You could be the best parent in the world and there's still a small chance your child will, oh I don't know, have the mental capacity to choose how they want to behave.Naeras said:
I've known total brats with great parents.
Dad uses Facebook to teach daughter a lesson.
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I've known total brats with great parents.
The girl was the one that made the choice to start airing out family business in a public forum Her father just gave her a taste of her own medicine. I bet she will think twice now before she chooses to air out family business in such a manner. I would wager she is likely totally and wholly humiliated by this ordeal and rightfully so. She is very likely the laughing stock of her school and is more miserable than she would have ever been with a simple grounding or by having her belongings taken away.mellemhund said:
You know why people use public humiliation? Because it's a damn effective form of punishment. If you beat someone the pain subsides. If you lock someone up in their room eventually they adapt and make due. However if you publicly humiliate someone that gets their attention and gives them a Hell of an incentive to keep from fucking up in the future. Psychologically punishing someone works in ways that cuts them to the quick and goes far beyond what your typical punishments will ever accomplish
Look at the picture below. You think that person would have rather paid a fine and put in some time on probation or held that sign out in front of a busy store for hours at a time with peers and coworkers and god knows who else walking by?People are prideful creatures and it's an amazingly effective means of negative reinforcement to attack their pride.
So, he buys 140ish dollars worth of stuff for her, fixes up her laptop for half a day, and the very next day she posts on facebook how horrible he is to her. He is not overreacting. There are REAL kids, with REAL abusive families. She is not one of them, and her whining only belittles the suffering of people who DO have abusive families.volX said:
He removed the source of the problem, in a calm explanatory way. Yet because he happened to use a gun, he's now a raving lunatic. Suure. lets completely disregard the fact that he did this in an open area, put the laptop on the ground so nobody would get hit by accident, and even explained in the video that the bullets he used are the type that do not ricochet so nobody would get hurt by a ricocheting bullet.
You need to stop treating a gun with the same ignorant fear as was used to start the Salem Witch Trials.
There's a difference between choosing how they want to behave and quite simply not giving a fuck, and the case in question is obviously the latter. In the former case it is completely possible to talk sense into the kids, because they have the mental capacity to be reasoned with. If kids act like complete fucknuggets either way, it's generally a case of a) bad influence from friends, b) a hormone overload or c) that the parent in question just isn't very good at being reasonable even when being strict.MysticToast said:
Please don't tell me that this guy strikes you as reasonable.
Wait, you guys are pissed about the use of a firearm against the laptop? Geez, I was worried that he blasted it in his child's room, trying to scare her! This is a man who got the legal right to use that gun, used it in an outdoor environment and didn't endanger anyone.
Come on, let's not all get our panties up in a twist here. If the use of the gun is all that pissed you off, let's take a step backwards and examine what it is we're complaining about here. I'm just glad the guy didn't use it to threaten a person's life or to scare his daughter with.
Let's take it easy guys. Unloading a clip? Maybe overkill. Nothing to get pissed about.
Come on, let's not all get our panties up in a twist here. If the use of the gun is all that pissed you off, let's take a step backwards and examine what it is we're complaining about here. I'm just glad the guy didn't use it to threaten a person's life or to scare his daughter with.
Let's take it easy guys. Unloading a clip? Maybe overkill. Nothing to get pissed about.
So, who here has read the official response from the father in all this?
Should probably put this in the OP.
Attention Media Outlets:
While we appreciate the interest you're all putting forth to get in touch with us regarding the video, we're not going to go on your talk show, not going to call in to your radio show, and not going to be in your TV mini-series.
Some of you think I made an acceptable parenting decision and others think I didn't. However, I can't think of any way myself or my daughter can ...respond to a media outlet that won't be twisted out of context. The Dallas news TV news already showed that in their brief 5 minute interview with the psychologist.
Additionally, there's absolutely NO way I'm going to send my child the message that it's OK to gain from something like this. It would send her a message that it's OK to profit at the expense of someone else's embarrassment or misfortune and that's now how I was raised, nor how she has been raised.
So I say thank you from all of us. If we have anything to say, we'll say it here on Facebook, and we'll say it publicly, but we won't say it to a microphone or a camera. There are too many other REAL issues out there that could use this attention you're giving us. My daughter isn't hurt, emotionally scarred, or otherwise damaged, but that kind of publicity has never seemed to be to have a positive effect on any child or family.
If you're a news outlet that wants to ask us a question, feel free to so via email. I'm sure by now my email address is easy enough to find. It might take me awhile to get to a response because I'd have to sort through the "Die you bastard" emails to find it, but we will respond if its something that we feel merits it. Otherwise, sorry... no interviews, no talk shows, no call-ins.
If we respond to anything, it will be on here, and it will be in a way that our words can't be misconstrued or edited for appeal to specific audience or shock value.
Now, I'm going to try to get to work for the day.
Best of luck to all of you out there... and PLEASE give my phone a break.
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HOW HANNAH GOT CAUGHT
HOW SHE GOT CAUGHT: The Dog Did It.. no, really.
I finally came out and told her this today, partly because it was too funny NOT to share.
When my daughter made her post, she used Facebook's privacy settings to block "Family" and "Church" friend's lists. All her other friends could see it. We, of course could not.
One of our dogs is always getting in photos and therefore has her own Facebook pa...ge. It's just a cute dumb thing we did for fun. Well, the dog's profile is rarely used except when funny pictures of her are posted. Since that's not too often, and she has very few friends on Facebook, her wall is kind of bare, with relatively few posts showing up on it.
The other night we gave the dog a bath and there was a funny photo we uploaded to Facebook and tagged her in. I logged in as the dog the next morning to comment on the photo. However when I logged into the dog's profile, my daughter had forgotten to add her to the "family" list.... so our family dog's profile showed her post right there on the front page.
It wasn't any parent-hacking, computer spying, or monitoring of any kind.. the dog actually ratted her out completely by accident. She hasn't petted that dog all day today...
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HANNAH'S REACTION
For those that wondered, commented, criticized, and just in general wanted to know:
My daughter came through it fine.
Yes, she's in trouble, and yes she's grounded, but that doesn't mean every moment of her life has to be miserable. She's going to come to terms with the changes that will be present for a while; no TV privileges, no Internet, etc.
In the meantime, once the initial anger passed,... she sat with me reviewing some of the comments that have come in via Facebook and YouTube. One person even suggested collecting the shell casings and auctioning them on eBay. I said I'd do it if it would help contribute to her college fund! When I told her about it, she thought a minute, got a funny calculating expression on her face and said, "in that case you should shoot my phone too. We can use more bullets and I'll go half-sies with ya on it! It's not like I'm going to need it any time soon. And I can use the money we get to buy a new one."
While the whole point of this story isn't funny, what is funny to me is how weak some people out there think kids are. Our kids are as strong as we help them to be. My daughter took a horrible day in her life, had her crying fit, then got over it, accepted her punishment, and hasn't let it (or people's comments) destroy her strength. I don't get any credit for that. She's strong and able to overcome almost anything life throws at her.
Since this unsuspectingly threw her into the limelight much more strongly than either of us intended, I asked her if she wanted to make her own response video, and told her I'd let her do it if she wanted to. She doesn't like being in front of the camera, so she declined, but I've told her if she wants to write a response or post a video response, I'd be OK with it. It's only fair considering the viral nature of the whole thing. So far she's not really interested. Quite frankly it seems she's gotten bored of it much faster than the general public has. If that changes I'll post it here.
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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS:
Media Response to Anita Li, from the Toronto Star
Since you took the time to email us with your requests like we asked, I'll take the time to give you an honest follow-up response. You'll have to forgive me for doing so publicly though; again I want to be sure my words are portrayed the way I actually say them, not cut together to make entirely different points.
Your questions were:
Q: Why did y...ou decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?
A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube because it's a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away with something like that. So, to answer "Why did you reprimand her over a public medium like Facebook" my answer is this: Because that's how I was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public (such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people... originally. I had no idea it would become what it did.
Q: How effective do you think your punishment was (i.e. shooting her laptop and reading her letter online)?
A: I think it was very effective on one front. She apparently didn't remember being talked to about previous incidents, nor did she seem to remember the effects of having it taken away, nor did the eventual long-term grounding seem to get through to her. I think she thought "Well, I'll just wait it out and I'll get it back eventually." Her behavior corrected for a short time, and then it went back to what it was before and worse. This time, she won't ever forget and it'll be a long time before she has an opportunity to post on Facebook again. I feel pretty certain that every day from then to now, whenever one of her friends mentions Facebook, she'll remember it and wish she hadn't done what she did.
The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a dollar. We don't give her everything she asks for, but you can all imagine what it's like being the only grandchild and the first child. Presents and money come from all sides when you're young. Most of the things she has that are "cool" were bought or gifted that way. She's always asked for very few things, but they're always high-dollar things (iPod, laptop, smartphone, etc). Eventually she gets given enough money to get them. That's not learning the value of a dollar. Its knowing how to save money, which I greatly applaud in her, but it's not enough. She wants a digital SLR camera. She wants a 22 rifle like mine. She wants a car. She wants a smart phone with a data package and unlimited texting. (I have to hear about that one every week!)
She thinks all these things are supposed to be given to her because she's got parents. It's not going to happen, at least not in our house. She can get a job and work for money just like everyone else. Then she can spend it on anything she wants (within reason). If she wants to work for two months to save enough to purchase a $1000 SLR camera with an $800 lens, then I can guarantee she'll NEVER leave it outside at night. She'll be careful when she puts it away and carries it around. She'll value it much more because she worked so hard to get it. Instead, with the current way things have been given to her, she's on about her fourth phone and just expects another one when she breaks the one she has. She's not sorry about breaking it, or losing it, she's sorry only because she can't text her friends. I firmly believe she'll be a LOT more careful when she has to buy her own $299.00 Motorola Razr smartphone.
Until then, she can do chores, and lots and lots of them, so the people who ARE feeding her, clothing her, paying for all her school trips, paying for her musical instruments, can have some time to relax after they finish working to support her and the rest of the family. She can either work to make money on her own, or she will do chores to contribute around the house. She's known all along that all she has to do is get a job and a lot of these chores will go away. But if you're too lazy to work even to get things you want for yourself, I'm certainly not going to let you sit idly on your rear-end with your face glued to both the TV and Facebook for 5 to 6 hours per night. Those days are over.
Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?
A: She responded to the video with "I can't believe you shot my computer!" That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.
Later after she'd had time to process it and I'd had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce... you know that uncomfortable moment when you're in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you're both waiting to see which one's going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.
People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she's too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was "Dude... it's only a computer. I mean, yeah I'm mad but pfft." She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn't too keen on the stripping thing.
We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far:
First: As her father, I'll definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that.
Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. She's seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can't take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings.
While we appreciate the interest you're all putting forth to get in touch with us regarding the video, we're not going to go on your talk show, not going to call in to your radio show, and not going to be in your TV mini-series.
Some of you think I made an acceptable parenting decision and others think I didn't. However, I can't think of any way myself or my daughter can ...respond to a media outlet that won't be twisted out of context. The Dallas news TV news already showed that in their brief 5 minute interview with the psychologist.
Additionally, there's absolutely NO way I'm going to send my child the message that it's OK to gain from something like this. It would send her a message that it's OK to profit at the expense of someone else's embarrassment or misfortune and that's now how I was raised, nor how she has been raised.
So I say thank you from all of us. If we have anything to say, we'll say it here on Facebook, and we'll say it publicly, but we won't say it to a microphone or a camera. There are too many other REAL issues out there that could use this attention you're giving us. My daughter isn't hurt, emotionally scarred, or otherwise damaged, but that kind of publicity has never seemed to be to have a positive effect on any child or family.
If you're a news outlet that wants to ask us a question, feel free to so via email. I'm sure by now my email address is easy enough to find. It might take me awhile to get to a response because I'd have to sort through the "Die you bastard" emails to find it, but we will respond if its something that we feel merits it. Otherwise, sorry... no interviews, no talk shows, no call-ins.
If we respond to anything, it will be on here, and it will be in a way that our words can't be misconstrued or edited for appeal to specific audience or shock value.
Now, I'm going to try to get to work for the day.
Best of luck to all of you out there... and PLEASE give my phone a break.
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HOW HANNAH GOT CAUGHT
HOW SHE GOT CAUGHT: The Dog Did It.. no, really.
I finally came out and told her this today, partly because it was too funny NOT to share.
When my daughter made her post, she used Facebook's privacy settings to block "Family" and "Church" friend's lists. All her other friends could see it. We, of course could not.
One of our dogs is always getting in photos and therefore has her own Facebook pa...ge. It's just a cute dumb thing we did for fun. Well, the dog's profile is rarely used except when funny pictures of her are posted. Since that's not too often, and she has very few friends on Facebook, her wall is kind of bare, with relatively few posts showing up on it.
The other night we gave the dog a bath and there was a funny photo we uploaded to Facebook and tagged her in. I logged in as the dog the next morning to comment on the photo. However when I logged into the dog's profile, my daughter had forgotten to add her to the "family" list.... so our family dog's profile showed her post right there on the front page.
It wasn't any parent-hacking, computer spying, or monitoring of any kind.. the dog actually ratted her out completely by accident. She hasn't petted that dog all day today...
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HANNAH'S REACTION
For those that wondered, commented, criticized, and just in general wanted to know:
My daughter came through it fine.
Yes, she's in trouble, and yes she's grounded, but that doesn't mean every moment of her life has to be miserable. She's going to come to terms with the changes that will be present for a while; no TV privileges, no Internet, etc.
In the meantime, once the initial anger passed,... she sat with me reviewing some of the comments that have come in via Facebook and YouTube. One person even suggested collecting the shell casings and auctioning them on eBay. I said I'd do it if it would help contribute to her college fund! When I told her about it, she thought a minute, got a funny calculating expression on her face and said, "in that case you should shoot my phone too. We can use more bullets and I'll go half-sies with ya on it! It's not like I'm going to need it any time soon. And I can use the money we get to buy a new one."
While the whole point of this story isn't funny, what is funny to me is how weak some people out there think kids are. Our kids are as strong as we help them to be. My daughter took a horrible day in her life, had her crying fit, then got over it, accepted her punishment, and hasn't let it (or people's comments) destroy her strength. I don't get any credit for that. She's strong and able to overcome almost anything life throws at her.
Since this unsuspectingly threw her into the limelight much more strongly than either of us intended, I asked her if she wanted to make her own response video, and told her I'd let her do it if she wanted to. She doesn't like being in front of the camera, so she declined, but I've told her if she wants to write a response or post a video response, I'd be OK with it. It's only fair considering the viral nature of the whole thing. So far she's not really interested. Quite frankly it seems she's gotten bored of it much faster than the general public has. If that changes I'll post it here.
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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS:
Media Response to Anita Li, from the Toronto Star
Since you took the time to email us with your requests like we asked, I'll take the time to give you an honest follow-up response. You'll have to forgive me for doing so publicly though; again I want to be sure my words are portrayed the way I actually say them, not cut together to make entirely different points.
Your questions were:
Q: Why did y...ou decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?
A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube because it's a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away with something like that. So, to answer "Why did you reprimand her over a public medium like Facebook" my answer is this: Because that's how I was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public (such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people... originally. I had no idea it would become what it did.
Q: How effective do you think your punishment was (i.e. shooting her laptop and reading her letter online)?
A: I think it was very effective on one front. She apparently didn't remember being talked to about previous incidents, nor did she seem to remember the effects of having it taken away, nor did the eventual long-term grounding seem to get through to her. I think she thought "Well, I'll just wait it out and I'll get it back eventually." Her behavior corrected for a short time, and then it went back to what it was before and worse. This time, she won't ever forget and it'll be a long time before she has an opportunity to post on Facebook again. I feel pretty certain that every day from then to now, whenever one of her friends mentions Facebook, she'll remember it and wish she hadn't done what she did.
The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a dollar. We don't give her everything she asks for, but you can all imagine what it's like being the only grandchild and the first child. Presents and money come from all sides when you're young. Most of the things she has that are "cool" were bought or gifted that way. She's always asked for very few things, but they're always high-dollar things (iPod, laptop, smartphone, etc). Eventually she gets given enough money to get them. That's not learning the value of a dollar. Its knowing how to save money, which I greatly applaud in her, but it's not enough. She wants a digital SLR camera. She wants a 22 rifle like mine. She wants a car. She wants a smart phone with a data package and unlimited texting. (I have to hear about that one every week!)
She thinks all these things are supposed to be given to her because she's got parents. It's not going to happen, at least not in our house. She can get a job and work for money just like everyone else. Then she can spend it on anything she wants (within reason). If she wants to work for two months to save enough to purchase a $1000 SLR camera with an $800 lens, then I can guarantee she'll NEVER leave it outside at night. She'll be careful when she puts it away and carries it around. She'll value it much more because she worked so hard to get it. Instead, with the current way things have been given to her, she's on about her fourth phone and just expects another one when she breaks the one she has. She's not sorry about breaking it, or losing it, she's sorry only because she can't text her friends. I firmly believe she'll be a LOT more careful when she has to buy her own $299.00 Motorola Razr smartphone.
Until then, she can do chores, and lots and lots of them, so the people who ARE feeding her, clothing her, paying for all her school trips, paying for her musical instruments, can have some time to relax after they finish working to support her and the rest of the family. She can either work to make money on her own, or she will do chores to contribute around the house. She's known all along that all she has to do is get a job and a lot of these chores will go away. But if you're too lazy to work even to get things you want for yourself, I'm certainly not going to let you sit idly on your rear-end with your face glued to both the TV and Facebook for 5 to 6 hours per night. Those days are over.
Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?
A: She responded to the video with "I can't believe you shot my computer!" That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.
Later after she'd had time to process it and I'd had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce... you know that uncomfortable moment when you're in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you're both waiting to see which one's going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.
People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she's too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was "Dude... it's only a computer. I mean, yeah I'm mad but pfft." She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn't too keen on the stripping thing.
We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far:
First: As her father, I'll definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that.
Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. She's seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can't take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings.
Should probably put this in the OP.
Yeah, he does. In the video he states he's talked to her about her attitude before and she's been punished before as well. Grounding obviously doesn't seem to have a huge effect on her, so he steps it up to show her he means what he says.Naeras said:
I also read elsewhere on this site there was a follow up statement released by the dad. He seemed perfectly reasonable there too.
EDIT: The guy right above me found the statement. There ya go. Take if for what you will.
A knife is also a lethal weapon. So is a car. So is a cooking pan. Or a spoon. Or your fists (if you hit hard enough).Ramzal said:
You can't criticize the man for using a gun on a laptop any more than i can criticize you for cutting vegetables with a sharp knife. Almost anything can be used as a (lethal) weapon. It's what we use it for that matters.
I think we're coming at this from a cultural divide, I just don't think it's acceptable to use a gun in this manner, it's just irresponsible to use a gun in such a trivial situation. You obviously think differently.galdon2004 said:
Yeah you can, a gun has one purpose and that is kill something very quickly from a distance. It's a tool of murder and that's it. A knife has other uses as does everything else you listed.Athinira said:
So skeet shooting and target practice, both major sports, are completely morally bankrupt and horrific misuse of equipment. I suppose the same goes for throwing knives, darts, and archery, as those are all weapons as well being thrown/shot AT INANIMATE OBJECTS.KnowYourOnion said:
I'm sorry, but I see no sense to what you are saying at all. There was no danger at all in what he did. He responsibly discharged a gun in a safe manner.
Well, no. It's not that quite cut and dry, at least from my (very culturally swayed) perspective.Athinira said:
A sharp knife, a car, a cooking pot, and a spoon are all functional items used for something in every home. A gun is a tool that has one use, and a handgun in particular (as far as I know) is used only for the ending of human life.
Seeing someone use such a tool as a toy is kind of unsettling for someone such as myself. It just gives the impression, correct or not, that the person with the gun does not understand the seriousness of owning a gun. The thing is, it would be less expensive, less dangerous, and less 'scary' to simply smash the computer in with a hammer as you suggested, but the person in the video chose to use a killing weapon because it looked cool.
Again, for someone outside of the culture surrounding guns in America, it just doesn't sit right with me. Guns should be scary things, not toys.
EDIT -
See above for possible explanation.Kvaedi said:
I officially hate this guy. I think he deserved those .45 explosive tip bullets or whatever more than the poor laptop did. He's a brutal son of a ***** and a bad parent and if I were in the position of his daughter I would very well be bawling my eyes out. And people say us canadians are rednecks. Congratulations, you stupid, gun-toting bastard, on being one of the biggest assholes I've ever heard of. You think you've done something good? accomplished something? You destroyed a perfectly good laptop with a damn colt 1911, and not only did you overreact, but you've proven to be a dumb moron. I don't know why the hell you felt the need to SHOOT AN INANIMATE OBJECT (if you were that pissed at your daughter, why not just shoot her? just saying, not trying to give you ideas >:c), but you have no right, and never will. you scumbag.
Parents these days are too chicken-shit to make their kids pay for their failures. This man is the best father I can think of. His worthless-ass offspring won't ever forget this, and she'll be a better person for her suffering.
Hannah's dad, whatever your name is and wherever you are, I want to buy you a beer and shake your hand. Fuck the haters. You're a bad ************ and a kickass dad.
Hannah's dad, whatever your name is and wherever you are, I want to buy you a beer and shake your hand. Fuck the haters. You're a bad ************ and a kickass dad.
- Target practice for fun (at a gun club, or outside if it's legal in your respective area. Someone who also replied to the former guy i quoted asked why shooting a laptop is any different to people shooting soda cans etc. for fun)KnowYourOnion said:
- Show-off for friends (similarly to how many people like to have rifles hanging on their wall for decoration)
- Intimidation (scaring robbers away from your home, police ordering someone to get down on the ground etc. None of this requires firering the weapon or hurting someone)
- Simple scientific curiosity for many various reasons (ballistics is a rather interesting scientific field)
- Non-Lethal shooting (like shooting the tires of a truck on an out-of-control driver, which is a common police tactic in these scenarios)
Creativity seems to be a lost art these days. Think outside the box.
No of course they bloody aren't! They are done in a controlled environment, where ridiculous amounts of safety is enforced, this guy was in a clearly public place with cars within fifty feet of him. That isn't responsible gun use. There are an infinite number of things that could have gone wrong in this scenario, yet nothing did so YAY IT'S ALL FINE, LET'S CHEER THIS MAN ON FOR HIS RATIONAL THOUGHT!Kvaedi said:
Ok.. so your reasoning is, since a gun is a weapon for it's base usage, any use of the item that does not kill something is a dangerous misuse of the tool?KnowYourOnion said:
In a way, I'm actually not really offended by this or think of this is bad. Now, I think shooting the laptop was a little unnecessary (and didn't contain enough awesome to be completely worth the X amount of dollars that was spent on it), but I do think the man's stance is a solid one; parents (usually) do a lot more for their kids than the kids realize and they (usually) aren't nearly as bad as their kids make them out to be. Early in high-school I realized that my parents do a lot more than I give them credit for and I became much more forgiving and kind to them.