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M-E-D The Poet

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urprobablyright said:
Look, as hack'ish as it was the OP was imparting the point - or at least, hinting at a point that he might have stumbled across - that the internet empowers all of us to give our opinions to people on the other side of the world, that this was not the case a decade and a half ago, and that we need to realize that although our voices have grown louder the world is no less smaller.

I don't know if the OP thinks this himself or not (I can't read bad poetry if it's in published literature, let alone amateur poetry on a forum) but the fact is that no matter how good the technology becomes which brings us together, we will never truly be together and we will never have an impact.

It's deceptively easy to have an impact though - just apply for and get in to a position with a group that does get listened to, even if you have to study/work hard to get the chance to work there.
ehm people my OP wasn't a poem, I am a poet yes but my OP wasn't a poem
For a serious swing at my poetry :



The hum of home

The distinct humming in the distance
That forces your mind to comply
You feel like you're in a movie scene
But you know this is reality
So surreal you feel like mind and body have separated

There you doze of in the middle of the street
As the man on the corner picks up his guitar
And starts humming the tune that you followed
His capo breaks the moment you wake

As he stands there trying to figure out
What happened and why his guitar is so out of tune
You rise to your feet
For somewhere in the distance someone is humming again
And you walk and run
Trying to catch up

Someone should be taping you
Your mind dwindles
Where you fall asleep against the lamppost
As a woman sits by her broken heart
Whistling and humming a distinct tune

When she stands up and picks up a locket cast away
A baby is heard crying
You in your dream stay for days
Locked in the woman's faithful gaze
 

M-E-D The Poet

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SaikyoKid said:
M-E-D The Poet said:
well more or less that your opinion is not fact, and you should not treat it as fact.

And

That whether or not you hate something does not mean you have to shove that in everyones face
Ahh, this makes it a little easier to grasp then. And honestly it's something I can stand behind too. Life'd be MUCH easier if everyone just told people of the things they loved and opted to keep quiet on things they hated. Unfortunately, we're living in reality and telling people to quit it doesn't do much more than spread said hate. I personally say live by example and ignore any haters on anything and instead look at everything with a smile.

M-E-D The Poet said:
do you think being ill is good?

You are mistaken in my point

the point is that good is subjective

Yes even when it comes to quality

for example take the southpark episode wherein they make fun of everything the older generation listens to sounds shit to children and vise versa

To the older generation in this scenario "The Police" was a good band, and "tween wave" is garbage, to the kids " The police" is the worst thing ever created and "tween wave" is awesome

What you think is good and what I think is good depends completely on our personal view

But when millions of people say something is good then by that standard it is good because millions ofpeople will partake in said following
I will say, however, that you should be very careful when following this kind of logic. I believe what you're saying here is that mob mentality automatically makes something subjectively good, or bad if that's what the mob says, and that is usually not the case. I say a few expert opinions outweighs a whole lot of voices of those who aren't for many, MANY subjects.
Yes, and I understand that.
But therein lies that when the mob scandalizes the name of something and in said logic that becoming good, Does not mean that the mob is doing the right or good thing (But this is a completely different concept of good)

The thing about the word good is that it's ALWAYS subjective, whether it's good quality or Good VS Evil
Who is to say what is good and what is evil, who is to say something is of good quality
That my friend is what is in the end still determined by the masses

And surely I would love for the expert opinion to be assessed as good, but the fact of the matter is that I can have 100 experts saying my music/videogame/movie is the best thing ever, if nobody wants it, it's not been good, it's been of quality but not good
 

M-E-D The Poet

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TheAztec said:
The stupid, it hurts!

Seriously, you contradicted yourself a bit there...
I didn't contradict myself

I never said my opinion was relevant, I just stated my opinion

I'm not forbidding you from having an opinion I'm just making a point
 

M-E-D The Poet

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Sandor [The Hound said:
Clegane]
M-E-D The Poet said:
basm321 said:
M-E-D The Poet said:
There comes a time when we have to say STOP to a community
That time is now, because some things ruin the mood in society
Your lesson for today is this :
Your opinion is the most important thing in the world , but your opinion is irrelevant.

Allow me to elaborate, A lot of people on the escapist think that games like COD or HALO are worthless pieces of tripe (Note : The modern presentations of them)
Then in every thread about anything closely related to these subjects they start spewing their hatred and start offering up alternatives to them in a state of grandeur.
The thing is however, the threshold by which we determine whether something is good or bad is not noted down by the amount of hatred for said subject, but by the threshold of likeability.
Now this may be tough to fathom but I'll give you an example

Mozart and Shakespeare we both consider masters of their craft and kings of their era, but for each Mozart there was a minor greater artist of whom we know nothing. Perhaps Mozart was the justin bieber of his era, we can't ever be too sure of that, what we can be sure of is that enough people liked his music to make it last through the years and be relevant today.

And yes ladies and gentlemen, you read that right, artists like Justin Bieber may be the only thing left of our present generation in 200 years, it's sad but it's the way it goes.

Now a bit more to the point, yes for example Deus ex might be a masterpiece of gaming, but that becomes irrelevant when 99% has never heard or given a crap about it. Yes CoD might be meaningfully shite but if 30% of the world knows about the COD franchise and likes it that franchise becomes GOOD in the eyes of society.

You can argue against it but every mature man and woman at some point has to learn that that is how the world works


M-E-D The Poet out.
This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is

A

Opinion

Opinion=Irrelevant

Just want to make sure that I understand what you said.
the stating of the theory is not an opinion the rest of the post is however. so yes
My god, how can one respond to this post without getting a warning? Must tread carefully...
I feel I'm being a tad misunderstood here, or you might be possibly the target group I'm trying to reach, who knows but if one can't stay polite it's fair game to stick out yet voice their mindset (which is duly noted)
 

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M-E-D The Poet said:
Your lesson for today is this :
Your opinion is the most important thing in the world , but your opinion is irrelevant.
Hehehe...more or less a TL;RD summery at the beginning of rant.
 
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Em stuff like Music can actually be good or bad in a non subjective way. If you were to make a Classical music style piece it would have to follow certain rules same as to be a Rock song it also has to have certain characteristics.

Also no one is debating Justin Beiber is a master of teen pop and he is a perfect example of it. Can't get much more of a generic perfect example of teen pop than that.

Well aside from that now that we have stated the obvious and something we all knew time to move on I suppose. Also this is the internet people are always going to state their opinion as fact whether you like it or not this not a problem central to the Escapist. If you don't believe me look at other forums. We may get a bit more pretentious and elitist about it compared to other sites but aside from that we are no better or worse than other forums.

As a side note people have long since gotten over Halo also a lot of the time making generalisations of a lot of people on this forum isn't always the best way to go. This is because a lot of the time a lot of people in threads have a bit of a sheep mentality and always go with the one opinion a lot.

Just once again every site has their bad and good points and chances are you won't change any of them. This is the Escapist and always has been don't expect it to reform to your liking in this regard anytime soon.
 

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That and there is a amount of elitism in this community that is sicking, lack of tolerance, and if your opinion is different from the mass majority then prepare to be flamed away
 

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M-E-D The Poet said:
There comes a time when we have to say STOP to a community
That time is now, because some things ruin the mood in society
Your lesson for today is this :
Your opinion is the most important thing in the world , but your opinion is irrelevant.

Allow me to elaborate, A lot of people on the escapist think that games like COD or HALO are worthless pieces of tripe (Note : The modern presentations of them)
Then in every thread about anything closely related to these subjects they start spewing their hatred and start offering up alternatives to them in a state of grandeur.
The thing is however, the threshold by which we determine whether something is good or bad is not noted down by the amount of hatred for said subject, but by the threshold of likeability.
Now this may be tough to fathom but I'll give you an example

Mozart and Shakespeare we both consider masters of their craft and kings of their era, but for each Mozart there was a minor greater artist of whom we know nothing. Perhaps Mozart was the justin bieber of his era, we can't ever be too sure of that, what we can be sure of is that enough people liked his music to make it last through the years and be relevant today.

And yes ladies and gentlemen, you read that right, artists like Justin Bieber may be the only thing left of our present generation in 200 years, it's sad but it's the way it goes.

Now a bit more to the point, yes for example Deus ex might be a masterpiece of gaming, but that becomes irrelevant when 99% has never heard or given a crap about it. Yes CoD might be meaningfully shite but if 30% of the world knows about the COD franchise and likes it that franchise becomes GOOD in the eyes of society.

You can argue against it but every mature man and woman at some point has to learn that that is how the world works


M-E-D The Poet out.

Well, yes and no.

You are correct that the negative opinions don't matter much to the gaming industry, or any major industry for that matter, since they are increasingly concerned with making as much money as possible, as opposed to putting out a good product, improving the medium within which they work, or anything else. It's a very rare situation today where a business remains content to simply make money, as opposed to demanding constant growth and increasingly monsterous profits. This is what people are talking about when they complain about the "corperate" mentality, which is a bit differant from someone being anti-capitalist. Few have a problem with people making profits, but rather with the pursuit of them beyond everything else and the product as a whole.

Opinions that aren't reinforced by action are meaningless when dealing with corperate bureaucrats. Those complaining over the internet about video games will rarely, if ever, actually put their money where their mouth is and refuse to buy a product, and thus the opinions become irrelevent. It's like a Junkie complaining about his drugs being cut with baby powder more and more, what does the dealer care if the Junkie keeps coming back and giving him money?

This is also why there is a huge amount of conflict between REAL gamers, and casuals. In theory there could be games for both groups to be happy, in practice everyone aims towards catering to the casual market because it outnumbers the real gamers substantially. Crapping out another deritivive shooter might not do anything to further gaming, or even present a solid, and intelligent product, but it WILL make money. Even if the real gamers complain, what does it matter when they are out numbered? The "Bros" and "Frat Boys" will line up for their shooters and pro-sports games (which are like the equivilent of Farmville, but for a differant audience).

That said, your opinion might not matter so much when you direct it at the companies and developers themselves (when dealing with the gaming industry), but it is possible to perhaps adjust the other fans, gradually, over a period of time. I have seen opinions change a bit here, sure radical fanboys might rally behind say "Call Of Duty", but at the same token given time, some of them can be persuaded, especially when they eventually have the arguements drilled into their heads enough times and realize they don't like what they are seeing in the mirror (metaphorically speaking).

Dealing with a corperate enviroment and a massive number of casuals is an uphill battle, but not an impossible one. It's important keep their opinions and criticisms going because over a period of time they can make a differance. Seeing someones message on an internet forum is not going to cause a ray of light to shine down over a meeting of CEOs and cause them to change their ways overnight, but over a period of time these things can lead to change. Right now I think that gradually chipping away at the casual/mainstream audience and bringing them to a degree of self realization can slowly change the numbers, which will in turn put pressure on the industry.

I could say more, but this is long enough. The point here is that I disagree with you, especially in the context I believe your speaking in.

I lack the online charisma to make any kind of differance, but I kind of suspect a decade or so down the road I might very well be able to say "yeah, I was there fighting for this before it was cool" with a straight face... at least when it comes to gaming.
 

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Opinions aren't irrelevant, they just aren't fact. Opinions are 100% relevant. Society is built on opinions just as much as facts.

I think that's a much better thing to state. That people shouldn't act like they're opinion is law. Elitism does nothing when it comes to the entertainment industry.
 

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"Who do you think you are to go around lecturing me?"
It keeps ringing in my head every time I try to read the opening post.

I get what you're saying, OP, but its been said many a time before.
If you're going to make a thread in which you stand up and declare something, you better well make it compelling, because threads without something to discuss are frowned upon here.

you're unclear, you're disrespectful in your tone and how defensive you are being just reeks of having just been personally insulted by someone on this very matter.

When you are frustrated, that is the time to step away from the computer, or at very least stop and write a very well thought out and compelling argument on the said issue.
Right now, you've just set yourself up for more futile conflict. If my assumptions are correct, I'd suggest just asking for this thread to be closed- it is within the right of the thread poster to close a thread upon request here. (With the usual "within reason" tagged on there)
 
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enzilewulf said:
That and there is a amount of elitism in this community that is sicking, lack of tolerance, and if your opinion is different from the mass majority then prepare to be flamed away
And god help you if your religious. Hoho, those "discussions" are always "fun" to read. In a "I'm feeling too happy and need to make myself sadder" kind of way.
 

Phlakes

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Good try, but no. Maybe do a bit of research/use some logic and support your claims next time you go off like this.
 

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I normally avoid this kind of thread as it will, almost inevitably, boil down to a series of comments increasing in pretentiousness, going no where, achieving nothing and ending in "who knows?" or an equivalent general answer.

How ever, just a few things to point out. CoD and Halo are not so much famous as they are infamous. Though it's not even the games that have gained this infamy, it's the fans (you have to be a strong person not to lose faith in humanity when watching CoD griefing reactions on the tubes). With this in mind your Beiber vs Mozart point is null because both are judged on their own merits. Mozart was pretty damn good, a little nuts (I think?) but that just adds character, while Beiber is just annoying, as is his music (IMO obviously).

Yahtzee didn't even deliver too bad a beating to these two games, in fact I think his major criticism was aimed at the fans (although it often is anyway).

Not going to delve into the obvious irony of this thread.

Also: in before "opinion is opinion trololol"
 

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Redlin5 said:
BeerTent said:
Your not a very good poet...
None of that rhymed!
INORITE? I kept trying to find the flow in the post but none of it meshed well. 3/10

[sub]Comparing Justin Bieber and Mozart is a mortal sin. The reason why Mozart is relevant today is because the bastard is a musical genius. Beauty isn't in the eye of the beholder. Beauty is intrinsic to the object or sound. This is why so many people value old masterpieces instead of constantly switching to the next 'big thing'.[/sub]
Lmfao, WRONG. If that were true then EVERYONE would love a certain piece of art.
 

M-E-D The Poet

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ZeroMachine said:
Opinions aren't irrelevant, they just aren't fact. Opinions are 100% relevant. Society is built on opinions just as much as facts.

I think that's a much better thing to state. That people shouldn't act like they're opinion is law. Elitism does nothing when it comes to the entertainment industry.
opinions as a whole are not, that's why I stated, YOUR OPINION IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD

And then came the but

but people seem to be missing that
 

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Brinnmilo said:
I normally avoid this kind of thread as it will, almost inevitably, boil down to a series of comments increasing in pretentiousness, going no where, achieving nothing and ending in "who knows?" or an equivalent general answer.

How ever, just a few things to point out. CoD and Halo are not so much famous as they are infamous. Though it's not even the games that have gained this infamy, it's the fans (you have to be a strong person not to lose faith in humanity when watching CoD griefing reactions on the tubes). With this in mind your Beiber vs Mozart point is null because both are judged on their own merits. Mozart was pretty damn good, a little nuts (I think?) but that just adds character, while Beiber is just annoying, as is his music (IMO obviously).

Yahtzee didn't even deliver too bad a beating to these two games, in fact I think his major criticism was aimed at the fans (although it often is anyway).

Not going to delve into the obvious irony of this thread.

Also: in before "opinion is opinion trololol"
there is no irony in this thread I've many a time ascertained that my opinion is just as irrelevant as the next guy's

And AGAIN you say bieber is annoying Milions of teen girls would have you hanged for saying that