Dark Souls: Initial Thoughts
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But it's an intentional choice to give you the option to attack and kill every NPC in the game. Once killed they drop rare items for you. If it was not designed for this option there wouldn't be any items to these npcs.ghost whistler said:
It's as much an RPG as any other RPG with a linear story such as the FF franchise. Some may argue that it's not a "true" rpg because you arent completely free in your choices, but that is hard to do in computer games.
The rest of your post reads as "Why do you like what i don't like". There is an audience that likes these kinds of extremly hard and tedious games. You don't have to buy any Monster hunter, Demon Souls and Dark Souls, just stick to what you personally like.
Dark Souls is generally less tedious than the first game though. They give you free potions every time you visit a bonfire, death isn't as punishing and there are more checkpoints.
Yea I tried out class type b4 I really got settled with a starter that I like. I'm in the process of making a duel lightning cestus build tank and I'm gonna be doing backflips and shit in a Golem / Black Iron armor just because I think it'll be badass. I agree all the bosses / those knights look scary when you first see'em. Yet all most new players need to do is take slow. Then they'll soon see a pattern that they can exploit.GZGoten said:
God almighty, WE GET IT! You don't like the game. In your expert and highly sought-after opinion, it sucks. It lacks any redeeming factor. You'd rather stick a blunt knife between two random vertebrae. It is an abomination that should have never seen the light of day.ghost whistler said:
Please move on.
The game is only frustrating if you keep on trying things that don't work, time and again. The game trains you into being a better player, just like Demon's Souls did. It is a simple concept that somehow you cannot seem to grasp.
What I like the most about both titles (Demon and Dark) is that you can make the game artificially much more difficult simply by choosing suboptimal approaches. And, at the same time, it remains completely viable. This is game design at its best.
Please, don't answer this post (or any other post, in fact). Your opinion is given. We get it. Play all those games you find amazing. Go have fun, instead of trolling a game board with nonsensical armchair developer knowledge.
You say it isn't an RPG and then admit that it has DnD stats, DnD being... an RPG. Clown of the Earth here everyone.ghost whistler said:
You continuously accuse others of being smug, pretentious, and elitist, and yet you are the one here trying to dictate what we should or should not like, and what sorts of games should and should not exist. You are no different from the obnoxious punks that look down on those who like Angry Birds, or Wii Sports, or whatever. You're nothing but a sniveling hypocrite.
Oh, it's soooooo horrible when developers make a game with a certain target audience in mind, right? It's not enough for you to choose not to play it or like it. Nobody should play it, never mind like it! How dare we do so!
Seriously, quit being a whiny, entitled, sanctimonious child and grow the fuck up already.
okay, i think i have played enough to give a proper opinion:
the game is cheap, and not in the monetary sense, the enemies can see you half way across the map through walls and even if you havnt made any noise. this isnt all enemies, but its enough to be annoying.
the game can become very tedious due to the grinding required to buy the simplest of items, this isnt good game design it just needlessly extends the game length and in a game which is basically trial and error these consumables become ridiculously overpriced.
the maps are poorly designed, too many times have an arrow hit an invisible wall despite having a clear line of site.
also this game is not as open world as they have said, its open world in the same way that half-life is an open world game, you will come across the same area and find numerous shortcuts through the game (i.e doors to before) although the convenience of these is still debatable.
and now the thing i hate about this game with a passion, the co-op, or should i say the lack of a co-op, basically i knew very little about this game, but what i did know was it was a co-op game and i say numerous tags along the lines of "grab your friends" yet its impossible to actually get a co-op game going, ontop of the ridiculous limits they have put on it (similar level, same area, same server must have one human) it means your never going to get a co-op going. i have about 17 hours of play and i have summoned once and never been summoned. never seen an invade never been able to successfully invade. its ridiculous a month from now i may what a game, hit an hard part and probably be noone else playing, and yet i know my friends have copies yet we cant play with each other, its really infuriating.
also why dont i get to party chat, i have to pay for the ability to party chat i dont think the game should ba allowed to block that feature
now for some of the positive:
the game can be fun, its tense its thrilling and its vastly rewarding when you get through a hard part.
its a very addicting game,had it since Friday and i have put in a good number of hours in.
the gameplay is solid for the most part, its offers lot of customisation in terms of fighting, and it can match you style nicely.
the atmosphere and music really is great
the game is cheap, and not in the monetary sense, the enemies can see you half way across the map through walls and even if you havnt made any noise. this isnt all enemies, but its enough to be annoying.
the game can become very tedious due to the grinding required to buy the simplest of items, this isnt good game design it just needlessly extends the game length and in a game which is basically trial and error these consumables become ridiculously overpriced.
the maps are poorly designed, too many times have an arrow hit an invisible wall despite having a clear line of site.
also this game is not as open world as they have said, its open world in the same way that half-life is an open world game, you will come across the same area and find numerous shortcuts through the game (i.e doors to before) although the convenience of these is still debatable.
and now the thing i hate about this game with a passion, the co-op, or should i say the lack of a co-op, basically i knew very little about this game, but what i did know was it was a co-op game and i say numerous tags along the lines of "grab your friends" yet its impossible to actually get a co-op game going, ontop of the ridiculous limits they have put on it (similar level, same area, same server must have one human) it means your never going to get a co-op going. i have about 17 hours of play and i have summoned once and never been summoned. never seen an invade never been able to successfully invade. its ridiculous a month from now i may what a game, hit an hard part and probably be noone else playing, and yet i know my friends have copies yet we cant play with each other, its really infuriating.
also why dont i get to party chat, i have to pay for the ability to party chat i dont think the game should ba allowed to block that feature
now for some of the positive:
the game can be fun, its tense its thrilling and its vastly rewarding when you get through a hard part.
its a very addicting game,had it since Friday and i have put in a good number of hours in.
the gameplay is solid for the most part, its offers lot of customisation in terms of fighting, and it can match you style nicely.
the atmosphere and music really is great
I don't think they ever advertised open world that much. The game is more like a Metroid/Castlevania game in terms of openness more than anything else.jamiedf said:
Yeah I guess the biggest complaint I have is that the invading items being consumed on use is a bad idea... only because it's a tough time to find someone in 10% of your level AND human. Fun when it works though
I joined them yesterday, having a blast invading poor unexpected people trying to make it through blighttown.Ghostwise said:
One of the easier ways to get invaded is piss off the dark moon convenant. By killing the Princess and Gwyndolin in Anor Londo. Overall the entire area is empty, dark and perfect for PVP yet be careful because you'll have to fight the Fire Keeper there. So pretty much finish up the entire area before trying this out.Itsthefuzz said:
Well speaking as a person who has never player demons's souls , it is most likely because you know what to expect sort of , you have experience that i or any other person who hasn't played demons's souls doesn't have . That being said , i find tbe game difficult , especially since i going through it blind , and i refuse to look at walkthroughs , especially on my first playthrough , and especially with a game like this . It does annoy me that there are so many walkthroughs but hey what can you do ? People are so used to being held by the hand that a game like this is a complete turnoff without help. That being said i don't look down on people using walkthroughs but i find it a shame that they don't give the effort to play the game the way it was meant to be played . I personally looked up one thing this morning , and the answer was so fucking obvious i facepalmed ...minor spoilerZarmi said:
i got to the giants cave thinggy , found the lantern , equipped it in my right hand and nothing happened . So i was herping and derping with no light even though i had the lantern, in looked it up and behold, i was suppose to put it on my left hand instead od the sheild .i felt like a failure lol
krazykidd said:
I managed to do it easily with a heavy set of lightning resistant gear + a lightning weapon, and beating Smough first. I then just sat directly under his skinny buddy and was only ever hit by his lightning jump... which I only took about a vitality worth of damage from with my shield up (was using Havards stuff)Just make sure you have enough stamina to block it, and back up a bit when he does jump.
The only other two-hander I have found so far is the Great Ax, which is stronger but slightly slower and has less range and reach. I'm going to stick with the Zweihander because its is able to kill more people faster.Itsthefuzz said:
Also how do I upgrade it to plus 10 for weapon ascension, because I upgraded the sword with my Tinite chunk to +6, I still had more Tinite
but he wouldn't let me upgrade it further, do I need another ember?
Once you upgrade your weapon to +6 using the weapon modification menu, the weapon will be available to upgrade in the 'reinforce weapon' menu.Dansen said:
Before he comes back with more "snobbery fanboy herp derp," let's clarify that other RPG's and other games out there that aren't like Dark Souls are perfectly fine for what they are. They're just very safe in their ambitions. When people say things like Dark Souls "is a breath of fresh air" or "a nice break from the same old shit" or even "a welcome return to the good old days," they're expressing frustration with the lack of creativity when it comes to game design. For example, how many games out there have tried to do a melee combat system in the style of the Legend of Zelda? Apart from Zelda itself, not many. It's refreshing when compared to just copying the God of War "square for light attack, triangle for strong attack" style, or being one big button mashing fest like Fable.LastGreatBlasphemer said:
It's like if you were a big fan of 2D Metroidvanias back in the day and have missed the sort of experience they offer. Handheld Castlevania's and the like just aren't enough to scratch the itch for whatever reason, and then Shadow Complex comes out. You'd be overjoyed, and you would wonder why it took the industry so damn long to fill this niche. Serious Sam is the sort of game a lot of old-school fps fans are looking forward to. When's the last time a single player (ie not L4D) fps in the style of Serious Sam came out? Painkiller? This doesn't mean military fps's need to disappear altogether. Some of us just want games that cater to other forms of enjoyment that are lacking in the industry.