Dark Souls for PC: Petition

[-Samurai-]

A few too many ifs in there to be worth the money it would take to port and tweak it for PC.

Companies don't take risks and hope they'll make some money. They take the sure thing and make tons of money. Porting Dark Souls to PC isn't a guaranteed win for them. A few thousand signatures on an internet filled with a few thousand of signatures for other things won't change that.

They're not ifs... there are as many gamers who play on the PC as there are gamers who play on consoles, so if you do maths then it will add to their sales by 33% of the total.

oh and some console gamers may also buy the PC version as well purely because they prefer it. meaning it will be even more

If you could kindly show me the math that proves that it would get as many or more sales on PC as it did on consoles.

So roughly the same number of people play each platform. That doesn't mean that the same amount of people will buy that game. Games that release multi-platform don't sell 50% of their copies for PC and 50% for consoles.

Sure, it could outsell the console version. It could rake in tons of money and be generally great. Or it could sell like shit on a stick and cost them money that they'll never get back. Why chance it? To make some people happy?

 

[omega 616]

On topic. I have never played either game dark or demons but movement seems to be key and since with keyboards it's set to 8 directions and nothing else, it could be a hindrance.

It's like a racing game, you can't go a little left, it's either 90 degrees left or 45 degrees. You need a controller or wheel for that and I know you can get them.

I played assassins creed on PC and it's much trickier with a mouse and keyboard than a controller! Can't count the amount of times I leaped to my death or was too slow to get 100% synch 'cos I didn't grab the ledge I wanted!

The thing is, if you're a PC gamer for any length of time you'll know you can use the mouse to enable the full range of movement; im not being elitist, I imagine you can do as much with your controller as I can with my keyboard and mouse.

The only issue I can see is that on the console you can use the analog sticks to control how fast you're moving where on the PC we'll likely only get two speeds, run and walk. (Not counting sprinting because that's on a different key)

I have been a gamer for about 16 years, about 1/4 of the time I play on PC (I know it isn't a lot compared but I have 66 hours on TF2 and 67 on killing floor and I haven't had the games THAT long) so I am ok with a PC.

I know you can use the mouse to enable the full range of movement but it's not as good, to me anyway. Like in assassins creed I had to keep in mind that I had to make sure to keep the camera directly behind Ezio or I knew I would take a 400 FT plunge, as soon as I forgot to keep the camera there off I went.

On console I can push the left analogue stick north by north east with the camera to Ezio's side and still get the ledge I wanted, maybe it's 'cos I am so much more used to a controller than a mouse but it gave me more freedom, I had to think MUCH less about where the camera was in relation to Ezio.

(is Ezio starting to become a really good name for an English kid or what? haha)

 

[omega 616]

After being subbed to TB for a long ass time, I know he is a massive PC elitist! He says consoles are only good for just mindless fun.

Though he has a rather drastical view on consoles as a platform (tbh, I myself see consols as a main platform for people who just want mindless fun aka plug & play and not have to work before the mindless fun starts) he always makes it clear that there is no superiour way of gaming.

And why shouldn't he have this view as someone who casts SC2 matches and other good esport stuff...

I honestly think he is eating his cake, he goes on and on and on about PC's being so much better in every conceivable way and then does a complete 180 and says "but console gaming is fine as well" ... wait, what? I think he just says it so he doesn't get hate mail spammed at him about him being an elitist.

Which I get, he plays his watchers very well but he does let his elitism shine through a lot. Just listen to that vid about why the game should be on PC again, "only PC gamers will truly appreciate the game" if that's not elitism I don't know what is.

Whoops, was meant to put this an edit on my last post!

 

[ksn0va]

[HEADING=1]Do you want to play Dark Souls on PC?[/HEADING]

No. Just no.

You do not know the amount of no that's going through my mind.

Just. No.

Ok. But so far over 27,000 have said yes.

 

[Ickorus]

So, his only point was "People who primarily play games on a PC would probably enjoy it, so they should get it.".

I bet people that primarily game on an NES would probably enjoy it, too. PETITION TO HAVE DARK SOULS MADE FOR NES!!

I really couldn't care less about your choice of platform or why you chose it, but if you want a company to spend money on something for you, you've got to come up with a better reason than "I think people will buy it and like it.".

I don't think there needs to be any more reason than that, if people buy it they make lots of money from it and if people like it there's a chance they'll earn fans who will spend hundreds more on their other games.

A few too many ifs in there to be worth the money it would take to port and tweak it for PC.

Companies don't take risks and hope they'll make some money. They take the sure thing and make tons of money. Porting Dark Souls to PC isn't a guaranteed win for them. A few thousand signatures on an internet filled with a few thousand of signatures for other things won't change that.

At the moment of writing this over 27,000 people have said they want the game and if it was sold at a base price of £35 that means Namco Bandai would make over £950,000; and this is just day two of the petition.

 

[Gindil]

If I wanted Dark Souls on PC, I'd just play IWBTG.

 

[omega 616]

I honestly think he is eating his cake, he goes on and on and on about PC's being so much better in every conceivable way and then does a complete 180 and says "but console gaming is fine as well" ... wait, what? I think he just says it so he doesn't get hate mail spammed at him about him being an elitist.

Which I get, he plays his watchers very well but he does let his elitism shine through a lot. Just listen to that vid about why the game should be on PC again, "only PC gamers will truly appreciate the game" if that's not elitism I don't know what is.

Hmm, understandable point of view. Maybe I don't see it because consoles are nothing of interest to me (no consoles, no TV). What I always get from his videos is that he mostly keeps harping on the hardware side of PC superiourity where he actually has a point but never dismisses console gaming as a valid form of gaming.

But yeah, this is basically we both agreeing that he has a higher view on PC gaming but not agreeing on the actual height.

@video: can you roughly say when he said it? If not, gonna hear through it later and maybe comment on this line myself.

He says it once at 2:50 and I think he says it more forcefully later on but I can't be bothered to watch it all the way through.

Just before 2:50 he goes on about how much better PC is than console and like I have said before about cars, he states the obvious that every gamer knows like only PC gamers know it and he is trying to educate us lowly console gamers to the superior gaming system.

Edit, 9:39 is where he says it again.

 

[The Lunatic]

I honestly think he is eating his cake, he goes on and on and on about PC's being so much better in every conceivable way and then does a complete 180 and says "but console gaming is fine as well" ... wait, what? I think he just says it so he doesn't get hate mail spammed at him about him being an elitist.

Which I get, he plays his watchers very well but he does let his elitism shine through a lot. Just listen to that vid about why the game should be on PC again, "only PC gamers will truly appreciate the game" if that's not elitism I don't know what is.

Whoops, was meant to put this an edit on my last post!

I think of it like mobile games.

Mobile games are fine. They're not graphically brilliant, they're technically inferior to consoles and PCs in every single way, yet the games are fine on them it's perfectly possible to enjoy yourself and there's even a couple that provide a very good experience.

It's the same with consoles.

Technically, they're inferior, but, that doesn't stop them being just as viable a gaming platform as the PC.

 

[omega 616]

I honestly think he is eating his cake, he goes on and on and on about PC's being so much better in every conceivable way and then does a complete 180 and says "but console gaming is fine as well" ... wait, what? I think he just says it so he doesn't get hate mail spammed at him about him being an elitist.

Which I get, he plays his watchers very well but he does let his elitism shine through a lot. Just listen to that vid about why the game should be on PC again, "only PC gamers will truly appreciate the game" if that's not elitism I don't know what is.

Whoops, was meant to put this an edit on my last post!

I think of it like mobile games.

Mobile games are fine. They're not graphically brilliant, they're technically inferior to consoles and PCs in every single way, yet the games are fine on them it's perfectly possible to enjoy yourself and there's even a couple that provide a very good experience.

It's the same with consoles.

Technically, they're inferior, but, that doesn't stop them being just as viable a gaming platform as the PC.

No offence but you sound like TB, every serious gamer knows technically PC is better than console, just as console is technically better than mobile.

So why tell me that again? Not having a go at you but it's what TB does. Like "did you know the worlds fastest car is technically better than a ford focus?" well yeah, it's obvious.

Does it have more powerful parts? Yes. Are they engineered better? Yes. Does it run smoother? Yes, so it's obviously better, telling me more it's better is just making him sound more and more elitist.

Like a kid in a playground who has a 99 in 1 tamagotchi boasting about it to the kids who only have a dog or cat. Of course the 99 in 1 is better but there is no need to keep listing why, it's obvious.

Hope I don't come across as too mean ...

 

[The Lunatic]

No offence but you sound like TB, every serious gamer knows technically PC is better than console, just as console is technically better than mobile.

So why tell me that again? Not having a go at you but it's what TB does. Like "did you know the worlds fastest car is technically better than a ford focus?" well yeah, it's obvious.

Does it have more powerful parts? Yes. Are they engineered better? Yes. Does it run smoother? Yes, so it's obviously better, telling me more it's better is just making him sound more and more elitist.

Like a kid in a playground who has a 99 in 1 tamagotchi boasting about it to the kids who only have a dog or cat. Of course the 99 in 1 is better but there is no need to keep listing why, it's obvious.

Hope I don't come across as too mean ...

I just said it for the sake of orchestrating a point to be honest.

But, I was more talking about how consoles are PC are viable platforms, but for a lot of people not the same experience.

As to why PC gamers bring up the element so much, I don't really know. I suppose when asked "Why are the positions of the platform" it's kinda implied that you have to answer that with "It's technically better". It's kinda the main selling point.

 

[Ickorus]

maybe it's 'cos I am so much more used to a controller than a mouse but it gave me more freedom, I had to think MUCH less about where the camera was in relation to Ezio.

(is Ezio starting to become a really good name for an English kid or what? haha)

I think it's exactly that, like you with the PC I probably use the console 1/4 of the time and I have the same problems you do when using keyboard and mouse.

(Ezio is a pretty cool name regardless of nationality)

 

[-Samurai-]

So, his only point was "People who primarily play games on a PC would probably enjoy it, so they should get it.".

I bet people that primarily game on an NES would probably enjoy it, too. PETITION TO HAVE DARK SOULS MADE FOR NES!!

I really couldn't care less about your choice of platform or why you chose it, but if you want a company to spend money on something for you, you've got to come up with a better reason than "I think people will buy it and like it.".

I don't think there needs to be any more reason than that, if people buy it they make lots of money from it and if people like it there's a chance they'll earn fans who will spend hundreds more on their other games.

A few too many ifs in there to be worth the money it would take to port and tweak it for PC.

Companies don't take risks and hope they'll make some money. They take the sure thing and make tons of money. Porting Dark Souls to PC isn't a guaranteed win for them. A few thousand signatures on an internet filled with a few thousand of signatures for other things won't change that.

At the moment of writing this over 27,000 people have said they want the game and if it was sold at a base price of £35 that means Namco Bandai would make over £950,000; and this is just day two of the petition.

27,000 signatures =/= 27,000 guaranteed sales. Plenty of people in this thread signed while stating that they're not getting it. Then there are the people that can't afford it, and the people that just decide they don't want it when it comes out.

27,000 signatures may as well be none, because none of them are guarantees.

 

[ohnoitsabear]

So, his only point was "People who primarily play games on a PC would probably enjoy it, so they should get it.".

I bet people that primarily game on an NES would probably enjoy it, too. PETITION TO HAVE DARK SOULS MADE FOR NES!!

I really couldn't care less about your choice of platform or why you chose it, but if you want a company to spend money on something for you, you've got to come up with a better reason than "I think people will buy it and like it.".

I don't think there needs to be any more reason than that, if people buy it they make lots of money from it and if people like it there's a chance they'll earn fans who will spend hundreds more on their other games.

A few too many ifs in there to be worth the money it would take to port and tweak it for PC.

Companies don't take risks and hope they'll make some money. They take the sure thing and make tons of money. Porting Dark Souls to PC isn't a guaranteed win for them. A few thousand signatures on an internet filled with a few thousand of signatures for other things won't change that.

At the moment of writing this over 27,000 people have said they want the game and if it was sold at a base price of £35 that means Namco Bandai would make over £950,000; and this is just day two of the petition.

27,000 signatures =/= 27,000 guaranteed sales. Plenty of people in this thread signed while stating that they're not getting it. Then there are the people that can't afford it, and the people that just decide they don't want it when it comes out.

27,000 signatures may as well be none, because none of them are guarantees.

Yeah, but there are also would be people that would buy it that didn't sign the petition, either because they didn't know about it (most gamers don't go on gaming sites all that often) or because they were to lazy or unable to sign it. I'm sure that if this game was promoted well enough on PC, it would sell quite a lot.

 

[cainx10a]

TB haters should be purged [/fanboy]. This guy actually makes me buy video games unlike a lot of reviewers.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

27,000 signatures =/= 27,000 guaranteed sales.
27,000 signatures may as well be none, because none of them are guarantees.

I'm not sure if you're serious, a petition isn't a census of all your potential customers.
Statistically for every moron who bother signing a petition you have *at very least* other 10 or 20 persons interested in that thing/product/whatever.

 

[Frostbite3789]

Most people own a television for some reason besides gaming, so purchasing one might not be necessary. Purchasing a HDTV certainly isn't necessary if you genuinely don't care about graphics, which is one of the reasons somebody might choose a console over a PC.

So if we assume that you already own a TV, then a new PS3 with a 160 GB hard drive will cost you $250 total.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?rlz=1C1TSNO_enUS463US464&q=ps3+price&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=746476354484601806&sa=X&ei=wd4HT46xE-ry0gGjv7SKBw&ved=0CG4Q8wIwAg

If you want a 360 with a 120 GB hardrive, plus a headset, that'll only run you $200

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1C1TSNO_enUS463US464&q=xbox+price&gs_upl=0l0l1l543l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1366&bih=667&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=16070324161299864340&sa=X&ei=SN4HT4aEKajo0QHW2emkAg&ved=0CG8Q8wIwBA

I'm not going to argue whether PCs or consoles are superior, but in my experience consoles tend to be cheaper, even when I priced individual parts. Maybe I'm using the wrong search engines, though.

When you game on an SDTV it's about much more than just graphics (which I did for years). Have you ever tried to read the text?

It makes text heavy games nigh unplayable. Mini maps and even maps, the icons are damn near impossible to read.

This goes far beyond just visuals.

And I use my computer for far more than gaming too. I think it's safe to say I use my computer for a lot more than I use my TV/console.

 

[-Samurai-]

27,000 signatures =/= 27,000 guaranteed sales.
27,000 signatures may as well be none, because none of them are guarantees.

I'm not sure if you're serious, a petition isn't a census of all your potential customers.
Statistically for every moron who bother signing a petition you have *at very least* other 10 or 20 persons interested in that thing/product/whatever.

Am I supposed to accept that as fact with no references or information on where you obtained that statistic?

I could say that for every person that wants it, there are at least 87.8 billion people that don't.