Dawn of Justice: "Anything less than $1 Billion Worldwide is a failure"

[Neurotic Void Melody]

It would mainly be the failiure of the marketing, more than the film itself. If you advertise something this much and it doesn't convince even the lowest functioning of our species to roll curiously down to cinema street and collectively hand over $1 billion for the pretty lights and exciting sounds; you gone done fucked up somewhere, son. But there is no way it is not going to meet that goal, this is the COD certainty. Or...Destiny? COD bounces better off the tongue.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

For what it's worth, I saw the movie this morning and it's quite good. So best of luck to them.

When you say "good", are we talking "typical Marvel movie" good, "Batman Begins" good or "this is a follow up to a middle of the road movie that people can't even agree on if it was passable or bad and this looks good by comparison" good? Because the difference could mean my seeing it or not.

Take this with a pinch of salt: it's much better than MoS, but not as good as the Nolan movies (and for all its flaws I liked TDKR).

That's... not exactly encouraging. I mean I don't hate TDKR, but it was certainly the weakest of the trilogy. And if you're saying BvS is not as good as that, it doesn't make me feel like it can do extremely well.

It's definitely not a swing vote for DC, but I liked it. Flawed as it is, it has a better sense of direction than MoS.

 

[Vanilla ISIS]

It definitely has 3 weeks of being at the #1 spot.
In the 4th week, Jungle Book comes out and that might take the spot (then again, I haven't seen much hype for that movie so maybe not).
In the 5th week, Winter's War comes out but nobody is talking about it so it probably won't do all that well.
In the 6th week, Ratchet & Clank comes out (yes, they made a movie out of that game) but there's practically no advertisement for that so it might be successful either.
In the 7th week, Captain America 3 comes out and by then, people will move on.

I would say that it will pass the $1 billion mark, I don't know by how much though.

 

[IOwnTheSpire]

Figured I should be that guy at this point, but early rotten tomatoes reviews seem to be generally unfavorable. Still pretty early and not a great sampling, but thought it is worth knowing.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_v_superman_dawn_of_justice/

Are professional critics even worth listening to at this point, instead of seeing the movie ourselves and judging accordingly?

 

[Zontar]

Are professional critics even worth listening to at this point, instead of seeing the movie ourselves and judging accordingly?

Well someone has to get the word out there for everyone else. It's very rare that there's a situation like Deadpool where I'd be happy to watch the movie even if it sucks due to the marketing being so good I've felt that even if it's bad it has earned my money.


While professional critics are of a debatable quality, ratings tend to be skewed in favour of movies, with movies being overrated being the norm in comparison to those that are underrated. Take a movie's review score by critics, take it down 10 or 15% (or in the case of Pixar, 25% by default) and you get a more accurate picture of the movie's quality.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

For the people who already saw it, how are the fight scenes? Especially the ones involving Superman. Have they figured out ways to use his power set in an interesting manner, or is it more of the same MoS "people smashing into stuff over and over and over again"

Batman steals the show with his fight scenes. One in particular is basically live-action challenge mode from the Arkham games.

 

[IOwnTheSpire]

For the people who already saw it, how are the fight scenes? Especially the ones involving Superman. Have they figured out ways to use his power set in an interesting manner, or is it more of the same MoS "people smashing into stuff over and over and over again"

Batman steals the show with his fight scenes. One in particular is basically live-action challenge mode from the Arkham games.

How was Gal Gadot?

 

[DefunctTheory]

For the people who already saw it, how are the fight scenes? Especially the ones involving Superman. Have they figured out ways to use his power set in an interesting manner, or is it more of the same MoS "people smashing into stuff over and over and over again"

Batman steals the show with his fight scenes. One in particular is basically live-action challenge mode from the Arkham games.

How was Gal Gadot?

Veering wildly off topic, does anyone think of this individual every time they see that name?

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

For the people who already saw it, how are the fight scenes? Especially the ones involving Superman. Have they figured out ways to use his power set in an interesting manner, or is it more of the same MoS "people smashing into stuff over and over and over again"

Batman steals the show with his fight scenes. One in particular is basically live-action challenge mode from the Arkham games.

Yeah I figured that, if only because the trailer had an extended fight scene with him in it. He's kind of hard to fuck up.

I'm more worried about superman

He charge attacks a lot, though the title fight is more creative than that.

For the people who already saw it, how are the fight scenes? Especially the ones involving Superman. Have they figured out ways to use his power set in an interesting manner, or is it more of the same MoS "people smashing into stuff over and over and over again"

Batman steals the show with his fight scenes. One in particular is basically live-action challenge mode from the Arkham games.

How was Gal Gadot?

Frankly she doesn't get to do a lot, she's mostly in as a formality. You could write her out and the plot would be the same.

 

[IOwnTheSpire]

Veering wildly off topic, does anyone think of this individual every time they see that name?

I never would've thought of that...

 

[JaKandDaxter]

Well more reviews are in, and Batman vs Superman is getting slammed as if its another Transformers type movie with its use of special effects.

I'm still interested in seeing it. But it may be something people will watch just once in theaters. Which as someone said earlier, is not going to help BvS reach 1 billion plus in the box office.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

I predict the movie will do between 700 and 850 million worldwide. I don't think it will make what they want.

 

[mduncan50]

Currently 34% on Rotten Tomatoes with a 5.2/10 average score. Metacritic has it at 44/100. Well that appears to have landed with all of the grace of a chunk of kryptonite.

 

[Strazdas]

Analysts are idiots.

What could they possibly need $800 million for? The marketing and production costs are half that, and those are the primary expenses.

the way it works with movies is you need budget * 2 to make even. this is because the studios only get around half of the money from box office back while the other half goes to theaters, taxes, ect. so you need to have American box office twice the budget. And i specify american here because the overseas distribution is handled by other companies and as a result they actually get very small percentage of the foreign box office.


Of course we should probably account for the money laundering that happens in hollywood accounting and the real expenses budget is probably a bit smaller.

Analysts... almost always worthless and almost always less accurate than a coin flip. Forgettable assholes to a man/woman. Remember Michael Pachter?

Funny thing, Muchael Patchers predictions came out true 50% of the time (like literally exactly 50%) which, given the predictions being quite specific is a very large number and far better than random. Pachter was more right than most people give him credit for.

Are professional critics even worth listening to at this point, instead of seeing the movie ourselves and judging accordingly?

my experience with rottentomatoes is that if that site hated it - ill love it.

Currently 34% on Rotten Tomatoes with a 5.2/10 average score. Metacritic has it at 44/100. Well that appears to have landed with all of the grace of a chunk of kryptonite.

doesnt matter, the public loved it. 9.0 on IMDB [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2975590/reference]

 

[mduncan50]

Analysts are idiots.

What could they possibly need $800 million for? The marketing and production costs are half that, and those are the primary expenses.

the way it works with movies is you need budget * 2 to make even. this is because the studios only get around half of the money from box office back while the other half goes to theaters, taxes, ect. so you need to have American box office twice the budget. And i specify american here because the overseas distribution is handled by other companies and as a result they actually get very small percentage of the foreign box office.


Of course we should probably account for the money laundering that happens in hollywood accounting and the real expenses budget is probably a bit smaller.

Analysts... almost always worthless and almost always less accurate than a coin flip. Forgettable assholes to a man/woman. Remember Michael Pachter?

Funny thing, Muchael Patchers predictions came out true 50% of the time (like literally exactly 50%) which, given the predictions being quite specific is a very large number and far better than random. Pachter was more right than most people give him credit for.

Are professional critics even worth listening to at this point, instead of seeing the movie ourselves and judging accordingly?

my experience with rottentomatoes is that if that site hated it - ill love it.

Currently 34% on Rotten Tomatoes with a 5.2/10 average score. Metacritic has it at 44/100. Well that appears to have landed with all of the grace of a chunk of kryptonite.

doesnt matter, the public loved it. 9.0 on IMDB [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2975590/reference]

Agree with basically everything except the IMDB thing. That's a really high score for a movie that hasn't even seen a full release yet. I'd hold off until Monday and see what the scores level off at.

The IMDB score was there last week. The public doesn't love it. Fanboys have decided it's great, whether it is or not.