Dad uses Facebook to teach daughter a lesson.

[thethird0611]

I'm going to go ahead an copy something that somebody on Tumblr said that I agree with 100 percent.
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Seriously, why is it the daughter's fault? And why is the response that people applaud not 'Talk to your daughter' and instead 'Make a mockery out of how she feels on Youtube?'

Finally someone who gets it! There is not a gene that makes people spoiled or immature, it is not something that just happens. No, IT IS LEARNED! And it is a sign of bad parenting.

So when this guy was confronted with the fact that he and his wife are SHIT at parenting he could not cope with loosing the delusion of being a good parent and punished HER for HIS failure. And only retards and other failures applaud that.

People should understand by now that a loud minority (I dont want to believe its the majority) on escapist applauds bad parrenting and hates kids. This is why such things here are so supported, they hate kids. Therefor they dont need to hear about kids being treated like normal human-beings. Actually, the more mistreatment it seems the more they like the story. Im pretty sure back when the video of the father that 'hit' his daughter came up like half those people were supporting it because (OH, IT WAS ONLY WITH THE BACK OF HIS HAND)

You know how I was punished?. . . well, alright. I wasnt since I didnt misbehave ever.

But you know how my SISTER! Was puinished? They cut off the internet for a while and took her phone and didnt let her see her friends. No contact to friends for a couple of days is a really good, unharmful. Punishment.

I have to chime in on this, because I need to apologize for the way I minimized that other video. My parents have a lot in common with both the guy in that video, and especially with the guy in this one. It took going off to college for a year and a half and coming back for my final internship to realize just how abnormal this kind of parenting is.

OT: This is abuse, plain and simple. We're only getting one side of the story, the abuser's, and frankly, I'm more inclined to believe the daughter than I am him. So what if he shows a nice face to the world? Successful abusers /do./ It's how they treat their family that counts, and we've just been shown a disturbing, accidentally honest slice of how this man treats his family.

Edit: Oh, and who want's to bet on what that "$130 worth of software" was? Because my guess is that the "upgrade" was nothing but a copy of Microsoft Office, which she probably legitimately needed for class. "Luxury item" my ass.

Ive been trying to keep from chiming in on this, but have you even read his follow ups? The reaction of his daughter, etc.? Go on his facebook and look (you can get there from the video).

Heres a few bullet points.

1. Daughter felt bad at first, come to realize she was in the wrong, getting along with life happily.
2. Police and CPS visited him because of the TREMENDOUS amount of calls from internet goers. Results? The officers said 'kudos from the department', and the CPS gal dismissed it after a thorough investigation.

So... No. No abuse, the family is just fine, and everything is getting along well with them.

You do know that regardless of what his daughter thinks, her only means of communication is him and she's gonna feel like she has to appease him to avoid more punishment, yeah? If she dissented then we really wouldn't know.

So him giving her an offer to make her own video in response, or post something on facebook about it, makes it so she appeases her? He again even told in one of his post that she sat with him and looked at some of the comments on the matter, and she couldnt believe what people were saying. Plain and simple she said she was fine.

Soo... That, and that her friends could always report how she really feels somehow?

Just because there is a conspiracy theory doesnt mean that its true.

He will be able to monitor anything she says. Suppose she dissents. How do you think he will react? With flowers? Or maybe punishing her? Or at best maybe it will simply earn her no good will when what she's going to want most at this point is for this whole thing to go away and for her to get a new laptop or whatever. The last way to achieve that is via dissent.

It's not a conspiracy theory to point out that she's not going to want to piss him off. Where the fuck is the conspiracy element in that? I'm saying that she won't feel like she can speak freely. Which is pretty bloody obvious to anyone who stopped to think about it for a second.

If she reacts maturely, its pretty obvious in his speech that he would be ok with it. If she starts acting childish, well theres not much more he can punish her with.

*facepalm* Or maybe if you actually thought for a microsecond you would realize that if we can see her being childish so can her dad. And yes, there is more he can punish her with. Like continuing to keep her grounded. Or who knows what else, more chores.

You know whats funny? She actually DOES want this whole thing to blow over. Thats why shes staying out of it and speaking some through her father. Go read the post that he put on facebook before you reply with this again. Just so we are on level ground.

You keep trying to point at what she says for proof that she is being honest about it. Anyone with half a brain ought to realize that pointing me at something I just pointed out was trustworthy is the height of stupidity.

And you know, if something was wrong, CPS would of picked it up, or she could speak through one of her friends, or she could do a MILLION things. This is viral now, and trying to keep information from the public is near impossible. Hell, he cant even leave his phone on and his email is full.

*facepalm* Hey dude. Can you read? Right now do it. Go and try and read my posts and see where I said anything about abuse. Oh hey I didn't. Are you trying to bring down my IQ with your posts because it sure feels like it.

Oh, and to say is pretty obvious is only trying to bring your point up while trying to bring my point down. I could say, 'its bloody obvious shes fine if anyone would stop and think about it', but that would discredit intelligent thinking. Yes, there always is a chance, but there is more evidence toward the side of 'shes fine' then to 'shes being mistreated'

Your entire post has already been a disservice to intelligent thinking. I didn't say anything about mistreatment I've just been saying that if she doesn't like what he did she has no way to say it freely without him seeing and perhaps applying consequences.

And because your entire reply there was trying to be insulting and down trodden to someones words, I bow out of this discussion. (Well, that's the low IQ level, stupid thinking, half a brain would say right?)

 

[JaceArveduin]

Spoiler: Man's response to the Media

Attention Media Outlets:
While we appreciate the interest you're all putting forth to get in touch with us regarding the video, we're not going to go on your talk show, not going to call in to your radio show, and not going to be in your TV mini-series.

Some of you think I made an acceptable parenting decision and others think I didn't. However, I can't think of any way myself or my daughter can ...respond to a media outlet that won't be twisted out of context. The Dallas news TV news already showed that in their brief 5 minute interview with the psychologist.

Additionally, there's absolutely NO way I'm going to send my child the message that it's OK to gain from something like this. It would send her a message that it's OK to profit at the expense of someone else's embarrassment or misfortune and that's now how I was raised, nor how she has been raised.

So I say thank you from all of us. If we have anything to say, we'll say it here on Facebook, and we'll say it publicly, but we won't say it to a microphone or a camera. There are too many other REAL issues out there that could use this attention you're giving us. My daughter isn't hurt, emotionally scarred, or otherwise damaged, but that kind of publicity has never seemed to be to have a positive effect on any child or family.

If you're a news outlet that wants to ask us a question, feel free to so via email. I'm sure by now my email address is easy enough to find. It might take me awhile to get to a response because I'd have to sort through the "Die you bastard" emails to find it, but we will respond if its something that we feel merits it. Otherwise, sorry... no interviews, no talk shows, no call-ins.

If we respond to anything, it will be on here, and it will be in a way that our words can't be misconstrued or edited for appeal to specific audience or shock value.

Now, I'm going to try to get to work for the day.
Best of luck to all of you out there... and PLEASE give my phone a break.

Spoiler: how she got caught

HOW HANNAH GOT CAUGHT
HOW SHE GOT CAUGHT: The Dog Did It.. no, really.

I finally came out and told her this today, partly because it was too funny NOT to share.

When my daughter made her post, she used Facebook's privacy settings to block "Family" and "Church" friend's lists. All her other friends could see it. We, of course could not.

One of our dogs is always getting in photos and therefore has her own Facebook pa...ge. It's just a cute dumb thing we did for fun. Well, the dog's profile is rarely used except when funny pictures of her are posted. Since that's not too often, and she has very few friends on Facebook, her wall is kind of bare, with relatively few posts showing up on it.

The other night we gave the dog a bath and there was a funny photo we uploaded to Facebook and tagged her in. I logged in as the dog the next morning to comment on the photo. However when I logged into the dog's profile, my daughter had forgotten to add her to the "family" list.... so our family dog's profile showed her post right there on the front page.

It wasn't any parent-hacking, computer spying, or monitoring of any kind.. the dog actually ratted her out completely by accident. She hasn't petted that dog all day today...

Spoiler: teen's reaction

For those that wondered, commented, criticized, and just in general wanted to know:
My daughter came through it fine.

Yes, she's in trouble, and yes she's grounded, but that doesn't mean every moment of her life has to be miserable. She's going to come to terms with the changes that will be present for a while; no TV privileges, no Internet, etc.

In the meantime, once the initial anger passed,... she sat with me reviewing some of the comments that have come in via Facebook and YouTube. One person even suggested collecting the shell casings and auctioning them on eBay. I said I'd do it if it would help contribute to her college fund! When I told her about it, she thought a minute, got a funny calculating expression on her face and said, "in that case you should shoot my phone too. We can use more bullets and I'll go half-sies with ya on it! It's not like I'm going to need it any time soon. And I can use the money we get to buy a new one."

While the whole point of this story isn't funny, what is funny to me is how weak some people out there think kids are. Our kids are as strong as we help them to be. My daughter took a horrible day in her life, had her crying fit, then got over it, accepted her punishment, and hasn't let it (or people's comments) destroy her strength. I don't get any credit for that. She's strong and able to overcome almost anything life throws at her.

Since this unsuspectingly threw her into the limelight much more strongly than either of us intended, I asked her if she wanted to make her own response video, and told her I'd let her do it if she wanted to. She doesn't like being in front of the camera, so she declined, but I've told her if she wants to write a response or post a video response, I'd be OK with it. It's only fair considering the viral nature of the whole thing. So far she's not really interested. Quite frankly it seems she's gotten bored of it much faster than the general public has. If that changes I'll post it here.

Spoiler: FAQ

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS:
Media Response to Anita Li, from the Toronto Star

Since you took the time to email us with your requests like we asked, I'll take the time to give you an honest follow-up response. You'll have to forgive me for doing so publicly though; again I want to be sure my words are portrayed the way I actually say them, not cut together to make entirely different points.

Your questions were:
Q: Why did y...ou decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?

A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube because it's a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away with something like that. So, to answer "Why did you reprimand her over a public medium like Facebook" my answer is this: Because that's how I was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public (such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people... originally. I had no idea it would become what it did.

Q: How effective do you think your punishment was (i.e. shooting her laptop and reading her letter online)?

A: I think it was very effective on one front. She apparently didn't remember being talked to about previous incidents, nor did she seem to remember the effects of having it taken away, nor did the eventual long-term grounding seem to get through to her. I think she thought "Well, I'll just wait it out and I'll get it back eventually." Her behavior corrected for a short time, and then it went back to what it was before and worse. This time, she won't ever forget and it'll be a long time before she has an opportunity to post on Facebook again. I feel pretty certain that every day from then to now, whenever one of her friends mentions Facebook, she'll remember it and wish she hadn't done what she did.

The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a dollar. We don't give her everything she asks for, but you can all imagine what it's like being the only grandchild and the first child. Presents and money come from all sides when you're young. Most of the things she has that are "cool" were bought or gifted that way. She's always asked for very few things, but they're always high-dollar things (iPod, laptop, smartphone, etc). Eventually she gets given enough money to get them. That's not learning the value of a dollar. Its knowing how to save money, which I greatly applaud in her, but it's not enough. She wants a digital SLR camera. She wants a 22 rifle like mine. She wants a car. She wants a smart phone with a data package and unlimited texting. (I have to hear about that one every week!)

She thinks all these things are supposed to be given to her because she's got parents. It's not going to happen, at least not in our house. She can get a job and work for money just like everyone else. Then she can spend it on anything she wants (within reason). If she wants to work for two months to save enough to purchase a $1000 SLR camera with an $800 lens, then I can guarantee she'll NEVER leave it outside at night. She'll be careful when she puts it away and carries it around. She'll value it much more because she worked so hard to get it. Instead, with the current way things have been given to her, she's on about her fourth phone and just expects another one when she breaks the one she has. She's not sorry about breaking it, or losing it, she's sorry only because she can't text her friends. I firmly believe she'll be a LOT more careful when she has to buy her own $299.00 Motorola Razr smartphone.

Until then, she can do chores, and lots and lots of them, so the people who ARE feeding her, clothing her, paying for all her school trips, paying for her musical instruments, can have some time to relax after they finish working to support her and the rest of the family. She can either work to make money on her own, or she will do chores to contribute around the house. She's known all along that all she has to do is get a job and a lot of these chores will go away. But if you're too lazy to work even to get things you want for yourself, I'm certainly not going to let you sit idly on your rear-end with your face glued to both the TV and Facebook for 5 to 6 hours per night. Those days are over.

Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?

A: She responded to the video with "I can't believe you shot my computer!" That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.

Later after she'd had time to process it and I'd had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce... you know that uncomfortable moment when you're in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you're both waiting to see which one's going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.

People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she's too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was "Dude... it's only a computer. I mean, yeah I'm mad but pfft." She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn't too keen on the stripping thing.

We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far:

First: As her father, I'll definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that.

Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. She's seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can't take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings.
Should probably put this in the OP.

There we go, I've divided the spoilers up and put tags on them, so maybe now people will read it!

yeah... I don't believe they'll read it, TLDR and all.

I've already read all of this, and I don't see her reaction anywhere in that spoiler; just what her father says is her reaction. All I'm trying to say here is you can't take the word of an abuser that they are not abusing their child: they lie about things like that, you see.

If that's abuse, then I've been through a whole hell of a lot more than she has. But fine, you have a point, it's from his point of view, seeing as it's hard for her to respond due to, you know, being grounded. And if he was lying, he put a ton of detail into it. He also did mention that she was pissed over it for a while.

*shrug* guess I'm just a desensitized bastard.

 

[MikeStyles27]

In this topic: People let there views on gun politics sway their opinions on parenting

Full disclosure, I am a Canadian who loves him some guns, I have been a shooter for almost my entire life. I have yet to have to discharge a firearm in self defence, my only kills have been game animals, and inanimate targets. I strongly oppose gun control methods that serve only to penalize law abiding citizens for the crimes of miscreants and thugs.


I see this in this father a reasonable, everyday person who does not tolerate being played a fool. He directly states that he and his daughter had a similar altercation beforehand, in regards to her being an entitled brat on Facebook. What she said on Facebook is just as important as things said anywhere else, applying the idea that because the internet moves quickly and forgets easily is a farce, the things said will exist forever, and her petty misgivings about her hard-knock-life of mild chores and easy living are now ensconced eternally within the great halls of google; The internet never forgets, it moves on.

This father must feel betrayed, having already gone through this scenario once before, and dealing with it on a level that is both appropriate and merciful to the daughter, he once again is shown what an entitled daughter he has.

His reaction was expected, I would have acted in a similar way. It is understood that there are indeed better ways to deal with the laptop, donating to a charity would be a noble thing, allowing for the less fortunate to prosper from this would have been wonderful; the father not doing this, out of choice or not considering his options does not damn him, it makes him human.

His choice in disposing of the laptop, by firing a magazine of .45 bullets into it, is in no way unacceptable, It was his choice. The grief that has arisen from his apparent anger when destroying the laptop is folly, anyone can be angry, that is not a crime, that does not kill people, that does not become a statistic. Anger is an emotion, we all have it and anybody who would preach that his actions were detestable is guilty of their own faults, so leave the soap box at home. He was calm and rational while angry, and he discharged his firearm in a way that is perfectly safe to those around him, and not worthy of the fierce hullabaloo that it has been met with, he shot a laptop, not his daughter; only a person who is unstable (certainly to the point of not being permitted a firearm where I am from) would not be able to see that his destruction of the laptop will not escalate to premeditated murder.

He shot a laptop, in a safe and controlled environment, the only thing that I fault him for is not wearing the proper hearing and eye protection.

 

[thethird0611]

I'm going to go ahead an copy something that somebody on Tumblr said that I agree with 100 percent.
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Seriously, why is it the daughter's fault? And why is the response that people applaud not 'Talk to your daughter' and instead 'Make a mockery out of how she feels on Youtube?'

Finally someone who gets it! There is not a gene that makes people spoiled or immature, it is not something that just happens. No, IT IS LEARNED! And it is a sign of bad parenting.

So when this guy was confronted with the fact that he and his wife are SHIT at parenting he could not cope with loosing the delusion of being a good parent and punished HER for HIS failure. And only retards and other failures applaud that.

People should understand by now that a loud minority (I dont want to believe its the majority) on escapist applauds bad parrenting and hates kids. This is why such things here are so supported, they hate kids. Therefor they dont need to hear about kids being treated like normal human-beings. Actually, the more mistreatment it seems the more they like the story. Im pretty sure back when the video of the father that 'hit' his daughter came up like half those people were supporting it because (OH, IT WAS ONLY WITH THE BACK OF HIS HAND)

You know how I was punished?. . . well, alright. I wasnt since I didnt misbehave ever.

But you know how my SISTER! Was puinished? They cut off the internet for a while and took her phone and didnt let her see her friends. No contact to friends for a couple of days is a really good, unharmful. Punishment.

I have to chime in on this, because I need to apologize for the way I minimized that other video. My parents have a lot in common with both the guy in that video, and especially with the guy in this one. It took going off to college for a year and a half and coming back for my final internship to realize just how abnormal this kind of parenting is.

OT: This is abuse, plain and simple. We're only getting one side of the story, the abuser's, and frankly, I'm more inclined to believe the daughter than I am him. So what if he shows a nice face to the world? Successful abusers /do./ It's how they treat their family that counts, and we've just been shown a disturbing, accidentally honest slice of how this man treats his family.

Edit: Oh, and who want's to bet on what that "$130 worth of software" was? Because my guess is that the "upgrade" was nothing but a copy of Microsoft Office, which she probably legitimately needed for class. "Luxury item" my ass.

Ive been trying to keep from chiming in on this, but have you even read his follow ups? The reaction of his daughter, etc.? Go on his facebook and look (you can get there from the video).

Heres a few bullet points.

1. Daughter felt bad at first, come to realize she was in the wrong, getting along with life happily.
2. Police and CPS visited him because of the TREMENDOUS amount of calls from internet goers. Results? The officers said 'kudos from the department', and the CPS gal dismissed it after a thorough investigation.

So... No. No abuse, the family is just fine, and everything is getting along well with them.

You do know that regardless of what his daughter thinks, her only means of communication is him and she's gonna feel like she has to appease him to avoid more punishment, yeah? If she dissented then we really wouldn't know.

So him giving her an offer to make her own video in response, or post something on facebook about it, makes it so she appeases her? He again even told in one of his post that she sat with him and looked at some of the comments on the matter, and she couldnt believe what people were saying. Plain and simple she said she was fine.

Soo... That, and that her friends could always report how she really feels somehow?

Just because there is a conspiracy theory doesnt mean that its true.

He will be able to monitor anything she says. Suppose she dissents. How do you think he will react? With flowers? Or maybe punishing her? Or at best maybe it will simply earn her no good will when what she's going to want most at this point is for this whole thing to go away and for her to get a new laptop or whatever. The last way to achieve that is via dissent.

It's not a conspiracy theory to point out that she's not going to want to piss him off. Where the fuck is the conspiracy element in that? I'm saying that she won't feel like she can speak freely. Which is pretty bloody obvious to anyone who stopped to think about it for a second.

If she reacts maturely, its pretty obvious in his speech that he would be ok with it. If she starts acting childish, well theres not much more he can punish her with.

*facepalm* Or maybe if you actually thought for a microsecond you would realize that if we can see her being childish so can her dad. And yes, there is more he can punish her with. Like continuing to keep her grounded. Or who knows what else, more chores.

You know whats funny? She actually DOES want this whole thing to blow over. Thats why shes staying out of it and speaking some through her father. Go read the post that he put on facebook before you reply with this again. Just so we are on level ground.

You keep trying to point at what she says for proof that she is being honest about it. Anyone with half a brain ought to realize that pointing me at something I just pointed out was trustworthy is the height of stupidity.

And you know, if something was wrong, CPS would of picked it up, or she could speak through one of her friends, or she could do a MILLION things. This is viral now, and trying to keep information from the public is near impossible. Hell, he cant even leave his phone on and his email is full.

*facepalm* Hey dude. Can you read? Right now do it. Go and try and read my posts and see where I said anything about abuse. Oh hey I didn't. Are you trying to bring down my IQ with your posts because it sure feels like it.

Oh, and to say is pretty obvious is only trying to bring your point up while trying to bring my point down. I could say, 'its bloody obvious shes fine if anyone would stop and think about it', but that would discredit intelligent thinking. Yes, there always is a chance, but there is more evidence toward the side of 'shes fine' then to 'shes being mistreated'

Your entire post has already been a disservice to intelligent thinking. I didn't say anything about mistreatment I've just been saying that if she doesn't like what he did she has no way to say it freely without him seeing and perhaps applying consequences.

And because your entire reply there was trying to be insulting and down trodden to someones words, I bow out of this discussion. (Well, that's the low IQ level, stupid thinking, half a brain would say right?)

Well that's a rather blatant way to avoid admitting that your argument was stupid since I didn't in fact say anything about mistreatment or abuse. Nothing but a cop out on your part. But go on, I can't make you face the fact that you were mostly arguing against something I didn't actually say.

No, thats a rather blatant way of saying 'Im not going to be in a be discussion where insults are being thrown at me. If I argued a wrong point, bring THAT up, not your insults. Thats how discussions work. But, with seeing your attitude about it, Id rather not discuss anything with you.

 

[Malty Milk Whistle]

The thing i find quite frightening is that Not many people commented on her little "Cleaning lady" part. To be fair, not as many people would be bitching if he used say, a hammer. She IS a spoilt girl, the dad went slightly OTT, but i can see where he is coming from.

 

[JaceArveduin]

Well yes she can relay things through him, but do you really think she'd relay her actual opinion if it's a negative one? He punished her for posting something that he was never supposed to see that he found insulting. Why wouldn't he be displeased if she continued to voice her support of that opinion? And she would know that he probably wouldn't be too happy if she didn't appear to 'reform'.

True, of course, the whole point of this was to get a point across to all of her friends who thought doing something similar is a good idea. The fact it went viral is collateral. And you have to admit, he's got some morals, otherwise he'd be on news shows making tons of cash, he basically told them to fuck off. I did send it to my mom though, and her and Mike (stepdad) enjoyed it.

 

[mega48man]

now if he were a SMART dad, he would of taken the lap top to a micro-center, or other tech store, and sold the laptop as used, make a little money back . . . but that's now where near as cool as unloading a 45 into it, that man is awesome and a good parent.

 

[thethird0611]

I'm going to go ahead an copy something that somebody on Tumblr said that I agree with 100 percent.
....

Seriously, why is it the daughter's fault? And why is the response that people applaud not 'Talk to your daughter' and instead 'Make a mockery out of how she feels on Youtube?'

Finally someone who gets it! There is not a gene that makes people spoiled or immature, it is not something that just happens. No, IT IS LEARNED! And it is a sign of bad parenting.

So when this guy was confronted with the fact that he and his wife are SHIT at parenting he could not cope with loosing the delusion of being a good parent and punished HER for HIS failure. And only retards and other failures applaud that.

People should understand by now that a loud minority (I dont want to believe its the majority) on escapist applauds bad parrenting and hates kids. This is why such things here are so supported, they hate kids. Therefor they dont need to hear about kids being treated like normal human-beings. Actually, the more mistreatment it seems the more they like the story. Im pretty sure back when the video of the father that 'hit' his daughter came up like half those people were supporting it because (OH, IT WAS ONLY WITH THE BACK OF HIS HAND)

You know how I was punished?. . . well, alright. I wasnt since I didnt misbehave ever.

But you know how my SISTER! Was puinished? They cut off the internet for a while and took her phone and didnt let her see her friends. No contact to friends for a couple of days is a really good, unharmful. Punishment.

I have to chime in on this, because I need to apologize for the way I minimized that other video. My parents have a lot in common with both the guy in that video, and especially with the guy in this one. It took going off to college for a year and a half and coming back for my final internship to realize just how abnormal this kind of parenting is.

OT: This is abuse, plain and simple. We're only getting one side of the story, the abuser's, and frankly, I'm more inclined to believe the daughter than I am him. So what if he shows a nice face to the world? Successful abusers /do./ It's how they treat their family that counts, and we've just been shown a disturbing, accidentally honest slice of how this man treats his family.

Edit: Oh, and who want's to bet on what that "$130 worth of software" was? Because my guess is that the "upgrade" was nothing but a copy of Microsoft Office, which she probably legitimately needed for class. "Luxury item" my ass.

Ive been trying to keep from chiming in on this, but have you even read his follow ups? The reaction of his daughter, etc.? Go on his facebook and look (you can get there from the video).

Heres a few bullet points.

1. Daughter felt bad at first, come to realize she was in the wrong, getting along with life happily.
2. Police and CPS visited him because of the TREMENDOUS amount of calls from internet goers. Results? The officers said 'kudos from the department', and the CPS gal dismissed it after a thorough investigation.

So... No. No abuse, the family is just fine, and everything is getting along well with them.

You do know that regardless of what his daughter thinks, her only means of communication is him and she's gonna feel like she has to appease him to avoid more punishment, yeah? If she dissented then we really wouldn't know.

So him giving her an offer to make her own video in response, or post something on facebook about it, makes it so she appeases her? He again even told in one of his post that she sat with him and looked at some of the comments on the matter, and she couldnt believe what people were saying. Plain and simple she said she was fine.

Soo... That, and that her friends could always report how she really feels somehow?

Just because there is a conspiracy theory doesnt mean that its true.

He will be able to monitor anything she says. Suppose she dissents. How do you think he will react? With flowers? Or maybe punishing her? Or at best maybe it will simply earn her no good will when what she's going to want most at this point is for this whole thing to go away and for her to get a new laptop or whatever. The last way to achieve that is via dissent.

It's not a conspiracy theory to point out that she's not going to want to piss him off. Where the fuck is the conspiracy element in that? I'm saying that she won't feel like she can speak freely. Which is pretty bloody obvious to anyone who stopped to think about it for a second.

If she reacts maturely, its pretty obvious in his speech that he would be ok with it. If she starts acting childish, well theres not much more he can punish her with.

*facepalm* Or maybe if you actually thought for a microsecond you would realize that if we can see her being childish so can her dad. And yes, there is more he can punish her with. Like continuing to keep her grounded. Or who knows what else, more chores.

You know whats funny? She actually DOES want this whole thing to blow over. Thats why shes staying out of it and speaking some through her father. Go read the post that he put on facebook before you reply with this again. Just so we are on level ground.

You keep trying to point at what she says for proof that she is being honest about it. Anyone with half a brain ought to realize that pointing me at something I just pointed out was trustworthy is the height of stupidity.

And you know, if something was wrong, CPS would of picked it up, or she could speak through one of her friends, or she could do a MILLION things. This is viral now, and trying to keep information from the public is near impossible. Hell, he cant even leave his phone on and his email is full.

*facepalm* Hey dude. Can you read? Right now do it. Go and try and read my posts and see where I said anything about abuse. Oh hey I didn't. Are you trying to bring down my IQ with your posts because it sure feels like it.

Oh, and to say is pretty obvious is only trying to bring your point up while trying to bring my point down. I could say, 'its bloody obvious shes fine if anyone would stop and think about it', but that would discredit intelligent thinking. Yes, there always is a chance, but there is more evidence toward the side of 'shes fine' then to 'shes being mistreated'

Your entire post has already been a disservice to intelligent thinking. I didn't say anything about mistreatment I've just been saying that if she doesn't like what he did she has no way to say it freely without him seeing and perhaps applying consequences.

And because your entire reply there was trying to be insulting and down trodden to someones words, I bow out of this discussion. (Well, that's the low IQ level, stupid thinking, half a brain would say right?)

Well that's a rather blatant way to avoid admitting that your argument was stupid since I didn't in fact say anything about mistreatment or abuse. Nothing but a cop out on your part. But go on, I can't make you face the fact that you were mostly arguing against something I didn't actually say.

No, thats a rather blatant way of saying 'Im not going to be in a be discussion where insults are being thrown at me. If I argued a wrong point, bring THAT up, not your insults. Thats how discussions work. But, with seeing your attitude about it, Id rather not discuss anything with you.

I did bring up that you argued a wrong point. You're failing to acknowledge it. Maybe I'd be nicer about it if you'd taken the trouble to actual think a bit before posting and notice that I wasn't the one talking about abuse, instead of giving some knee jerk response to someone else posting the idea that the father may be abusive.

So now your insulting is my fault? Ok, let me bring up a joke from famous comedian Christopher Titus.

-Titus - "You stabbed me!"
-Girlfriend - "Well, what did you do to get stabbed?"
-Titus - "I.. I... The door was locked"
-Girlfriend - "Well, if you would of had your keys, you wouldnt of got stabbed."
-Titus - "Ohhhh, it is my fault. Bad bad bad."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PViekUP0vo4

Something for the OT (Not for Mortai):
Regulation of guns because of the safe use of them to destroy a target isn't very viable I think. Im just glad in the video he said "I... I wanted to but a bullet right in that computer", instead of anything else.

 

[Sentox6]

Second, why does the fact that the weapon being a 'lethal tool' have any bearing whatsoever? I've shot paper targets, soda cans, and beer bottles with firearms; what makes a laptop any different? He selected his target area so that there would be no collateral damage and chose his ammunition for same.

This. A gun is a tool that propels pieces of metal at high velocities. Nothing less, nothing more. The way some people talk, you'd think it was an artifact of infinite evil that gives everyone in a five mile radius AIDS.

A man destroyed a laptop that he legally owned. No one was put at risk here. There really has to be something better to worry about.

 

[Malty Milk Whistle]

In a way, I'm actually not really offended by this or think of this is bad. Now, I think shooting the laptop was a little unnecessary (and didn't contain enough awesome to be completely worth the X amount of dollars that was spent on it), but I do think the man's stance is a solid one; parents (usually) do a lot more for their kids than the kids realize and they (usually) aren't nearly as bad as their kids make them out to be. Early in high-school I realized that my parents do a lot more than I give them credit for and I became much more forgiving and kind to them.

a agree with this man. He has a Adam west Avatar. You must listen to him.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

I'm going to go ahead an copy something that somebody on Tumblr said that I agree with 100 percent.
....

Seriously, why is it the daughter's fault? And why is the response that people applaud not 'Talk to your daughter' and instead 'Make a mockery out of how she feels on Youtube?'

Finally someone who gets it! There is not a gene that makes people spoiled or immature, it is not something that just happens. No, IT IS LEARNED! And it is a sign of bad parenting.

So when this guy was confronted with the fact that he and his wife are SHIT at parenting he could not cope with loosing the delusion of being a good parent and punished HER for HIS failure. And only retards and other failures applaud that.

People should understand by now that a loud minority (I dont want to believe its the majority) on escapist applauds bad parrenting and hates kids. This is why such things here are so supported, they hate kids. Therefor they dont need to hear about kids being treated like normal human-beings. Actually, the more mistreatment it seems the more they like the story. Im pretty sure back when the video of the father that 'hit' his daughter came up like half those people were supporting it because (OH, IT WAS ONLY WITH THE BACK OF HIS HAND)

You know how I was punished?. . . well, alright. I wasnt since I didnt misbehave ever.

But you know how my SISTER! Was puinished? They cut off the internet for a while and took her phone and didnt let her see her friends. No contact to friends for a couple of days is a really good, unharmful. Punishment.

I have to chime in on this, because I need to apologize for the way I minimized that other video. My parents have a lot in common with both the guy in that video, and especially with the guy in this one. It took going off to college for a year and a half and coming back for my final internship to realize just how abnormal this kind of parenting is.

OT: This is abuse, plain and simple. We're only getting one side of the story, the abuser's, and frankly, I'm more inclined to believe the daughter than I am him. So what if he shows a nice face to the world? Successful abusers /do./ It's how they treat their family that counts, and we've just been shown a disturbing, accidentally honest slice of how this man treats his family.

Edit: Oh, and who want's to bet on what that "$130 worth of software" was? Because my guess is that the "upgrade" was nothing but a copy of Microsoft Office, which she probably legitimately needed for class. "Luxury item" my ass.

Ive been trying to keep from chiming in on this, but have you even read his follow ups? The reaction of his daughter, etc.? Go on his facebook and look (you can get there from the video).

Heres a few bullet points.

1. Daughter felt bad at first, come to realize she was in the wrong, getting along with life happily.
2. Police and CPS visited him because of the TREMENDOUS amount of calls from internet goers. Results? The officers said 'kudos from the department', and the CPS gal dismissed it after a thorough investigation.

So... No. No abuse, the family is just fine, and everything is getting along well with them.

You do know that regardless of what his daughter thinks, her only means of communication is him and she's gonna feel like she has to appease him to avoid more punishment, yeah? If she dissented then we really wouldn't know.

So him giving her an offer to make her own video in response, or post something on facebook about it, makes it so she appeases her? He again even told in one of his post that she sat with him and looked at some of the comments on the matter, and she couldnt believe what people were saying. Plain and simple she said she was fine.

Soo... That, and that her friends could always report how she really feels somehow?

Just because there is a conspiracy theory doesnt mean that its true.

He will be able to monitor anything she says. Suppose she dissents. How do you think he will react? With flowers? Or maybe punishing her? Or at best maybe it will simply earn her no good will when what she's going to want most at this point is for this whole thing to go away and for her to get a new laptop or whatever. The last way to achieve that is via dissent.

It's not a conspiracy theory to point out that she's not going to want to piss him off. Where the fuck is the conspiracy element in that? I'm saying that she won't feel like she can speak freely. Which is pretty bloody obvious to anyone who stopped to think about it for a second.

If she reacts maturely, its pretty obvious in his speech that he would be ok with it. If she starts acting childish, well theres not much more he can punish her with.

*facepalm* Or maybe if you actually thought for a microsecond you would realize that if we can see her being childish so can her dad. And yes, there is more he can punish her with. Like continuing to keep her grounded. Or who knows what else, more chores.

You know whats funny? She actually DOES want this whole thing to blow over. Thats why shes staying out of it and speaking some through her father. Go read the post that he put on facebook before you reply with this again. Just so we are on level ground.

You keep trying to point at what she says for proof that she is being honest about it. Anyone with half a brain ought to realize that pointing me at something I just pointed out was trustworthy is the height of stupidity.

And you know, if something was wrong, CPS would of picked it up, or she could speak through one of her friends, or she could do a MILLION things. This is viral now, and trying to keep information from the public is near impossible. Hell, he cant even leave his phone on and his email is full.

*facepalm* Hey dude. Can you read? Right now do it. Go and try and read my posts and see where I said anything about abuse. Oh hey I didn't. Are you trying to bring down my IQ with your posts because it sure feels like it.

Oh, and to say is pretty obvious is only trying to bring your point up while trying to bring my point down. I could say, 'its bloody obvious shes fine if anyone would stop and think about it', but that would discredit intelligent thinking. Yes, there always is a chance, but there is more evidence toward the side of 'shes fine' then to 'shes being mistreated'

Your entire post has already been a disservice to intelligent thinking. I didn't say anything about mistreatment I've just been saying that if she doesn't like what he did she has no way to say it freely without him seeing and perhaps applying consequences.

And because your entire reply there was trying to be insulting and down trodden to someones words, I bow out of this discussion. (Well, that's the low IQ level, stupid thinking, half a brain would say right?)

Well that's a rather blatant way to avoid admitting that your argument was stupid since I didn't in fact say anything about mistreatment or abuse. Nothing but a cop out on your part. But go on, I can't make you face the fact that you were mostly arguing against something I didn't actually say.

No, thats a rather blatant way of saying 'Im not going to be in a be discussion where insults are being thrown at me. If I argued a wrong point, bring THAT up, not your insults. Thats how discussions work. But, with seeing your attitude about it, Id rather not discuss anything with you.

I did bring up that you argued a wrong point. You're failing to acknowledge it. Maybe I'd be nicer about it if you'd taken the trouble to actual think a bit before posting and notice that I wasn't the one talking about abuse, instead of giving some knee jerk response to someone else posting the idea that the father may be abusive.

So now your insulting is my fault? Ok, let me bring up a joke from famous comedian Christopher Titus.

-Titus - "You stabbed me!"
-Girlfriend - "Well, what did you do to get stabbed?"
-Titus - "I.. I... The door was locked"
-Girlfriend - "Well, if you would of had your keys, you wouldnt of got stabbed."
-Titus - "Ohhhh, it is my fault. Bad bad bad."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PViekUP0vo4

Not a particularly applicable joke. Stabbing is not an appropriate response to such a mistake. Being a tad disparaging of your argument is quite warranted when clearly little thought was put into it.

In fact, it's not applicable at all in defending someone accused of abuse: "you made me do it" is pretty much the go-to excuse to get people to stick around in an abusive relationship, as in "I'm sorry I stabbed you, but you made me do it. If you hadn't left your keys at home, I wouldn't have stabbed you for knocking on the door."

 

[Cpu46]

I feel that he had every right to shoot the laptop and I don't judge him for it.

First off even the list of chores she puts in her facebook post before the father corrects her is laughable. Hell, when I spend the summers at my parents I do everything on that list aside from shoveling manure on a semi daily basis and my family doesn't have anyone else to come around and help clean. I knew that as hard as the chores I did seemed my parents worked twice as hard in order to pay for all of the stuff I took for granted. I never got paid for my chores nor did I expect to because I knew that the money got back to me in one way or another. Her asking to be paid for that list when she has been given a laptop and $130 upgrades is sick and disrespectful. I didn't have a laptop until I was 18 and heading off to college and I paid for $400 of it with the money I made from the job I got when I was 16. Sure I complained about the chores sometimes, especially when I was still getting used to having to balance school, my job, my responsibilities, and my social life but I never would have even thought about badmouthing my parents like that.


The use of a firearm for this purpose does not trouble me at all. Maybe that is because I have grown up around guns and shoot targets whenever I get the chance as does half my family. I don't know about where all of you people are from but there are places where a rifle or pistol is considered as much of a tool as a hammer or axe, albeit one that you treat with a lot more caution or respect. He obviously knew how to use it safely. He seemed to have planned this out in advance so it wasn't a hot blooded act. Sure he was angry but he wasn't enraged.

By the way did the dad say that he had two jobs and went to high school and college at the same time at her age? I find that hard to believe..
(I might just have misunderstood)

I really think "went to college" meant taking one or two college level courses which is allowed and even encouraged at some universities. That would make it relatively easy to balance. School every weekday till it let out. Have a job monday wednesday friday after school, take a course that meets tuesday thursday, and then have another job for the weekend. Not really all that hard to believe. I have friends who had similar schedules.

 

[Laxman9292]

Actually it is a right in America and that's not going to be changed so you're wrong

Though I agree it was wrong to use a .45 like I said in the other thread. A 12 gauge with buckshot would've been about 20% cooler

Rights should be either taken away or made more strict when abused by an individual. When someone boycotts someone's funeral, they should be sued for disturbing the peace and harassment, when someone unloads an entire clip into a computer for the sake of being angry they should lose their right to use a firearm due to displaying little to no discipline with the tool.

I'm not wrong since our rights have been violated anyway, as our right to a fair trial when under arrest has been revoked anyway. (Which I do no see any positive outcome from and I do not support.) A gun is not a plaything or a toy. I'm not sure if you a trolling or you are honestly that deluded.

Edit: Besides, the law states that American's have the right to bare arms. Not to discharge them under any circumstance.

A gun is yours to do whatever the hell you want with it as long as you aren't infringing on anyone else's rights. A chainsaw is a tool but if you don't want to cut wood with it and would rather tear around your yard pretending you're in Army of Darkness that's your prerogative. He used his gun as a tool to teach his daughter a lesson, he didn't brandish it at anyone or shoot anyone and the laptop was his to destroy.

 

[Rtoip]

While it's them who bought it I don't approve parents destroying their kids stuff as punishment, confiscate for unspecified period of time yes, destroy no.

Also I have one much more bigger problem with this. It could be treated as threatening with firearm. It might seem a stretch, but look:
She badmouthed on facebook, he shot her laptop and what next ?? Is he going to shoot her next time they get in an argument ?? Personally i would feel threatened. People who know the law there better,how would police react is she said that her father is shooting her stuff and she's scared.

If father is to be believed they got over it relatively well and such things aren't the case, but think about that for a while.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

The gun was a bit too far... and I hope he doesn't stalk his daughters Facebook. Other then that though I agree with him and his daughter is an idiot and an attention seeker. Why would she bother writing a letter to her parents after purposely blocking them.

While it's them who bought it I don't approve parents destroying their kids stuff as punishment, confiscate for unspecified period of time yes, destroy no.

I think its good incentive to buy things myself. If I own the object then I don't let my parents take it. They normally agree with me.