DC Rebirth Closes New 52, Brings back pre-Flashpoint.

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Benpasko

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Also, seconded for the Rorschach/Batman cross-over, those two are MADE for each other :p
It would be a terrible crossover, imo. There's no way the two could EVER get along, and in a confrontation Rorschach would have no chance. I got the impression any of the other Watchmen could probably kick his ass, against Batman he would just get wrecked. Like, in Watchmen Rorschach doesn't out-fight very many people, he just has them shitting their pants and too afraid to even fight back. And that plan doesn't really work out against Batman.
 

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Benpasko said:
Diablo1099 said:
Also, seconded for the Rorschach/Batman cross-over, those two are MADE for each other :p
It would be a terrible crossover, imo. There's no way the two could EVER get along, and in a confrontation Rorschach would have no chance. I got the impression any of the other Watchmen could probably kick his ass, against Batman he would just get wrecked. Like, in Watchmen Rorschach doesn't out-fight very many people, he just has them shitting their pants and too afraid to even fight back. And that plan doesn't really work out against Batman.
Well, I was more thinking it would be more like when he worked with Calendar Man in the Long Halloween or something like that.
I'd really like to see how they interact, seeing how Rorschach is basically a hobo version of Batman.
Besides, I know for a fact that Rorschach wouldn't win, nearly all the DC heroes have stupidly high power scaling or the like
 

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Well I've sort of checked out of DC except for the continuing adventures of Renne Montoya, currently better Batman than Batman.

So I can just shrug and hope things don't get screwed up that I'm still paying passing attention to.
 

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Wait, The Watchmen are apart of the DC franchise??? I mean I do know the characters in Watchmen are parody of the DC characters but since he didn't get the right, he did his own version of them.


Also to Dr Manhatten, really? You created a superheroes universe that is far more chaotic than the one you in? Ok sure he may not be awared of his creation but still.
 
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The Titans are getting redesigns for DC Rebirth. I think they all look much better. Hated Kid Flash's silver costume and I have no idea why they made Beast Boy red. Hated everything about Raven's New 52 design.
Back in green!
Not much change here.
Really love her hair.
Love that lightning bolt in his hair
Is it me, or does she look gothier than usual? I love it!
 

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I don't even care anymore. Rebirth sound horrible in general for the most part. Oh well. As long as this doesn't mess up Aquaman, I don't think I will care. Aquaman is the only DC book I am reading right now and it is awesome (except Cullen Bunn's dreadfully horrible run... thank god he left since it got better almost instantly after he left.) As long as it doesn't affect the current Aquaman stories, I will just go with whatever at this point. Mostly because no matter how many good moments Aquaman might have had before Flashpoint, the New 52 version of the character is clearly the best version of the character hands down. Also, as long as it doesn't derail the Rise of the Seven Seas event later this year, DC could kill everyone else and it wouldn't get more than an eye roll from me at this point. That is the only thing I am looking forward to right now. XD
 

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The reboot is getting retconned because people whinged about it. I assume the handful of stuff that people liked about the New 52 will be incorporated into the old continuity along with all the other stuff that people didn't complain too hard about despite being logically inconsistent on several levels. In a few years it'll get re-rebooted anyway so who cares.

...this is why comic book storytelling is shit on a macro scale.
 
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Some more redesigns
I'm not sure if this is Clark Kent or Clark White, either way he looks much better. Glad he ditched the armor.
...Meh. I still think she looks better in pants.
Love it. Love everything about it.
I liked his New 52 design better.
So, she's no longer Power Ring, huh? I'm kind of dissapointed.
Superboy looks adorable, but I hate his jeans. Now all we need his Wonder Woman's son/daughter!
 

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As a massive DC Comics fan, as in unlike most 29 year old millennials I read the comics as a child (I read the entire Knightfall saga as a kid, it's how I got into reading, period) and I still get my monthly issue of Batgirl, Detective Comics, Batman, Superman and for a while Batman and Superman (before it became stupid- thanks New 52!), I actually welcome whatever they can do to get this shit back to what it was before 2011.

While Batgirl was the true fantastic New 52 in my eyes (it and Batman Eternal), the rest was needlessly violent and grim. It's legitimately what I feel leaked into the movies, with gore and sex everywhere and characters becoming unlikable or just not fun to read. Oh hi Starfire and your nude body in every. ****ing. PANEL!

Is it odd that they're planning to use Dr M (spoilers just in case) to do this, when those characters were NEVER a true part of DC? Sure, but anything to get the original pre-Flashpoint continuity back into place, the better. Alan Moore and his gross beard be damned!
 
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RebornKusabi said:
While Batgirl was the true fantastic New 52 in my eyes (it and Batman Eternal), the rest was needlessly violent and grim. It's legitimately what I feel leaked into the movies, with gore and sex everywhere and characters becoming unlikable or just not fun to read. Oh hi Starfire and your nude body in every. ****ing. PANEL!
Even Burnside Batgirl? Couldn't stand it after Simone left. I'm glad the writer and artist are changing for Rebirth. And, yeah, Starfire's gratuitous nudity and sexual activity was really something else. With Todd and Harper of all people.
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Guess whose back in blue! Red Arrow/Arsenal/Speedy, Tempest (I think?), and Donna Troy are looking good. The green one is apparently called Lilith. No idea who she is, but she's got some... proportion issues?
 

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Dammit, I hate it when comics do this and feel the need to do that whole continuity adjustment thing. I lost interest in marvel comics after the most recent secret war and have not read any post-flashpoint DC comics.

Are they really looking to try to kill off Superman again? No, just no. DC, you do not get to do that. Nobody thinks you will keep that promise, you blew your load in that one already and we will not be fooled again that you mean it this time.
 

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Are they really looking to try to kill off Superman again? No, just no. DC, you do not get to do that. Nobody thinks you will keep that promise, you blew your load in that one already and we will not be fooled again that you mean it this time.
Actually, they've un-killed a former Superman, so now there are two Supermans.

It would be difficult, if not impossible, to re-kill not-Superman again.


K12 said:
The reboot is getting retconned because people whinged about it. I assume the handful of stuff that people liked about the New 52 will be incorporated into the old continuity along with all the other stuff that people didn't complain too hard about despite being logically inconsistent on several levels. In a few years it'll get re-rebooted anyway so who cares.

...this is why comic book storytelling is shit on a macro scale.
this is essentially what's happening.

The New 52 led to a massive short-term sales increase, which was what DC wanted, but it dropped off once the poor quality of most titles outweighed reader curiosity. Then DC tried this not-reboot called DC You, which I actually think was great - it led to a lot of off-beat, suprisingly good comics like Grayson, Omega Men, and Prez - not to mention a crazy arc where Superman lost his flight and had to ride around on a blue-and-red motorbike, and Jim Gordon replaced a missing Bruce as Batman and ran around in a police-built Bat-Mecha.

But despite all that kinda-crazy kinda-awesome stuff, it didn't get reader's attention the same way the New 52 did - probably because doing two reboots within a few years of each other put a bad taste in people's mouths - so they pulled this Convergence event, which I still don't understand, and now they're basically rolling back on all the New 52 stuff that people didn't like and spent four years complaining about, very vocally.

So if anything, this shows that DC has been listening to the recommendations/anguished wailing of their eternally-displeased internet fanbase, and is attempting to pull out the good New 52 stuff, shed the bad, and go back to the status quo before Flashpoint. It's not a terrible move, it's not the move I'd make - I think they should just stick to their guns and focus on making the New 52 better instead of taking this shotgun-style approach to quality control where they shoot everything out and keep whatever hits the mark - but it's aimed at pleasing the fans and at the very least, Superman won't have a Hitler-Youth style raised collar anymore.

Although they recoloured his red boots to blue, which is...ehh. Is it hypocritical for me to chastise the fanbase for nit-picking condemnations and then complain about his boot colour? It probably is. I don't care. His boots looked better in red. (then he can tap his heels and go back to Kansas! hahaha recycling a joke from BvS...new low)
 
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jademunky said:
Dammit, I hate it when comics do this and feel the need to do that whole continuity adjustment thing. I lost interest in marvel comics after the most recent secret war.
Did Secret War do anything other than get rid of the Ultimate line and bring Miles Morales over to 616?
 

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Captain Marvelous said:
jademunky said:
Dammit, I hate it when comics do this and feel the need to do that whole continuity adjustment thing. I lost interest in marvel comics after the most recent secret war.
Did Secret War do anything other than get rid of the Ultimate line and bring Miles Morales over to 616?
Far as I can tell, that is the only major permanent change. Dr. Doom got his face back and the Fantastic Four are missing (or had been missing, I dunno).
 

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I think DC is floundering harder than an actual flounder. On a tightrope. After a three-day tequila bender. (Yes, we made a fish drink tequila just to push this analogy. Happy?)

Look, it's long been more than a little laughable that any superhero comic book continuity was worthy of the name. Characters who fought in World War II suddenly fought in Vietnam, or Desert Storm. Ridiculous science-fiction technology is made obsolete by real-world consumer technology. Multiple characters take on the same moniker across multiple timelines, multiple worlds, multiple universes. The few people who can actually track everything begin to sound so geeky that other geeks shy away from them... It's like knowing the entire story of the Trojan War, except that Achilles might be replaced by his own clone before his fatal battle and then show up post-mortem along with a younger cyber-enhanced Achilles Prime. Largely because Homer turned a few verses over to an apprentice with a thing for hallucinogenic mushrooms.

But to be pushing for another major revision this soon begins to look clumsy and desperate even on those terms. Either there's some serious meddling going on with the creatives at DC, or there's a painful lack of leadership, or both. And after the [politely] "mixed" reception of their tentpole film, my money's on option three.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Well that depends is the post-Final Crisis, pre-Flashpoint universe any better or worse then the New 52 itself?

Also DR MANHATTEN EXISTS IN THE MAINSTREAM DC UNIVERESE?

SO WATCHMEN EXISTS IN THE SAME SPACE AS SUPERMAN, BATMAN, AND WONDER WOMAN?!

Well fuck it I demand a Batman comic where Rorshach is his villain :p
I demand a Rorshach comic where Batman is the villain!
 

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I'm glad the new 52 is finally over. Too many characters acting like dicks instead of heroes, and the son of batman thing actively pissed me off. It always felt like they were focusing on the wrongs things to try and invigorate the new stories while squandering what few good ideas they had. The only thing I really liked was the banter between green lantern and batman in the justice league war movie.

I really hope the Watchmen thing is just speculation; every time DC has tried to bring in characters from standalone stories it always fails miserably. Although I agree that Rorschach and Batman would make an epic pairing.

I don't know, maybe I'm just sick of DC's desperate bullshit attempts to get more money.
 

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So... Watchmen is part of the DC Universe now? Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out.