DC Says One Of Its"Iconic" Heroes Is Gay
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This is a really good post, and I agree with you.Kpt._Rob said:
I think Superman being gay would be a pretty interesting concept to read.
Knowing that they have access to the Wildstorm and Milestone characters, it is a pretty good cheat to say that the iconic character might come from those lines. My money is on Midnighter, someone that is already out before that.
Nothing to see here, folks. Just another PR stunt. Move along, move along.
Seriously, I don't really care at all and the need to make it some kind of big news deal is just same amounts of silly and sad.
Edit: Just thought I'd note, I'm mainly referring to DC and their need to make it big.
Seriously, I don't really care at all and the need to make it some kind of big news deal is just same amounts of silly and sad.
Edit: Just thought I'd note, I'm mainly referring to DC and their need to make it big.
Agreed. For a shapeshifting psychic alien...why would he be hetero or at least exclusively hetero anyways?
I parrot hoping it's not Aquaman. Never in the history of anything has something as overall meaningless as a crappy 70's cartoon done more random damage to a 70 year old property. And of course the herd think that got it to spread beyond the relatively paltry number of folks that actually watched it.
I parrot hoping it's not Aquaman. Never in the history of anything has something as overall meaningless as a crappy 70's cartoon done more random damage to a 70 year old property. And of course the herd think that got it to spread beyond the relatively paltry number of folks that actually watched it.
Seriously. I just don't understand how that show has such an effect. It's not like it was Timmverse quality or anything. Heck it took Timm and 30 years to even make SOME elements of that show palatable. It really was terrible even against the backdrop of contemporary DC comics and their relative wackiness.xedobubble said:
For me, it's like Hank Pym. More modern takes (Marvel Zombies, Ultimates, etc) make Pym into a psychotic wife abuser, when he hit Janet exactly once and it wasn't even supposed to be an intentional strike by the writer at the time. Maybe that was once too many to ever be forgiven for it, but it's sad that's like the only thing he gets remembered for.
Well, pederasty aside, I'd say Batman is the least likely target considering it would basically ruin Catwoman and Poison Ivy. I'm not that familiar with comics, but it seems to me that the Batman series deals with heterosexual intrigue a bit more than any of the others. Maybe the subconscious reason for this is that Batman is just a man and not supernatural, and thus more susceptible to temptations of the flesh. That could lead to a rather interesting Judeo-Christian/Manichean/Gnostic reading of comic books. Sure, Superman, Spiderman and other heroes are tempted to be lax in their duties by familial and romantic relations, but with Batman the temptation often seems to be carnal. It probably ties into the whole Gothic theme.Waaghpowa said:
This is why I prefer Batman, his stories always had a lot more going on psychologically. That and he has the best villains... and the fact that he relies upon intellect rather than powers... and, of course, the fact that he occasionally whips out Kryptonite and proceeds to beat Superman's arrogant ass.
WHO IT PROBABLY WILL BE: Aquaman
WHO IT SHOULD BE: Wonder Woman
WHO I WANT IT TO BE: Green Arrow
In all seriousness, I don't want them to just say, "it's Aquaman." I know what I'm about to say is very obvious, but Superfriends may have been the most damaging thing to ever happen to the character in his history. Aquaman hasn't been a joke, "oh he's only effective underwater, and even then he's just going to summon whales," character in about 40 years. The ways he's been used in Justice League and Justice League Unlimited (and from what I know, I realize that's how Namor the Sub-Mariner, at his most heroic, is depicted) or at the very least Batman: The Brave and the Bold is how I've always thought he should be portrayed.
Personally I think it'd be a huge curveball if they either lied and reveal it as Wonder Woman in the book or if it ends up being Flash. Wondie just makes the most sense to be a lesbian. Living on an island full of smoking hot women who are all into bondage and that no man can ever visit? Come on, that just makes sense...in kind of a silly, comic book way, but baby steps. Oh wait, I take that back, they gave her Cassandra Sandsmark's backstory in the reboot. Yes, instead of the very good, "baby made of clay given life by the greek gods," backstory, they gave her the backstory of her former sidekick. If I were to go out on a limb and say, "this is who I think it should be," I think I'd go with Green Arrow. Personally I think permenantly ending any sort of romantic relationship between him and Black Canary would be a big help toward getting both characters back on track. You can jokingly have him flirt with Canary, I've got no problem with that, but really, no romantic stuff. Reason being, when was the last time Green Arrow was in a good comic? I'd guess back when they teamed him up with Hal Jordan. As a final note, I think getting Arrow's name back out there would not only be a good move, but a recognition move, especially since everyone's now pretty aware of Marvel's superhero who uses a bow and arrow as his primary weapon. [http://marvel.wikia.com/Clinton_Barton_(Earth-616)] Green Arrow is really not a hard concept to nail down to begin with, he's Robin Hood with Bruce Wayne's resources. Add in this, and you might actually have a really interesting character. Arrow also hasn't had a ton of exposure either and this might be good for his name recognition.
WHO IT SHOULD BE: Wonder Woman
WHO I WANT IT TO BE: Green Arrow
In all seriousness, I don't want them to just say, "it's Aquaman." I know what I'm about to say is very obvious, but Superfriends may have been the most damaging thing to ever happen to the character in his history. Aquaman hasn't been a joke, "oh he's only effective underwater, and even then he's just going to summon whales," character in about 40 years. The ways he's been used in Justice League and Justice League Unlimited (and from what I know, I realize that's how Namor the Sub-Mariner, at his most heroic, is depicted) or at the very least Batman: The Brave and the Bold is how I've always thought he should be portrayed.
Personally I think it'd be a huge curveball if they either lied and reveal it as Wonder Woman in the book or if it ends up being Flash. Wondie just makes the most sense to be a lesbian. Living on an island full of smoking hot women who are all into bondage and that no man can ever visit? Come on, that just makes sense...in kind of a silly, comic book way, but baby steps. Oh wait, I take that back, they gave her Cassandra Sandsmark's backstory in the reboot. Yes, instead of the very good, "baby made of clay given life by the greek gods," backstory, they gave her the backstory of her former sidekick. If I were to go out on a limb and say, "this is who I think it should be," I think I'd go with Green Arrow. Personally I think permenantly ending any sort of romantic relationship between him and Black Canary would be a big help toward getting both characters back on track. You can jokingly have him flirt with Canary, I've got no problem with that, but really, no romantic stuff. Reason being, when was the last time Green Arrow was in a good comic? I'd guess back when they teamed him up with Hal Jordan. As a final note, I think getting Arrow's name back out there would not only be a good move, but a recognition move, especially since everyone's now pretty aware of Marvel's superhero who uses a bow and arrow as his primary weapon. [http://marvel.wikia.com/Clinton_Barton_(Earth-616)] Green Arrow is really not a hard concept to nail down to begin with, he's Robin Hood with Bruce Wayne's resources. Add in this, and you might actually have a really interesting character. Arrow also hasn't had a ton of exposure either and this might be good for his name recognition.
I agree wholeheartedly with this article. One one hand it's great that they're doing this. Having a superhero that's like "he kicks ass, and also just happens to like other men" would be amazing. On the other hand, in the wake of Obama and Marvel, it feels like a publicity stunt. Welcome to the 21st century finally, you three.
Although coming to the party late is better than not showing at all, I guess.
My money is on Batman. Everyone who knows anything about comics-- and several people who don't-- know that he and Robin are absolutely fucking.
I don't think it can be Superman, it's pretty much law that he was meant to be with Lois Lane.
If it's Aquaman, well...eh.
Although coming to the party late is better than not showing at all, I guess.
My money is on Batman. Everyone who knows anything about comics-- and several people who don't-- know that he and Robin are absolutely fucking.
I don't think it can be Superman, it's pretty much law that he was meant to be with Lois Lane.
If it's Aquaman, well...eh.
An iconic superhero? None come to mind. And I don't give two shits that will sprout wings and take me to the heavens - and if I did, I'd probably see my doctor about it.
But, joking aside *brick thrown through window* expect that one, I'm not sure. Honestly, I don't really care. I mean, I guess he/she'd be more relatable, but when someone can mind-control/possess super-strength/gifted with magic/science/something else dumb and unexplained, they're pretty much unrelatable at that point.
But, joking aside *brick thrown through window* expect that one, I'm not sure. Honestly, I don't really care. I mean, I guess he/she'd be more relatable, but when someone can mind-control/possess super-strength/gifted with magic/science/something else dumb and unexplained, they're pretty much unrelatable at that point.
Green Arrow goes out with Black Canary, and know as a womanizer, so he is most likely out. The batgirls have been known to date the Robin's, Cyborg I don't know much about, and Wonder Woman has been in a relationship, although I am not sure how much that is canon after the reboot.J03bot said:
Wonder Woman is my best bet because she was influenced by the bisexual wife of WW's creator, comes from an island without me, and comics have always shot for playing to perverted desires more than anything else.
I'm not sure which, I mean.. If you think about it, every single hero has been given a love interest in that picture, right? They had to, specifically to establish that they were -not- gay. So it's going to take a lot of backtracking to establish that that relationship was either a farce, or before the person discovered themselves.
Uggh, strangely another example of a weirdly pervasive trope derived from a single showing flavoring everything that comes after. IE Dark Knight Returns.ReiverCorrupter said:
If we were to lay it out, the first DC character that would pop into your mind with the word "arrogant" PROBABLY wouldn't be Big Blue. You know, the guy that happily plays a bumbling fool to safeguard the people he loves. I'm gonna throw out there that guessing Batman however would win you Family Feud. You know what with his plans to kill his fellow good guys constantly getting stolen by bad guys.
Everyone gets stupid around Batman now because all those teenagers that read DKR have grown up now to be the writers. One of the few exceptions being Morrison, but he made Aquaman cool so maybe coolness need not be a zero sum game or a pissing contest like most other writers make it. I say this for the obvious notion that the big thing about DKR regarding the World's Finest was that Superman was stumped by Batman's various gambits. It's really too bad Superman to that point in their lives hadn't faced down motivated, super rich and super intelligent humans that wanted nothing more to humble him (if not murder his ass) for like literally decades...oh wait.
The fact Superman had to have his "I created a crosstime/cross dimension computer" level intellect eliminated to carve out a niche for Batman is telling. The same character (albeit different iteration) who in CoIE was relegated to basically PRAYING for the day to be saved. Funny how things change I guess.
$5 says it's Batman.
But still, bleh. Why mix sexuality into it at all? It's going to be pretty much impossible for the "coming-out comic" to be done in any way that's both tasteful and not horrendously intrusive.
But still, bleh. Why mix sexuality into it at all? It's going to be pretty much impossible for the "coming-out comic" to be done in any way that's both tasteful and not horrendously intrusive.