obviously invaded her privacy by going onto her browser, loading up Facebook and looking at her posts because he doesn't trust her. I'm annoyed that he's got such issues that he's not facing.

tl;dr This girl will now grow up to resent her father because he blew his fuse at something so minor rather than talking it out.
Pretty much this a thousand times. As a child, I would see or hear about how other parents (the kind we always said shouldn't be parents) would treat their children; flying off the handle over the tiniest thing, disproportionate punishment, etc. And now people are actually advocating this kind of fucking behaviour?

Gods, it's no wonder so many kids are turning out to be problematic. Look at what parents are doing. You don't blow up your kid's computer cause they said something on Facebook about not liking chores, or whatever it was she said. You sit down and have a long discussion about it, perhaps take her laptop away for a while.

I would hate for some of the people in this thread to become parents, because it clearly sounds like you have no idea what the hell you're doing.

EDIT: Thank you to people like Mikodite, Daveman, and Stalydan for having both the intelligence to see the elephants in the room and for actually saying so instead of praising the father for what he did.
 

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So many posters in this thread have no grounding in reality it is mind-boggling.

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Thank you for making so much sense in this sea of...nonsense.

I have a feeling, and I mentioned this earlier, that most of the posters trying to flame the guy are probably teenagers themselves and will never "bow" to authority no matter what, and they're trying to be just as rebellious as she was. Perhaps when they have a career and children, they will think differently, especially when their kids defy them.
 

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
Hyperrhombus said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
You have drawn parallels in the details; the overarching theme is narcissism - in this case of the parent and his image of his child. He is disappointed in his child - this is natural, what with crap about him on bookface. But shooting his daughters laptop AND making it extremely public? I would have thought if he were narcissistic, then firstly, he would never have acted against these rebellious signs this late in time, and secondly, wouldn't he want to give an image of himself as a caring father raising a high-achieving daughter, not one that publicly shoots her laptop for disappointing him? I can see the parallels you're drawing, but the key difference IMHO is that any narcissistic parent wouldnt do any of that stuff in public, or shove these actions in the faces of anyone, like he did with his daughters friends.
They would if they thought it would make them look like a good parent who is struggling with an ungrateful child. Narcissists vacillate between wanting to be seen as martyrs who are no better or worse than anyone else, but stuck in bad circumstances, and wanting to be seen as perfect in the eyes of the world. This gives him both. And anyway, it's not really the diagnosis I care about: it's the emotional abuse he's inflicting on his poor child. She's the one I'm worried about here.
Okay, thanks for clarifying the condition for me.

I don't want to, but I'll have to agree that this is a form of emotional abuse to a point, but isn't that what punishment is supposed to be? Perhaps shooting her laptop was excessive, but much like in real life, the punishment may not fit the crime, like getting more jail time for rioting in London than for GBH. Knowingly, publicly and repeatedly pissing off her father online is not a good way to keep good relations with her father, and any punishment going her way is deserved, at least in part.

Of course, the father may also feel guilt about doing this in the next few days; It's still a little too early to be fully judging the situation when not all the information is known.