Dead Teen Sued for Flying Body Parts

[Gevas]

Seems to be two major camps here:

A: This situation is tragic, woman is a (insert 4 letter word) for taking advantage of the family.

B: Wow, dumb kid; too bad he didn't get himself killed in a way that didn't hurt anyone else.

(Letter of the law agrees with B, being stupid doesn't prevent you from being responsible)

Personally I agree with the sentiment that as long as she's just covering her bills, I'm ok with what she's doing. Personally, I'd probably try to do something out of court; 'Oh hey, this is really expensive, but since your son died I'll cover what I can, but I really do need help here.'

Also, not liking America doesn't change what it is; just like me not liking bigoted text doesn't keep it from being posted.

 

[Bassik]

I find it quite shocking to see how many people are defending the woman in this. Has the sue culture in the United States gone so far as to completely shit on common decency and humanity?
A stupid 18 year old kid died, and people blame him for being stupid. Hey, guess what: ALL 18 year olds are stupid.
Can you imagine finding out your child died, then getting sued by a bystander who was hit by flying body parts, and THEN finding out people condemn your son for taking a stupid risk?

You guys need help.

Well, it wouldn't happen here, because we don't get charged obscene amounts of money for healthcare. Did you not stop to think that maybe the woman needed the money? We can't all just say "Well, the kid DID die, so I don't really NEED this treatment..."

Stop being ridiculous. And he's an adult. Not a kid. Your adult son runs in front of a train and BREAKS A WOMAN'S WRIST AND LEG with the consequences of his actions, then you had better expect some god-damn consequences. I don't care if the occupants of the car that rear-ended me were killed, I've busted some pretty important bones, and now I can't bloody move. And in America, I can't afford the treatment.

Your country needs help.

Our country is doing fine, this thread isn't even about anything remotely related to the Netherlands. Where did that comment come from? An ironic reply to my post? But it doesn't make any sense. Did I hurt your national pride? Sorry man.

Only it seems kind of funny that you come with an example were you get rammed by a car and everybody but you dies, so you have to sue someone because you can't afford the treatment because you are in America, and then you tell me my country needs help.

But whatever.

 

[tsb247]

I hate to be 'that guy' but how the hell do you get hit by a train? (Helen Keller exempted) It's not like it's going to jump out from behind a tree and chase you

One must always be on guard for stealth ninja trains. They are 100,000 tons of death that you will never see or hear before they stampede all over you.

 

[Marsell]

I hate my species.
I wish I was born a tiger.

 

[Thyunda]

I find it quite shocking to see how many people are defending the woman in this. Has the sue culture in the United States gone so far as to completely shit on common decency and humanity?
A stupid 18 year old kid died, and people blame him for being stupid. Hey, guess what: ALL 18 year olds are stupid.
Can you imagine finding out your child died, then getting sued by a bystander who was hit by flying body parts, and THEN finding out people condemn your son for taking a stupid risk?

You guys need help.

Well, it wouldn't happen here, because we don't get charged obscene amounts of money for healthcare. Did you not stop to think that maybe the woman needed the money? We can't all just say "Well, the kid DID die, so I don't really NEED this treatment..."

Stop being ridiculous. And he's an adult. Not a kid. Your adult son runs in front of a train and BREAKS A WOMAN'S WRIST AND LEG with the consequences of his actions, then you had better expect some god-damn consequences. I don't care if the occupants of the car that rear-ended me were killed, I've busted some pretty important bones, and now I can't bloody move. And in America, I can't afford the treatment.

Your country needs help.

Our country is doing fine, this thread isn't even about anything remotely related to the Netherlands. Where did that comment come from? An ironic reply to my post? But it doesn't make any sense. Did I hurt your national pride? Sorry man.

Only it seems kind of funny that you come with an example were you get rammed by a car and everybody but you dies, so you have to sue someone because you can't afford the treatment because you are in America, and then you tell me my country needs help.

But whatever.

Honestly, it was a general post at America. I don't look into every member's background on the off-chance I might argue with them. The Netherlands is pretty good at this, though, from what I hear.

Now, care to come up with an actual argument?

 

[Vegosiux]

Yeah it would be a "way to kick the parents while they're down" but given the manner in which he died, I'd say the money is restitution for raising such a STUPID kid. Still, I wouldn't sue for anything more than the actual medical costs (wouldn't need therapy cause I'm already crazy), unless they were rich.

You know, with a more user friendly healthcare system, she wouldn't have to sue anyone for the medical costs.

But really, I'm not surprised, after all, reading around these forums, callous seems the new cool.

 

[Thyunda]

america, the country of unlimited impossibilities

srsly, stuff like that is almost always coming from overseas, the country in the middle of the north american continent to be specific.

i mean, japanese may think that women who take the lead in a sexual relationship/interaction may turn men gay, but you never hear shit like some crazy old witch sueing a DEAD teen whose effing bodyparts flew through the air from anywhere else (except maybe china, their gouvernment is batshit crazy, but fucking look at what's going there! and then maybe compare...). holy whack-a-moley.
and her only worries are her broken some bone and another broken some bone different.
...
......
and courts say she's right??

wtf?! now i cannot decide who is crazier. damn.

Is there a reason why she shouldn't be allowed to take money from the dead man's estate to cover the medical costs he incurred by being a daft twat?

 

[Dango]

No. I don't care if her bones were broken or if she was seriously injured, you do not sue a person, or the family of a person specifically because they are dead.

 

[Vegosiux]

Is there a reason why she shouldn't be allowed to take money from the dead man's estate to cover the medical costs he incurred by being a daft twat?

Well, there being no reason against it doesn't make something any less distasteful. I mean, there's no reason to not eat poo...except that it, quite literally, tastes like itself.

This incident is just another one of those images society can see when someone holds up a mirror up to it. It's the consequence of a system that doesn't work well. I don't know. I can't wrap my mind around it, I keep getting this "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" thing whenever something like this happens.

 

[tsb247]

I find it quite shocking to see how many people are defending the woman in this. Has the sue culture in the United States gone so far as to completely shit on common decency and humanity?
A stupid 18 year old kid died, and people blame him for being stupid. Hey, guess what: ALL 18 year olds are stupid.
Can you imagine finding out your child died, then getting sued by a bystander who was hit by flying body parts, and THEN finding out people condemn your son for taking a stupid risk?

You guys need help.

Well, it wouldn't happen here, because we don't get charged obscene amounts of money for healthcare. Did you not stop to think that maybe the woman needed the money? We can't all just say "Well, the kid DID die, so I don't really NEED this treatment..."

Stop being ridiculous. And he's an adult. Not a kid. Your adult son runs in front of a train and BREAKS A WOMAN'S WRIST AND LEG with the consequences of his actions, then you had better expect some god-damn consequences. I don't care if the occupants of the car that rear-ended me were killed, I've busted some pretty important bones, and now I can't bloody move. And in America, I can't afford the treatment.

Your country needs help.

Our country is doing fine, this thread isn't even about anything remotely related to the Netherlands. Where did that comment come from? An ironic reply to my post? But it doesn't make any sense. Did I hurt your national pride? Sorry man.

Only it seems kind of funny that you come with an example were you get rammed by a car and everybody but you dies, so you have to sue someone because you can't afford the treatment because you are in America, and then you tell me my country needs help.

But whatever.

I will venture this question then...

How is the woman in this story not entitled to compensation for injuries sustained as a result of the stupidity of the deceased? Why should she have to pay for medical expenses that she would not have incurred otherwise?

I also think you misunderstand what, "suing for compensation from the estate of the deceased," means. She can go after his money - NOT that of his parents!

 

[Thyunda]

Is there a reason why she shouldn't be allowed to take money from the dead man's estate to cover the medical costs he incurred by being a daft twat?

Well, there being no reason against it doesn't make something any less distasteful. I mean, there's no reason to not eat poo...except that it, quite literally, tastes like itself.

This incident is just another one of those images society can see when someone holds up a mirror up to it. It's the consequence of a system that doesn't work well. I don't know. I can't wrap my mind around it, I keep getting this "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" thing whenever something like this happens.

But there are more reasons TO do it than reasons against. There is one reason against. "Have pity for the family."
And over a thousand reasons why you should sue in this case. Because you NEED the money being the least of them.

But yes. I agree. It's a ridiculous system where somebody has to sue a dead man's family to cover injuries that the state really ought to cover.

 

[RagTagBand]

The lawsuit is absolutely right. It's by no means a very orthodox case in the details but the basics are pretty straightforward

Someone was injured, severely might I add, through the actions of another. The injured party not only has a broken leg and wrist but will be at a financial loss through absolutely no fault of their own. They do not deserve to be lumped with large medical bills for injuries someone else caused.

If they were injured by a drunk driver you best believe they'd sue the driver. If the drunk driver dies in the crash it is absolutely ABSURD to suggest that the injured party should just shrug their shoulders (if able) and not seek compensation. They're still injured, it's still not their fault and it could still cost them thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars.

The injured party is right to seek financial compensation for the injuries they've suffered at the hand of someone else's stupidity, recklessness and dangerous behavior. To think that some people here are suggesting this lady should be PUNISHED for shit someone else has done to her underlines my long held belief that there are a large number of people on this site who are nothing but fucking idiots.

Some people are suggesting the state should cover the costs, which is sort of okay, but I'm not sure why completely unrelated innocent people should have to pay (ie taxpayers). A child is a parents responsibility, for their next child they should probably teach them not to run in front of trains.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Its reasonable. he ran acorss the train tracks, thats a quite foreseeable death. Now if he was pushed, I dont think he'd be at fault.

 

[Makhiel]

I would understand if something happened to the passengers of the train and they sued, because the guy had control over jumping in front of the train. But the court saying it's okay to sue for this is kinda saying he had control over which direction his body parts flew. What if I got hit by a dead duck, do I sue the hunter who shot it?

 

[Vegosiux]

I know I know its insane but then again what do you expect from a country where the majority believes that free healthcare is equal to communism.

Well yes, I expect exactly stuff like that...

 

[tsb247]

Yeah it would be a "way to kick the parents while they're down" but given the manner in which he died, I'd say the money is restitution for raising such a STUPID kid. Still, I wouldn't sue for anything more than the actual medical costs (wouldn't need therapy cause I'm already crazy), unless they were rich.

You know, with a more user friendly healthcare system, she wouldn't have to sue anyone for the medical costs.

But really, I'm not surprised, after all, reading around these forums, callous seems the new cool.

There are two sides to that though.

How is it any less callous to say the following:

"If she's weak enough to break a bone from that kind of incident, then she wasn't taking good care of herself and therefore in not entitled to any money for her injuries."

In the end, it doesn't matter whether or not the 18 year old man died or not. Either way, she is still entitled to help with her medical expenses since she was injured because of his actions.

EDIT: I do understand your post though given the post you were responding to when I posted my response.

 

[Mathak]

Yes, the system sucks. Yes, it should be changed.

But y'know, while it's still sucky, wouldn't it be nice if random people don't have to get kicked penniless onto the streets because some idiot thought he'd win a game of chicken with a train?

Thankfully, for once, the courts seem to take the sensible position here.