Dark Souls for PC: Petition

[Amaror]

why not just get a ps3? You can get one for the price of a decent ram upgrade

Well then show me the shop that sells a ps 3 for 40 bucks, i'll wait...

so you've only ever spent 40 dollars upgrading your ram?

Well, yes i did. Oh wait 40 euros, so 51,0764 american dollars, still i want you to show me a ps3 at that price.
with ram you do mean random - access - memory, right?
Would i upgrade my ram now i would probably spent 36,99 Euros for an 8 gb ram ddr3 - 1333 kit.
Or did you meant something else when you said "ram"?

 

[Hobonicus]

@Kheapathic

I'd first like to say that my original post in this thread was as a response to someone who believed TB was saying "PC gamers are the only ones who'd appreciate Dark Souls". I'm not really here to defend the numerous claims about PC users being horrible people. I do have my opinions on how freedom fighter console users have seriously hyped up the mostly nonexistent elitism in regards to PCs and how frustrating it is to deal with such narrow minded discrimination; but my original issue was with Gorilla Gunk for championing that contrived hatred by thinking he could get away with purposefully misquoting TB.

And while you're pretty mature about your responses, there's definitely that case of ironic hatred running through most of your post. Every time you lash out at a PC user's "elitism" (the idea that they think they're better than you) for mostly arbitrary reasons, you insinuate that you are better than them.

Also, earlier you attacked TB because the stuff he said applies to more than just the PC crowd (an attack which itself missed the point because he was only referring to how well the game would be received on PC) yet you constantly attribute general concepts (that pertain to many groups) to only PC users. So you're trying to call him out on favoritism while simultaneously generalizing PC users with ridiculously broad abstractions. Think of this while reading over your post and my responses.

His choice of words is also poor because with how well the game did there isn't much reasoning needed; it was received very well, you don't need to identify a certain group of possible sales and then say why it caters to them.

This bit I just plain don't understand. He's presenting an argument for why it would be well received on the PC. You can't just say "It's clearly a good game, everyone will like it." How can you honestly take issue with him backing up his argument? Is supporting your argument a sign of elitism now, too?

why do the PC crowd feel the need to put a modifier on everything? An RPG just can't be a RPG, it has to be an W/J/A/C/S/XRPG. The best part is there's always confusion on it because some people have different ideas about what games falls under which category.

Whyyyyy do you attribute that to the PC crowd? Seriously, why? And what does it have to do with TB's elitism or Dark Souls coming to PC?

So a game that made his top 10 for the year was good but could be so much better with increased graphics, framerate and everything else... if the game was fine as is why go on about making it better?

This is an argument I see all the time, and it's ridiculous. The whole "It's fine, let it be" anti-improvement shtick is a cop out. Okay, you don't care about improvements, but I'm not one to simply take what I'm fed and not think about the potential. Fine, go be conservative and apathetic, but why does the desire for fully realized potential deserve disdain?

A game should be fun plain and simple, if how it looks and the difference between 720 and 1080 can detract from your enjoyment then you're playing the game for the wrong reasons.

Another one people use in these silly PC vs console wars. If you can't beat their argument then just blown it off as unimportant. Anyway, you know that graphics wasn't his only argument, and while I don't really care about graphics, I'm at least aware that visual appeal is a significant part of every game. Games are an experience. You tell off PC users for constantly oppressing you with their elitism then suggest they don't play games correctly? So then do console users play games correctly? Does that make console users better?

Maybe there wouldn't be such disdain if they wouldn't put their penis on the table every time people try to talk about something.

This is one of the biggest problems I have because this is hardly a thing. People are arrogant all the time, it's not PC users that hold monopoly on dick waving. So why do you say it? Because you're angry and prejudiced and just don't know better?

In this thread alone I saw a single asshole who could potentially be considered a PC elitist vs a wave of people who instead just passively insinuate that their dick is in fact the larger because they're fighting against the man. People who drop single sentence studies on the effects of ignorance like this one:

I agree with the idea, But all i hear is him spouting "PC MASTER RACE CONSOLES ARE TERRIBLE"

because they're fightin' the good fight against the loathed concept of arrogance. So who's the elitist? Someone who assumes they're automatically better than the trendy new target of easy scorn? I also seem to have missed the part where TB put his dick out on the table, could you point out where he did that?

They also champion older games for their fun factor and not how good they look. Why argue with a double standard, if you're going to boast about how great it looks then stay consistent with the love of graphics.

That's not a double standard. Good gameplay does not mean bad graphics and vice versa. You're taking the concepts out of context and you know it.

As I said earlier, I bet he doesn't even know any other titles by From Software or that they weren't expecting to ship past 75,000 units when they released Demon's Souls in North America. That's why Atlus was the publisher, when it blew up they needed a bigger publisher and that's why Namco/Bandai did it for Dark Souls. So he doesn't know jack about the developer but would love to see their dream fully realized on the one thing that can only do it.

I really got nothing to say on this. He may not have been able to name another game from them, so what? I thought your point was to show me where he said PC users are better than console users. If you think maybe not knowing the developer's past is flaw in his argument to have Dark Souls ported then cool, but my issue was with calling him an elitist by virtue of enjoying his PC.

But then we get to the end of that paragraph...

So he doesn't know jack about the developer but would love to see their dream fully realized on the one thing that can only do it.

...aaaand we've come full circle. He never said only the PC can do it. Not once You literally quoted me calling out someone on this and then you end with the same thing. You simply cannot misquote someone so blatantly and expect people not to notice.

Do you see where the hate is coming from now?

I've always understood where the hate conceptually comes from, but I still think it's contrived, unfair, ignorant, and contradictory.

 

[Korten12]

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You actually ignored one arguemnet. Mods will break this game.

Many PC gamers here already stated they would want Mods, but with how Dark Souls is played and meant to be played online. People would go around with One hit kill weapons and completely break PvP and if these weapons get dropped and traded, then well, good bye any chance at good and fair pvp.

That's not really how mods work, that's more how cheating works. Mods could make the game easier, harder, better looking, smoother running, better sounding etc etc

If a pvp server was set up with one hit kills, everyone playing would be doing one hit kills not just one dude who modded himself a really nice weapon which he then decided to drop and it was picked up by some other dude

Better looking mods are fine. Difficutly shouldn't be changed because as you beat the game it get's harder.

You don't understand though, you don't pick your server. You go online and play with everyone. That's the whole point of the online, if you could pick up yuor server, then the community would be broken up.

The game is meant to played online so then people at any time can invade your game or you invite them to yours. Mods that change any aspect of this, would break it.

What you have done there is that you have not understand the how mods have dealt with multiplayer before.

Diablo 2 could be modded

You could not use a mod on battle-net. It would be clean there.

Another example is dungeon defenders.
Mods are dictated by the host. If it is official then it will be clean. If it is a private server then it will be decided by the host.

It is as simple as that. And demon souls can use the same system.

Your mods will be decided by the host. Not a difficult concept.

but you also must understand, Dark Souls isn't a host game. You don't start up a private game and let people join. Everyone is on one server. And if the game came out for the PC, most likely it would be just a port, they wouldn't go out of their way to add a whole set of new features that would radically change Dark Souls from what it is.

 

[Hobonicus]

God, TB does know how to make himself a **** sometimes.
But whatever, I'll sign it. Always nice to get a great game out there a bit more.

He's a giant PC elitist like all the time, but he does have some very good points.

I agree. But seriously, what the fuck was that "I'd like to see it be on PC where it can truly be appreciated!" shit? Over 1.5 million copies sold in under a month! That's a fucking lot of copies, y'know?

I like how saying PC users would appreciate the game for perfectly valid and maturely presented reasons immediately makes him some sort of fanboy elitist ****. These days saying anything remotely positive about a PC automaticaly makes you an asshole, and the people who call you a **** despite no offense being given are considered the good guys. Classy.

Sorry, let me take a few steps back and explain.
I'm not really a fan of elitist attitudes, especially in gaming, it just seems a bit silly. As someone who plays on consoles and PC, I can sort of see where both arguments are coming from, and the way he phrased some of his points seemed rather insulting to console players. I won't deny superior hardware or whatever, but saying "I'd like it to come to PC so it can be truly appreciated" or whatever just seems a bit cuntish.
Hope that's at least cleared a bit up.

I know what you mean, but I think you're running off some contrived animosity here. I've said this a few times on the thread, but anyone who thinks this is some sort of contest between consoles and PCs made that up in their head. You heard something along the lines of "PCs can give this game better graphics" and translated it as "PC gamers are better than console gamers."

He never once suggests that it wasn't appreciated on consoles, or even that it would be more appreciated on PC than consoles. He only ever says that Dark Souls would be appreciated on PC as opposed to not being appreciated, not as opposed to consoles. Consoles gamers are never brought up until the presumptuous comments section.

Nobody is a fan of elitism, but it's never gonna get better if people automatically assume elitism whenever a preference for PCs is even hinted at.

 

[Eventidal]

This reminds me of Operation get anally raped by NOA Rainfall...

I'm hoping the outcome turns out a lot better in our favor.

 

[omega 616]

I'm back in this thread *heh*

There was one thing I wanted to say: You would be surprised how many people assume that the PC doesn't have the better hardware. Last week I explained a friend of mine exactly that, he assumed that the PC has just now reached PS3 level of hardware capability. And there are still lots of people who think that, since you seem to watch some of TBs mailboxes: There are sometimes perfect examples for that.

Also, since he just stated the obvious and doesn't throw console gaming away just because he clearly prefers the PC (he harped about the lesser costs of consoles at least as much as he harped on the PC beeing a platform with superiour hardware) I never got an "elitist" vibe from his videos. Just preferences.

That's why I said somewhere that serious gamers know the difference, of course there are people who aren't as educated but are they really going to listen and take in that PC's can be better than consoles.

Just 'cos it is a PC doesn't mean it is inherently better in terms of performance.

OOOH I dunno, he seems to knock the console pretty hard and then throw it a bone so he doesn't come across as being elitist 'cos he can always go back and point out "look I said this good thing about consoles".

 

[Meight08]

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You actually ignored one arguemnet. Mods will break this game.

Many PC gamers here already stated they would want Mods, but with how Dark Souls is played and meant to be played online. People would go around with One hit kill weapons and completely break PvP and if these weapons get dropped and traded, then well, good bye any chance at good and fair pvp.

That's not really how mods work, that's more how cheating works. Mods could make the game easier, harder, better looking, smoother running, better sounding etc etc

If a pvp server was set up with one hit kills, everyone playing would be doing one hit kills not just one dude who modded himself a really nice weapon which he then decided to drop and it was picked up by some other dude

Better looking mods are fine. Difficutly shouldn't be changed because as you beat the game it get's harder.

You don't understand though, you don't pick your server. You go online and play with everyone. That's the whole point of the online, if you could pick up yuor server, then the community would be broken up.

The game is meant to played online so then people at any time can invade your game or you invite them to yours. Mods that change any aspect of this, would break it.

What you have done there is that you have not understand the how mods have dealt with multiplayer before.

Diablo 2 could be modded

You could not use a mod on battle-net. It would be clean there.

Another example is dungeon defenders.
Mods are dictated by the host. If it is official then it will be clean. If it is a private server then it will be decided by the host.

It is as simple as that. And demon souls can use the same system.

Your mods will be decided by the host. Not a difficult concept.

but you also must understand, Dark Souls isn't a host game. You don't start up a private game and let people join. Everyone is on one server. And if the game came out for the PC, most likely it would be just a port, they wouldn't go out of their way to add a whole set of new features that would radically change Dark Souls from what it is.

So it works the same way I just explained with battle-net

Not complicated

no they work like the servers of an mmo
there is no private or public you get put in a server and there are supposed to be many people playing at the same time
to be able to mod it you would have to drastically hack the game like some world of warcraft private servers
That is not modding that is hacking
to be able to actually have your own server you would need a server powerful enough to render the entire game world at the same time like an mmo does.
offline would be possible but online unlikely.

 

[00slash00]

1. Who cares if it looks better? Are we still doing that? Still talking about graphics? Really?

2. Mods? This is not Skyrim bro. People need to get this idea out of their heads that every single game needs to be modded. Dark Souls is a game in which the developers made a decision to take away a shitload of control from the player and make them face the wrath of developmental decisions - whether good or horrendously bad. This is one aspect that drives the game.

I have no problem with people who want to mod their game; go ahead and mod the shit out of Dark Souls, but don't use it as an argument when debating whether it should come to PC. Dark Souls is working as intended.

3. Persistent online play is a rather big part of the game and adds in a huge factor. Unless your doing some sort of challenge, your going to want to play online. This cannot be done with mods, and then imagine the hacking that could take place. The Xbox has already had some trouble with hackers - throwing this on PC with peer to peer connection is going to be a nightmare.

4. This game was designed to be played with a gamepad. If it comes to PC, the developers HAVE to make a MnK transition, despite how horrible it will be. You cannot make a PC game and have an exclaimer "requires 360 controller".

5. The hate on PC fanboys in not unwarranted. How many times to consolers see the "shitty console port" as if the master race has to be exclusively catered to. So you paid a couple grand so you could have slightly better graphics and be able to switch to RedTube at will, but don't make demands for developers. You guys are always one up on console gamers, but we would never know it with all the bitching from the PC master race.

You know what happens when a console gamer asks for a PC exclusive to be ported to consoles? PC nerds tell him to buy a PC. Why is there such a double standard now?

6. All that said, I am not against a PC port, but it is not going to happen. BN already stated that these were rumors and looking at their track record on maintaining DS, nope, it just won't happen. Lets hope the next Souls game can be played by everyone.

i actually did not enjoy playing souls online. there were serious balancing issues and 90% of the time i would get paired with someone who was way way more powerful than me. pvp isnt much fun when you consistently die in one hit. this was true of demons souls too but usually the other way around. the few times i invaded someone it would be someone much weaker than me who would die in one hit. that wasnt fun, it just made me feel like a dick.

no, graphics arent the key reason but it is a factor to consider, as is how the game will run. i dont know about you but playing on the ps3, parts of blight town ran like shit.

im sorry but yes i will use mods as an argument for it coming to pc. i am very interesting what mods may add to the game. yes, a modded dark souls probably wouldnt work online and since i dont play online you may consider my opinion here irrelevant. however, there is always the chance of mods being created that would make the game harder or more interesting or maybe even give developers idea for the next souls game.

most people would not play this on a keyboard, thats just stupid. a usb gamepad is as essential for pc gaming today, as the joystick was back in the 90's. most pc gamers have a 360 controller that they use for pc games.

oh right i forgot, consoles are the only one who get shitty ports, it never happens to pc gamers. i have heard so many people in the gaming business talk about pc gaming being dead and they frequently focus more on consoles than on the pc. if i go into a gamestop the section for pc games is smaller than the section for gamecube games. it seems kinda rare to see a pc exclusive these days and a lot of the games that do get ported have significant issues. im a pc and console gamer and i can think of a lot more console only games than pc only games. finally, dont lump all pc gamers together. yeah some pc gamers are elitist pricks but a lot of them arent. it would be kinda like drawing the conclusion that everyone who plays 360 is either a fratboy or a 12 year old. the loudest ones are, but they dont make up the majority (at least i dont think)

 

[Frostbite3789]

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You actually ignored one arguemnet. Mods will break this game.

Many PC gamers here already stated they would want Mods, but with how Dark Souls is played and meant to be played online. People would go around with One hit kill weapons and completely break PvP and if these weapons get dropped and traded, then well, good bye any chance at good and fair pvp.

You do realize that there can be servers that are secured for online play, right? Diablo 3 may be trying to make people think otherwise, but it is thing in the world.

As seen in: Every game that uses VAC, or Punkbuster.

 

[Piorn]

I don't really care, I won't start all over again just to play Blighttown without lag. It would have been nice a year ago, though.

 

[Korten12]

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You actually ignored one arguemnet. Mods will break this game.

Many PC gamers here already stated they would want Mods, but with how Dark Souls is played and meant to be played online. People would go around with One hit kill weapons and completely break PvP and if these weapons get dropped and traded, then well, good bye any chance at good and fair pvp.

You do realize that there can be servers that are secured for online play, right? Diablo 3 may be trying to make people think otherwise, but it is thing in the world.

As seen in: Every game that uses VAC, or Punkbuster.

You don't understand, It's not like they would switch over the whole structure of online play just to accomadate PC gamers. Most likely a third party will port this game over if anything, so they can't go and change everything about the game.

There IS NO SERVER LIST. There is no choosing who you play with, and to stop. Dark Souls isn't that type of game. You don't go on Dark Souls and choose, the PvP Server or the PvE server. In anything the Mutliplayer on the Pc version would be the same as the console version, peer to peer.

Also VAC doesn't prevent all hackers, they're still rapamnt. Hell COD uses VAC yet many complain about Hackers all over (Pc version, since obviously consoles version don't use VAC.)

Jesus, I am fine with this game coming to PC, but it doesn't even seem like Pc Gamers want Dark Souls, they want some other game that is similar to it or some game they can change to their whim. Since PC Gamers can't seem to just like the game how it is, because apparently no games are good enough till it fits all their needs.

 

[Valdus]

Why do you not want it on PC? Just as TB stated, with a proper port, the PC can have better textures, AA, better framerate(and honestly why wouldn't you want that especially in fucking Blighttown)...etc. Look at Skyrim, Bethesda still haven't yet released the Creation kit and look at the number of awesome mods available. Just imagine the possibilities if From Soft shipped the game with decent modding capabilities.

Honestly, Namco and From Soft will be wasting a huge opportunity if they do not port this amazing game to the PC.

Well my PC isn't that good, so things like better framerates etc aren't enough to convince me to get it on PC over console. Though what bugs me about this is the fact that I can't see the reverse happening - I cannot see a petition to get a PC exclusive shipped over to console.

Why should the PC elitists get console exclusives simply because TB made a video requesting it? Especially considering how many of those elitists (TB included) complain about "console ports" and bad design elements on certain PC games due to "adjustments made for console designs". PC fans ***** constantly about how console ports aren't good enough, so what right to they have to demand one now?

 

[th155]

Ouch... I think reading the past few pages of this thread has literally hurt my brain.

So much intentional misscommunication/ignorance. On both sides.

I consider myself a PC "elitist" Consoles are undeniably inferior than PC's, there is no argument against that that will ever stand up. However, consoles are more convenient and that's why they are more popular. I don't think that's a bad thing.

Now, about Dark Souls. The current argument seems to currently be about online play and how mods will completely break that. And how VAC won't help that. Well, on TF2 (and all source games) there is a svar called sv_pure. It forces the game to launch out of the GCF's instead of allowing custom textures and such (ever wondered why the actual tf2 folder is only 3GB while the game is something like 7-10? Everything is stored in the read-only GCF's.)

Darksouls could run on a similar system - With minimal effort, and still allow mods. Using GCF's or some other similar system, they could allow mods in single player, but force the game to load from the GCF whenever it connects to the multiplayer server. Skyrim uses the same system, with ESM's, deleting a mod is as easy as just deleting the mod from skyrim - no backup necessarily.

It can be quite easily done without mods destroying everything.

Also, i've played how many hours in TF2, CS:S and some regrettable hours in Black Ops. I have only once or twice seen a hacker. People think it will be a rampant problem. No it won't. Perhaps once or twice, but it's not like every single game you join will have a cheater in it.

 

[Korten12]

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You actually ignored one arguemnet. Mods will break this game.

Many PC gamers here already stated they would want Mods, but with how Dark Souls is played and meant to be played online. People would go around with One hit kill weapons and completely break PvP and if these weapons get dropped and traded, then well, good bye any chance at good and fair pvp.

That's not really how mods work, that's more how cheating works. Mods could make the game easier, harder, better looking, smoother running, better sounding etc etc

If a pvp server was set up with one hit kills, everyone playing would be doing one hit kills not just one dude who modded himself a really nice weapon which he then decided to drop and it was picked up by some other dude

Better looking mods are fine. Difficutly shouldn't be changed because as you beat the game it get's harder.

You don't understand though, you don't pick your server. You go online and play with everyone. That's the whole point of the online, if you could pick up yuor server, then the community would be broken up.

The game is meant to played online so then people at any time can invade your game or you invite them to yours. Mods that change any aspect of this, would break it.

What you have done there is that you have not understand the how mods have dealt with multiplayer before.

Diablo 2 could be modded

You could not use a mod on battle-net. It would be clean there.

Another example is dungeon defenders.
Mods are dictated by the host. If it is official then it will be clean. If it is a private server then it will be decided by the host.

It is as simple as that. And demon souls can use the same system.

Your mods will be decided by the host. Not a difficult concept.

but you also must understand, Dark Souls isn't a host game. You don't start up a private game and let people join. Everyone is on one server. And if the game came out for the PC, most likely it would be just a port, they wouldn't go out of their way to add a whole set of new features that would radically change Dark Souls from what it is.

So it works the same way I just explained with battle-net

Not complicated

no they work like the servers of an mmo
there is no private or public you get put in a server and there are supposed to be many people playing at the same time
to be able to mod it you would have to drastically hack the game like some world of warcraft private servers
That is not modding that is hacking
to be able to actually have your own server you would need a server powerful enough to render the entire game world at the same time like an mmo does.
offline would be possible but online unlikely.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You can easily make a portal situation. Just like they do on the console.

It doesn't have to be a single loggede on server. You have no clue what you are talking about and frankly your are spreading misinformation.

You can easily have a battlenet situation or Dungeon defender or just about EVERY fps that gets released. Battlenet games are hosted locally, but goes through statistics are hosted offsite. The fact that you think it has to it has to e a single instance hosted is downright stupid. multiplayer and modding has walked hand in hand for years on the PC solving more complicated systems Demon souls long ago. It can be done easily and safely, the fact you dont know how isn't an issue.

You don't understand. THERE IS NO HOSTING. I don't go on Dark Souls and host a game for people to join. They're not going to change the foundation of the game just to fit some needs of users to mod. If they change how it works, ITS NO LONGER DARK SOULS. Have you actually played the game? Or even know how the multiplayer works?