Dad uses Facebook to teach daughter a lesson.

[axlryder]

So this video came from Al Jazeera, right? Because they post a lot of terrorist crap like this on their network. You know, some jittery psychopath with poorly kept facial hair giving a hate-slurred speech and firing off a gun to punctuate his threats?

People like that scare the hell out of me because they have that look on their face like they're absolutely justified in being raging maniacs.

no, you seem to be confused about the content of the video. It featured a fairly calm man with well kept facial hair making a reasonable statement and firing off a gun to carry out his previous warnings.

You should learn to differentiate better.

 

[Aurgelmir]

Is he an asshole for shooting the laptop, sure. He is also my hero for teaching his self entitled ***** of a daughter a lesson.

Well considering he did say that he would put a bullet through her computer if she ever did something like that again, I would say he just followed through on his threats.

Hope that little brat learned her lesson.

 

[axlryder]

I find it amusing that people see fit to tell others how to parent.
If it isn't your kid, and the kid isn't being abused, you can get your damn nose out of it.

Nah, I think we can still judge it regardless. No reason not to. People's parenting is not sacrosanct and it would be silly to treat it as such. We have some information, and given that information sometimes we can make judgments. No reason to refrain from doing so if we feel we have sufficient information.

Not to mention that this video was released specifically for general public viewing.

 

[Signa]

The people saying this was wrong makes me want to quit this site. I wouldn't be shocked to find that 80% of them are the age of that daughter.

Teenage girls are some of the worst people on the planet, and action like this is absolutely necessary once they go sour. I'm certain that she thinks her dad is a psychopath, but that will change when she finally saves up enough money to replace the laptop. She will gain appreciation for all that he does for her, and a little sweeping and cleaning dirty dishes will seem like a walk to the other side of the house.

See this is a subject on which I sit on the fence. On one hand, I can support %100 what he's trying to achieve: disciplining his daughter for breaking the law of the home, of which he and his wife are basically God. I agree that you don't take guff like her's as a parent, test the boundries all you like just don't get too shocked when the electric fence gets you.

My issue is the method. Airing your dirty laundry in public like this is poor form in my opinion. Also, declaration of bias: I'm an Aussie, so limited gun exposure. I find the idea of using a weapon to prove a point when punishing your child for stepping out of line, kinda fucked.

Honestly, if he'd stripped her room of every luxury item and thrown the laptop into a trash compactor, I'd pretty much be with him all the way. I just think using the gun was distasteful, has done nothing other than provoked the wrong kind of debate and put his fellow gun owners under even further scrutiny because he has misused his rights.

How would you feel if you removed the parts about airing the dirty laundry and the part about being punished by a gun? As an American, using a gun like that just doesn't make a blip as a factor in this. The point that I take, and I expect the girl to take is the fact that the laptop was destroyed. The gun was the same as a car tire, sledge hammer, or vegetables launched from a high-powered slingshot and is completely irrelevant to the punishment. As far as the dirty laundry goes, the dad had this to day:

While we appreciate the interest you?re all putting forth to get in touch with us regarding the video, we?re not going to go on your talk show, not going to call in to your radio show, and not going to be in your TV mini-series.

Some of you think I made an acceptable parenting decision and others think I didn?t[, but] there?s absolutely NO way I?m going to send my child the message that it?s OK to gain from something like this. It would send her a message that it?s OK to profit at the expense of someone else?s embarrassment or misfortune and that?s now how I was raised, nor how she has been raised.

There are too many other REAL issues out there that could use this attention you?re giving us. My daughter isn?t hurt, emotionally scarred, or otherwise damaged, but that kind of publicity has never seemed to be to have a positive effect on any child or family.

Basically, while the whole thing went viral, the parent's decision wasn't intending for it to do so. The punishment was meant to show her friends that her behavior was unacceptable, which it was. Had he just sold the laptop or removed it some other way, her friends would still have her side of the story as the final word. Had he posted his response on her wall in the form of text, it would not have had the same impact.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

The people saying this was wrong makes me want to quit this site. I wouldn't be shocked to find that 80% of them are the age of that daughter.

Teenage girls are some of the worst people on the planet, and action like this is absolutely necessary once they go sour. I'm certain that she thinks her dad is a psychopath, but that will change when she finally saves up enough money to replace the laptop. She will gain appreciation for all that he does for her, and a little sweeping and cleaning dirty dishes will seem like a walk to the other side of the house.

See this is a subject on which I sit on the fence. On one hand, I can support %100 what he's trying to achieve: disciplining his daughter for breaking the law of the home, of which he and his wife are basically God. I agree that you don't take guff like her's as a parent, test the boundries all you like just don't get too shocked when the electric fence gets you.

My issue is the method. Airing your dirty laundry in public like this is poor form in my opinion. Also, declaration of bias: I'm an Aussie, so limited gun exposure. I find the idea of using a weapon to prove a point when punishing your child for stepping out of line, kinda fucked.

Honestly, if he'd stripped her room of every luxury item and thrown the laptop into a trash compactor, I'd pretty much be with him all the way. I just think using the gun was distasteful, has done nothing other than provoked the wrong kind of debate and put his fellow gun owners under even further scrutiny because he has misused his rights.

How would you feel if you removed the parts about airing the dirty laundry and the part about being punished by a gun? As an American, using a gun like that just doesn't make a blip as a factor in this. The point that I take, and I expect the girl to take is the fact that the laptop was destroyed. The gun was the same as a car tire, sledge hammer, or vegetables launched from a high-powered slingshot and is completely irrelevant to the punishment. As far as the dirty laundry goes, the dad had this to day:

While we appreciate the interest you?re all putting forth to get in touch with us regarding the video, we?re not going to go on your talk show, not going to call in to your radio show, and not going to be in your TV mini-series.

Some of you think I made an acceptable parenting decision and others think I didn?t[, but] there?s absolutely NO way I?m going to send my child the message that it?s OK to gain from something like this. It would send her a message that it?s OK to profit at the expense of someone else?s embarrassment or misfortune and that?s now how I was raised, nor how she has been raised.

There are too many other REAL issues out there that could use this attention you?re giving us. My daughter isn?t hurt, emotionally scarred, or otherwise damaged, but that kind of publicity has never seemed to be to have a positive effect on any child or family.

Basically, while the whole thing went viral, the parent's decision wasn't intending for it to do so. The punishment was meant to show her friends that her behavior was unacceptable, which it was. Had he just sold the laptop or removed it some other way, her friends would still have her side of the story as the final word. Had he posted his response on her wall in the form of text, it would not have had the same impact.

If he wasn't expecting this to go viral, then he's a fool. I appreciate his savvy in dealing with the fallout, but posting a video on Facebook (via Youtube) calling out your daughter on her shitty behaviour that more or less finishes off with you pulling a gun, emptying it into the laptop and dropping a one-liner.....this was never going to do anything BUT go viral.

In fact, had he not aired this in public, he could still have shot shit out of the thing and I'd not care by way of being ignorant of the fact that he did.

 

[boyvirgo666]

Actually it is a right in America and that's not going to be changed so you're wrong

Though I agree it was wrong to use a .45 like I said in the other thread. A 12 gauge with buckshot would've been about 20% cooler

Rights should be either taken away or made more strict when abused by an individual. When someone boycotts someone's funeral, they should be sued for disturbing the peace and harassment, when someone unloads an entire clip into a computer for the sake of being angry they should lose their right to use a firearm due to displaying little to no discipline with the tool.

I'm not wrong since our rights have been violated anyway, as our right to a fair trial when under arrest has been revoked anyway. (Which I do no see any positive outcome from and I do not support.) A gun is not a plaything or a toy. I'm not sure if you a trolling or you are honestly that deluded.

Edit: Besides, the law states that American's have the right to bare arms. Not to discharge them under any circumstance.

He didnt abuse anything. He did what he thought was right as a parent.

Also while i disagree and hate the WB church it is there freedom of speech to do that. Its also the same freedom of the bikers who threaten them when they do it. I dont know where you planned to go with this but what if i considered your entire speech there an abuse of the rights you were given? I found the entire post ignorant and short sighted.

 

[boyvirgo666]

So this video came from Al Jazeera, right? Because they post a lot of terrorist crap like this on their network. You know, some jittery psychopath with poorly kept facial hair giving a hate-slurred speech and firing off a gun to punctuate his threats?

People like that scare the hell out of me because they have that look on their face like they're absolutely justified in being raging maniacs.

So this was posted by a drunk college student with no understanding of fine beards right?

 

[Aprilgold]

Eh, I would've done a similar thing. I would clout a few arrow/bolts into it and I'll be more indiscriminate by using broad-tips. Even if I didn't have a bow/crossbow, I would've used a sledgehammer or similar hitting tool.

I honestly don't see your point and comes across as zealous. He got angry and used his method to destroy the object like anybody would have.

I think its the fact that he used a gun to teach a lesson to his daughter for a certain facebook post. I'm not throwing it your point out of the window, but he mishandled a fire arm and should be punished for doing so.

He was creative, what else would he use? A shovel? He had every right to do it, calm down, he shot a computer, not a living being

What if he was pissed off by a person in public, and used the gun on hand on said person. You see where I'm going with this, yes, he had every right to destroy the computer, but he didn't exactly use a gun responsibly.

"Oh my god one idiot missuses a firearm, quick ban them forever and forever."

Hang on, let me put this in a context the escapist can understand and see why this is stupid and overblown.

"Kid died while playing video games all night, oh my god ban all video games!!"

Yeah that is a good way to put some reactions into context, but honestly, you shouldn't be using a hand gun, a tool made to wage war and protect ones self. And use it to teach a lesson to your daughter.

That is not the kind of person who should own a gun, pissing away money and what relationship he had with his daughter because she's acting her age and he doesn't know how to be a parent?

This is essentially what I'm getting at. He didn't do the correct parental thing and talk it over with the child, and instead used violence to make the lesson for him.

 

[Sentox6]

Edit: Also, I'm not advocating guilty until proven innocent.

The point is whether or not the man is an abuser -- and he's certainly shown signs of it. A sane parent never would have done what he did in this video, especially not with something as benign as his daughter's "rant" as the reason. It's not armchair psychology to say what I said about how you can't trust the word of the criminal when it comes to the crime. And that's what child abuse is: a crime.

So you're not advocating presuming the man to be guilty, but we can't trust him because he's a child-abusing criminal.

Right.

Also, it's good to know that you're the sole determiner of what a "sane parent" would and would not do in any given situation, no matter how little insight into said situation you have.

As far as I'm concerned, your statements so far in this thread have demonstrated a shocking degree of disconnection with the realities of parenting, and willful ignorance combined with numerous logical fallacies when confronted with the arguments of more grounded posters. However, that's just my opinion, and you will certainly discard that without a moment of introspection, I'm sure.

So if you absorb just one thing, please consider this: erreoneous allegations of child abuse can be seriously damaging to people's lives (parents and children alike). When you're next in the real world, consider that a superficial glance at one facet of one brief scenario does not constitute sufficient evidence to produce a thorough psycho-analysis and make leading accusations of abusiveness.

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And as a small bynote for some of the other posters here, guns and ammunition are not made from minced kittens and the tears of tortured babies. Using a gun to destroy one's own property in a non-erratic manner is not something to get disturbed about.

 

[Cyfu]

and this was not the first time she did this. and when she was busted last time the dad said that if she ever did something like this again it would be much worse than being grounded.
she made her choice and she paid the price.

Not the first time she did something so horrible as to rant at some friends about her parents? Good Lord, what is the world coming to when kids rant to their friends? Doesn't make much sense to just say "She made her choice and she paid the price". Does it make much sense to punish her for something so trivial anyway? I'd say that it doesn't. People vent to their friends about things that are bothering them, that isn't something worthy of punishment.

this, in my opinion, is brilliant. if she doesn't get the picture now she has to be REALLY stupid.

That if she shows any dissent her dad will break stuff? Because that's what this says. It doesn't say "Oh you were wrong, you should be more grateful", it says "Oh if you don't act grateful I'll break your shit"

Trivial to say horrible things about their parent? i don't know what home you come from, but if i did what she did i would have grounded for months. you're supposed to respect your parents. what she did is disrespectful and shows that she is a spoiled brat who thinks doing some chores is slavery.

and it's not like "if you don't act grateful i'll brake your stuff". cause the first time she did this she was grounded for a couple of months. that obviously didn't work so the father tried something different, and hopefully this will work. we don't need more spoiled brats in the world.

 

[TacticalAssassin1]

I have absolutely no problem with the fact that he used a gun. No problem at all, he did it safely and wasn't drunk or anything like that.
I do however have a problem with the pointless destruction of a laptop. Why not just give it away? Sell it? Anything but destroy it. I could use a laptop right now...

 

[Dramerc]

Last Statement by me cause i'm fucking sick of the liberal toss pots saying normal teenager

I'M 17 and i fucking hate my generation you that defend them for thier outbursts re-enforces the reason i fucking hate my generation beat them tell them off warn them but dont let them get away with it too soft too fucking cowardly only the extreme right and extreme left would know what to do you all make me sick to the stomach for my nation to even defeat the nazis or stand up to the CCCP thats the USSR to all you brain dead scum fucks so thank you for making the world a shiter place

News Flash: EVERY GENERATION OF YOUNG PEOPLE ARE DISRESPECTFUL TO THEIR PARENTS. This has nothing to do with the post millennial generation being different somehow. Evolutionarily biologists even have an explanation as to why this is.

And thanks for proving that the American Education system is shit.

your last sentance is invalid I'm British XD

 

[Dramerc]

Last Statement by me cause i'm fucking sick of the liberal toss pots saying normal teenager

I'M 17 and i fucking hate my generation you that defend them for thier outbursts re-enforces the reason i fucking hate my generation beat them tell them off warn them but dont let them get away with it too soft too fucking cowardly only the extreme right and extreme left would know what to do you all make me sick to the stomach for my nation to even defeat the nazis or stand up to the CCCP thats the USSR to all you brain dead scum fucks so thank you for making the world a shiter place

If you're actually seventeen I would suggest working on your communication skills.

One product that I'd give a hearty recommendation is:

[http://postimage.org/image/beiozp5ut/]

I'd suggest getting your head out of the gutter and thats an insult cause i'm disabled and they are damaged you twat I'm standing up for morals and all you can do is attack my social skills

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Edit: Also, I'm not advocating guilty until proven innocent.

The point is whether or not the man is an abuser -- and he's certainly shown signs of it. A sane parent never would have done what he did in this video, especially not with something as benign as his daughter's "rant" as the reason. It's not armchair psychology to say what I said about how you can't trust the word of the criminal when it comes to the crime. And that's what child abuse is: a crime.

So you're not advocating presuming the man to be guilty, but we can't trust him because he's a child-abusing criminal.

Right.

Also, it's good to know that you're the sole determiner of what a "sane parent" would and would not do in any given situation, no matter how little insight into said situation you have.

As far as I'm concerned, your statements so far in this thread have demonstrated a shocking degree of disconnection with the realities of parenting, and willful ignorance combined with numerous logical fallacies when confronted with the arguments of more grounded posters. However, that's just my opinion, and you will certainly discard that without a moment of introspection, I'm sure.

So if you absorb just one thing, please consider this: erreoneous allegations of child abuse can be seriously damaging to people's lives (parents and children alike). When you're next in the real world, consider that a superficial glance at one facet of one brief scenario does not constitute sufficient evidence to produce a thorough psycho-analysis and make leading accusations of abusiveness.

---

And as a small bynote for some of the other posters here, guns and ammunition are not made from minced kittens and the tears of tortured babies. Using a gun to destroy one's own property in a non-erratic manner is not something to get disturbed about.

You haven't heard one word I've said, so I'm going to say it again: even in a court of law, "No, I didn't do it" is not enough evidence to cast reasonable doubt on a piece of evidence that shows you committing a crime. Now, if that was an isolated incident, you might make a case that it wasn't child abuse. But we can't just take his word that it was, let alone that his daughter was happy with it. I guess in your world, accused murderers, rapists, and thieves can get away with pulling a knife on the victim, grabbing the victim and dragging him/her off to a car, or using the item known to be stolen, on camera, just by saying "no, I didn't do it." Because that's all that has happened here: we've got the buildup to, if not the actual commission of a crime on camera, and you're going "well, he says everything's alright, we can trust him!" That's not how innocent until proven guilty works.

 

[Randomperson9999999]

I agree with everything except the gun part

 

[ablac]

The fact that he decided to use a gun to solve his anger and discipline her is whats worrying. I mean theres strict and then theres anger management issues. I mean he could easily have sold it or confiscated it if he wanted to but he decided to shoot it up. Hardly a sign of a stable temper.Oh and guns are freaking dangerous weapons. They should not be used for anything other than self defence and hunting by civilians.

 

[Odbarc]

This man is robbing his daughter of her need to express her frustration in a safe judgement free zone.

Does he actually expect her to be the sweet little girl behind their backs when they make her feel mistreated? At the very least, she seems to be respect to their faces or this discovered/invasion of privacy wouldn't have hit this man so hard.

I think it's insanely retarded of this man to expect his daughter to than also pay for the laptop and it's parts and labor he invested into it the day before, as he claims, because he decided to destroy it in his own act of mimed outrageous behavior.

He could easily have just SOLD the damn thing for $130 or MORE.

Doesn't he say he works for IT? Yeah, probably the customer service idiot who doesn't know what the hell is going on. He probably called in to one of his Indian co-workers to figure out how to 'hack' into his daughters facebook. (For me, it doesn't log OUT of facebook, even if I close the window so you just need to type in the http or click the bookmark to get into my account.)

If she's anything like the typical teenager she's portrayed as, she's going to do one of three things;
1) Have sex and maybe get pregnant.
2) Rebel harder, further, more outrageous in sheer defiance to the excessive treatment she feels unjustly imposed upon herself.
3) Being nice becomes a feigned effort around her parents as she develops emotional detachments to her parents and other 'loved ones' who'll punish her natural behavior if she should so act like herself and become sneaky and manipulative.

In instances where 2 or 3 fail, the process repeats indefinitely or switches.
In instances 1 fails, it results in abortion/miscarriage and the options or 1, 2 or 3 emerge again.

 

[TheTurtleMan]

I like this guy! Instead of talking it out with his daughter about WHY she posted something like that on facebook and discussing the feelings that she felt, he just grounded her for possibly years and destroyed her property with a firearm. What a swell guy!

Honestly, why are people rallying around this guy like he's the parent version of batman dishing out street justice? Maybe she shouldn't have posted something like that on facebook, but there are so many other worse ways that she could have vented her emotions. And that's all she was doing, venting, it's not like she had done anything wrong before posting the status. Imagine living with a guy like that, it's got to be terrifying.