Dad uses Facebook to teach daughter a lesson.

[Motiv_]

I'm more upset at the ammo he wasted.

Come on man, .45 hollowpoints? Those motherfuckers are expensive.

 

[Yokai]

Really I think it would have been just as effective if he'd boxed it up on camera and mailed it somewhere far away. Shooting it was a waste of his own money, and valuable, useful electronics. And it wasn't even impressive the way he shot it; it was less "here's a dramatic lesson in how not to act" and more "look at me I have a gun Imma shoot it now". So yes, he should not have used a gun and he should not have destroyed it. Otherwise I think he was completely in the right.

 

[Strain42]

Really I think it would have been just as effective if he'd boxed it up on camera and mailed it somewhere far away. Shooting it was a waste of his own money, and valuable, useful electronics.

Wouldn't that be even more expensive? It does kinda cost money to mail stuff, and even with a flat rate box, one that a laptop would fit in would probably cost more than those bullets.

The message he wanted to send by shooting it was that he stands by his word, since last time she bashed him on Facebook he did tell her if she ever did that again he'd put a bullet through it.

 

[Dethenger]

I don't think it was necessary to shoot the fucking thing, but since he actually filmed it and whatnot, I'll give him some leeway and some points for style. Point is, he made a threat and he followed through. I can't really assess the situation, because I don't really have all the information, but I will say this: He spent 120 bucks and several hours fixing her goddamn computer, an act of generosity I don't think it's unreasonable to suspect isn't unique (he says he's an IT guy), and after that, reads a post she wrote about how her parents make her life hard? I'd have fucking lost it too. Maybe not "shoot her laptop 9 times" lost it, but definitely take it away and not give it back. Shooting it was probably just his way of really, really getting the point across.

I'll also say he used the gun responsibly. Maybe not all that--ah-- maturely, depending on how you look at the situation, but he did it in an empty field where nobody would get hurt.

 

[Crazzy349]

Do you know what my dad when I screwed up? He kicked down my door to my room. one time I bad mouthed my mother while he was walking in the room, do you know what he did? He took me to my room, Placed my PS2 on the floor, Very calmly took out my JAK II disk and placed on my desk, grabbed his framed Bowie Knife named Betty, And proceeded to brutally stab my PS2. He stabbed it 13 times, while cursing and calling me every name under the moon. THEN, he took out me and my PS2 outside, put my PS2 on the ground, pulled out his .45 filled with regular rounds, and shot it until he was empty. Then ran it over with his truck.

That was-i think-4 years ago when I was 15 years old.

What my dad did was a overreaction, but it got the message to "Respect my Parents" through.

She complained about having to do the most trivial chores, and she disrespected her parents on facebook, and having done something similar to that before, she should have learned her lesson but didn't, so her dad did something drastic.
What this guy did to (HIS) Laptop was, in no way, a over reaction.
He was calm, and did in a very safe place, putting only himself in harms way.
That was true parenting right there.

I would have done the same thing if i was that situation.
The only thing I wouldn't do is post it on Youtube, because everyone thinks guns are bad. I don't know why, would you idiots rather he'd stab it with a Bowie knife? He was completely calm, shot the laptop with the safest rounds he could of, and did it while nobody was around.

Tough love is necessarily, it helps getting lessons through to kids.
I would personally thank my dad (If I could) for what he did that day, it set me straight, and made me a better person.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

The people saying this was wrong makes me want to quit this site. I wouldn't be shocked to find that 80% of them are the age of that daughter.

Teenage girls are some of the worst people on the planet, and action like this is absolutely necessary once they go sour. I'm certain that she thinks her dad is a psychopath, but that will change when she finally saves up enough money to replace the laptop. She will gain appreciation for all that he does for her, and a little sweeping and cleaning dirty dishes will seem like a walk to the other side of the house.

See this is a subject on which I sit on the fence. On one hand, I can support %100 what he's trying to achieve: disciplining his daughter for breaking the law of the home, of which he and his wife are basically God. I agree that you don't take guff like her's as a parent, test the boundries all you like just don't get too shocked when the electric fence gets you.

My issue is the method. Airing your dirty laundry in public like this is poor form in my opinion. Also, declaration of bias: I'm an Aussie, so limited gun exposure. I find the idea of using a weapon to prove a point when punishing your child for stepping out of line, kinda fucked.

Honestly, if he'd stripped her room of every luxury item and thrown the laptop into a trash compactor, I'd pretty much be with him all the way. I just think using the gun was distasteful, has done nothing other than provoked the wrong kind of debate and put his fellow gun owners under even further scrutiny because he has misused his rights.

It's actually not that big of a deal here in America. Using a gun on an inanimate object? No harm no foul. Using a gun on a person? Call da po-po.

It's like if Cthulhu lived on your street corner. It would be mind breakingly terrifying at first, but after about a week you learn to deal with it and it's suddenly not such a big shocker.

As I said, its a cultural divide. Don't get me wrong, I'm fond of guns. They're fascinating constructs of mechanics and chemistry, honed from the the most inaccurate canons of chivalric warfare, to the long range rifle accurate to over a kilometre. A gun is not the tool of a moron, despite attracting them in droves. And as most others have pointed out, from a physical saftey perspective (location, choice of ammunition, orientation of target etc); he has fulfilled all the required criteria. I just feel there's been a failure to adhere to a philosophical saftey.

A gross failure in attempting to do the right thing, but an attempt none-the-less.

 

[GeneralFungi]

I wonder what sort of skills he used as an 'IT guy'. I know my parents accidentally logged into my younger brother's facebook by clicking log in and not seeing that his password was saved into the computer.

On topic; I won't delve into the ethical use of a gun, but this looks to me like the whole issue was caused by a lack of communication. The problem worsened even after his failed attempts at threatening her into obedience, then he simply destroyed the laptop and possibly scarred their relationship irreparably. He has good intention, but he's been doing the exact same thing his daughter was doing to him, though in a different way. He avoided facing the problem with his daughter by simply punishing her and hoping she'd get the message, while she avoided the problem by discussing it with friends on facebook. Even if she learned not to behave in the way she was (acting in a way she shouldn't), she learned not to do it for all of the wrong reasons. How will this lesson translate into adulthood where she doesn't run the risk of her father interfering?

And how can he scoff at her for wanting to earn a bit of money for her doing chores? What's the difference between giving her nice gifts every once in a while for doing chores (something she would come to expect and get accustomed to) or her earning a small steady sum of cash that she can use to purchase these things herself instead of her father giving it to her directly? She gets all of the satisfaction of earning something she owns while also learning the value of money and the work required to get nice things. And her father doesn't need to pay more then he would usually want to as a side bonus.

 

[Heinrich843]

I don't have any problem with the the destruction of his own property with a firearm, but he comes off as threatening. As in the on the verge of threatening to shoot other children's property for agreeing with his daughter.

The inability to control one's anger has a much greater role in societal harmony than a right to own a firearm will ever. This could be just as disturbing if he was wielding a giant knife, a sword, a bow, a hammer, or any other tool.

Here is someone who can barely put sentences together because they're seething with rage, shooting a laptop and then posting the video of it online to let other people's children "see what happens" when they cross him.

He obviously hasn't hurt anyone or put anyone in danger, and so he should maintain his rights. However, some introspection and anger management could really do this guy some good.

 

[Mcupobob]

"Oh my god one idiot missuses a firearm, quick ban them forever and forever."

Hang on, let me put this in a context the escapist can understand and see why this is stupid and overblown.

"Kid died while playing video games all night, oh my god ban all video games!!"

 

[Mayamellissa]

I thought it was awesome and I don't care that he used a gun. If he had set it on fire after sledge hammering it, I would have enjoyed it all the same. Maybe his daughter will now realize just how good she had it and other kids will reflect before doing stupid things like she did while her parents provide her such cushy luxuries.

 

[schtingah]

Newsflash, no kid likes doing chores and all kids complain to their friends about their parents. It's kind of how it works.

The fact that the dad has used that to probably irreparably damage his relationship with his daughter seems like a lame move on his part.

It's been proven that you get much better results as a parent by rewarding good behavior more than punishing bad behavior.

So yeah...

 

[Knight Templar]

That is not the kind of person who should own a gun, pissing away money and what relationship he had with his daughter because she's acting her age and he doesn't know how to be a parent?

 

[Foxtrotk72]

well that's a good way to deal with a kid who bitches about her own parents on Facebook. I couldn't help but laugh at the part when the dad shot her laptop, really she is stupid for doing that but having a dad that works in IT they now away around things.

 

[zerobudgetgamer]

And how can he scoff at her for wanting to earn a bit of money for her doing chores? What's the difference between giving her nice gifts every once in a while for doing chores (something she would come to expect and get accustomed to) or her earning a small steady sum of cash that she can use to purchase these things herself instead of her father giving it to her directly? She gets all of the satisfaction of earning something she owns while also learning the value of money and the work required to get nice things. And her father doesn't need to pay more then he would usually want to as a side bonus.

The problem I see is that she's really not doing enough to warrant payment. I have to believe that the father's list is the more realistic one - sweep the floors, wipe the counter, make your own bed, do your own laundry, empty the dishwasher - and note the last one. EMPTY the dishwasher. She doesn't even have to HAND WASH the dishes, she just needs to look in the machine every day and put away the dishes if they're clean. There was no talk of dusting, vacuuming, taking care of pets, or really anything that requires more than thirty minutes of work.

And like he said, he just spent his own time and money upgrading her computer. I live around 4 years in the past technologically because my parents don't see the "need" to be in the here and now, and this little girl has a dad who's willing and able to keep her tech up and running for her. She doesn't need to be paid by them, she already has not only a roof over her head and food every day - which some parents see as enough - but she used to have up-to-date technology her parents bought for her. I know she's only 15, and the dad's probably being a little too harsh on the "Get a Job" front, but yeah, if she really wants all this stuff, she shouldn't be whining to her parents to get it for her, at least not without offering to do FAR, FAAR more around the house.

Now, was shooting the laptop necessary? Not really, though he did take it away from her before and warned her next time would be worse, so, as little as I like the thought of wasting money, destruction definitely seems the most obvious form of "worse" and he'd probably be looked at as some psycho parent if he took a sledgehammer to the thing. At least with his Gun he shot at it relatively calmly, but he wanted to make sure not a single bit of it could be recovered, so he gave the initial shots, then one for the mother, and he only had two bullets left, so may as well use them up.

 

[Arakasi]

I find it amusing that people see fit to tell others how to parent.
If it isn't your kid, and the kid isn't being abused, you can get your damn nose out of it.

 

[Smeggs]

If I were the father, I wouldn't have shot it, as I do not own a gun.

I would have, however, backed over it with my car a few times. If she didn't get the message the first time then she sure as hell got it after he put seven rounds into the laptop, which he bought her, making it his property.

I'm in goddamn college right now fulltime, have a job, and am still expected to do more than her in chores while I'm under my parent's roof. You don't get paid for doing things that are expected of you. You're being fed and clothed, given an education and shelter, and hopefully not being treated like scum. I'd consider only having to do dishes and laundry and dust to be a pretty damned sweet deal.

All the time you spend bitching about it is time that could've been spent simply doing it in the first place. Ungrateful whiner.

 

[axlryder]

I believe it's an issue because so many people agree with the method he used. A gun is flat out a lethal tool. No one was in danger nor was he protecting anyone or himself. The fact that so many find this acceptable is deplorable. So we use lethal weapons and tools now to prove a point? And at worse, it's childish? Why don't we fire a nuclear weapon into an unpopulated area to show North Korea that we aren't accepting their terms of testing nuclear weapons.

I can understand a blunt object not being as bad or a hammer, or running it over with a car. Granted that all of the above can be lethal, but they weren't made with lethal intent. Honestly, I find as many people as I saw agreeing with this method disturbing. Borderline frightening.

Edit: Although, I think we can all agree to a father punishing his daughter for what he believes to be disrespect.

bro, chill out. If you'd actually watched some of his other videos you'd understand that this man has a LOT of experience with guns. He did what he did in a calm frame of mind and clearly had all his wits about it. Heck, he talked to his wife about it beforehand so he obviously thought it over and discussed it with someone else instead of being rash. Where you seem to be deluded is that you treat guns as though they're some kind of special tool that deserves a different kind of respect than a sledge hammer or a car. No, guns, like anything else, simply deserve to be used under whatever precautionary measures are necessary to ensure the safety of others. Just because this particular device is designed to rapidly expel a metal object from its chamber doesn't mean he's suddenly an irresponsible asshole for using it to do something that doesn't involve killing something else (its "intended purpose"). Cars are flat out lethal too, but you don't seem to object to him running it over. Now, what I disagree with is the existence of this video. He shouldn't have posted this on facebook at all. He also shouldn't have destroyed the laptop at all. That's a waste. However, I completely agree with the actual message of the vid.

 

[SnakeoilSage]

So this video came from Al Jazeera, right? Because they post a lot of terrorist crap like this on their network. You know, some jittery psychopath with poorly kept facial hair giving a hate-slurred speech and firing off a gun to punctuate his threats?

People like that scare the hell out of me because they have that look on their face like they're absolutely justified in being raging maniacs.