Dear escapist of today

[Kasawd]

I'm not quite sure where the discussion value is in the Opening Post, but, I'm not about to go off on it.

Partly, because I get the feeling that's wanted and partly because I know why you're frustrated. Though, I must ask why you're lecturing on the use of opinion on a forum, where something subjective can only make discussion through contributing opinion. After all, a video game that makes a pile of money is successful, even if it's not spectacular.

Again, though, I'm not quite sure what we're meant to discuss. So, I'll just say that my opinion of your poem is that it's alright. Enjoyable, but nothing that's going to inspire much thought.

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

Well look I don't mean to be rude but for the sake of forum discussion I'm going to evaluate your poem and then maybe write one in response.

The hum of home

The distinct humming in the distance - 9
That forces your mind to comply - 8
You feel like you're in a movie scene - 9
But you know this is reality - 9 If you wanted a real flow to these first few lines you should have gone 9-8-9-8, if anything]
So surreal you feel like mind and body have separated - 15 It's fine to have an abnormally long line to finish off a stanza, but you should repeat it throughout the poem or you just sound like you're shoving too many words in for no reason]

There you doze off in the middle of the street - 11
As the man on the corner picks up his guitar - 12
And starts humming the tune that you followed - 10
His capo breaks the moment you wake - 9
I don't think artistic license can excuse this; every poet can say he wants his work to appear disjointed but to not have a single rhyme or match in syllables throughout a verse is just lazy - not enough thought has gone in to this

As he stands there trying to figure out - 10
What happened and why his guitar is so out of tune - 13
You rise to your feet - 5
For somewhere in the distance someone is humming again - 14
And you walk and run - 5
Trying to catch up - 5
[The rash change of subject halfway through this stanza throws the beat off and the reader off-kilter. The last two lines feel a bit castrated, ending the verse on an off-beat]

Someone should be taping you - 7
Your mind dwindles - 4 [these first two lines have potential, there's a good balance in their juxtaposition, but you abandon that throughout the remaining lines]
Where you fall asleep against the lamppost - 10
As a woman sits by her broken heart - 10
Whistling and humming a distinct tune - 9 [Your grammar has broken down here and what you're writing doesn't make much sense adding in too many characters, a new one in every line, it's like saying a line from a different paragraph with each breath]

When she stands up and picks up a locket cast away - 13 [maybe "picks up" could be changed to "grabs for", "picks out" or "clasps tight" so you're not repeating "up"]
A baby is heard crying - 7
You in your dream stay for days - 7 ["You stay in your dream for days" - identical syllables, correct English]
Locked in the woman's faithful gaze - 8[the one rhyme of your poem wasn't actually that bad, though if you had managed to match the syllables of the last two lines it would have been 'softer']

As you can see I counted out the syllables for your poem to look for any good matches and relationships - you don't have to rhyme but at least try to get a pattern in your syllables.

For the sake of comparison I'll try to come up with a technically simple but sound poem:

Computer games, for heaven's sake, - 8
They will not be much help to you. - 8
'cause every morning, when you wake, - 8
they'll jump up and envelop you. - 8

There may be one more boss to beat to the ground, - 11 [da Da da - da Da da - da Da da da da]
There might be one more dear prize to attain, - 11
But every fel minute put into the chase, - 11
Is just one more moment you'll never regain. - 11

I put no real thought in to meaning with that one, obviously, and didn't bother with any kind of meter or fancy finish.

In any case I know that this thread might have forced you on to the defensive but in the end I have somewhat agreed with your post, so be satisfied.

Thank you and I appreciate it

Mind you I know I cannot throw grammar at a whim,however I am of the belief that a poem need not rhyme, and that free form is free form
But you are right to say so, and grammar is not to be unhinged.

Thank you for your time and reply

Also indeed may I request within reason that a mod may close this thread, seeing the obvious mistaking in my tone and message.

For I did not mean to post aloof, and nobody seems to be listening to me when I say I know my post by itself, contradicts itself.

I'm not quite sure where the discussion value is in the Opening Post, but, I'm not about to go off on it.

Partly, because I get the feeling that's wanted and partly because I know why you're frustrated. Though, I must ask why you're lecturing on the use of opinion on a forum, where something subjective can only make discussion through contributing opinion. After all, a video game that makes a pile of money is successful, even if it's not spectacular.

Again, though, I'm not quite sure what we're meant to discuss. So, I'll just say that my opinion of your poem is that it's alright. Enjoyable, but nothing that's going to inspire much thought.

thank you

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

"Who do you think you are to go around lecturing me?"
It keeps ringing in my head every time I try to read the opening post.

I get what you're saying, OP, but its been said many a time before.
If you're going to make a thread in which you stand up and declare something, you better well make it compelling, because threads without something to discuss are frowned upon here.

you're unclear, you're disrespectful in your tone and how defensive you are being just reeks of having just been personally insulted by someone on this very matter.

When you are frustrated, that is the time to step away from the computer, or at very least stop and write a very well thought out and compelling argument on the said issue.
Right now, you've just set yourself up for more futile conflict. If my assumptions are correct, I'd suggest just asking for this thread to be closed- it is within the right of the thread poster to close a thread upon request here. (With the usual "within reason" tagged on there)

I offer my well meant apologies to you and anyone who read into it like that, it wasn't my intention to put that into the post, but if it gets read from it I cannot deny I have been wrong.

 

[Lenin211]

What exactly are you saying? You claim that other people's opinions are unimportant, then when people point out the hypocrisy in your statement you fervently deny that it applies to your opinion.
In your confusing rant, you make a mention of Mozart and how his music is equal to Bieber's music. Are you trying to say that the majority opinion is always right? If a Neo-conservative is elected president, does that mean that their views are obviously superior? Obviously not. The only real point that you seem to make is the comparison between Mozart and Bieber. There are real reasons that Mozart's music is superior from a technical standpoint alone that I will not get into now. You state something about Call of duty and Halo, but then state that we "note down the threshold of likeability to determine if something is good or not rather than the amount of hatred for the subject". the hell does that mean? You seem to have been bogged down with using the largest and smartest sounding words you could muster to state your opinion without considering that "threshold of likeability" doesn't make much sense at all. You seem to acknowledge this however by stating immediately following your discussion of how things are judged by "threshold of likeability" rather than "amount of hatred for the subject" by saying that this statement could be "difficult to fathom".
It is in fact difficult to understand the truth in that statement.
My opinions of course "do not matter" as the Op has cleverly shielded himself from any counterarguments with his "opinions don't matter" sentence at the beginning that he put in bold, apparently opinions really don't matter.
And despite your second edit that your opinion shouldn't be judged on your own standards of "opinions don't matter" your claim still is contradictory to your fourth sentence.

[sub](sorry for the extended rebuttal, just got back from a debate tournament and I was feeling argumentative.)[/sub]

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

What exactly are you saying? You claim that other people's opinions are unimportant, then when people point out the hypocrisy in your statement you fervently deny that it applies to your opinion.
In your confusing rant, you make a mention of Mozart and how his music is equal to Bieber's music. Are you trying to say that the majority opinion is always right? If a Neo-conservative is elected president, does that mean that their views are obviously superior? Obviously not. The only real point that you seem to make is the comparison between Mozart and Bieber. There are real reasons that Mozart's music is superior from a technical standpoint alone that I will not get into now. You state something about Call of duty and Halo, but then state that we "note down the threshold of likeability to determine if something is good or not rather than the amount of hatred for the subject". the hell does that mean? You seem to have been bogged down with using the largest and smartest sounding words you could muster to state your opinion without considering that "threshold of likeability" doesn't make much sense at all. You seem to acknowledge this however by stating immediately following your discussion of how things are judged by "threshold of likeability" rather that "amount of hatred for the subject" by saying that this statement could be "difficult to fathom".
It is in fact difficult to understand the truth in that statement.
My opinions of course "do not matter" as the Op has cleverly shielded himself from any counterarguments with his "opinions don't matter" sentence at the beginning that he put in bold, apparently opinions really don't matter.
And despite your second edit that your opinion shouldn't be judged on your own standards of "opinions don't matter" your claim still is contradictory to your fourth sentence.

[sub](sorry for the extended rebuttal, just got back from a debate tournament and I was feeling argumentative.)[/sub]

Your opinion is the most important thing in the world

That it's irrelevant is only in the general census, nobody is going to say when a group stands up , that each individual voiced their opinion and then go name them .

And what if I use big words I'm accustomed to doing as such.

Sorry, if I come out hostile

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Lmfao, WRONG. If that were true then EVERYONE would love a certain piece of art.

Not so sure about that...

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

Clegane]

Clegane]

There comes a time when we have to say STOP to a community
That time is now, because some things ruin the mood in society
Your lesson for today is this :
Your opinion is the most important thing in the world , but your opinion is irrelevant.

Allow me to elaborate, A lot of people on the escapist think that games like COD or HALO are worthless pieces of tripe (Note : The modern presentations of them)
Then in every thread about anything closely related to these subjects they start spewing their hatred and start offering up alternatives to them in a state of grandeur.
The thing is however, the threshold by which we determine whether something is good or bad is not noted down by the amount of hatred for said subject, but by the threshold of likeability.
Now this may be tough to fathom but I'll give you an example

Mozart and Shakespeare we both consider masters of their craft and kings of their era, but for each Mozart there was a minor greater artist of whom we know nothing. Perhaps Mozart was the justin bieber of his era, we can't ever be too sure of that, what we can be sure of is that enough people liked his music to make it last through the years and be relevant today.

And yes ladies and gentlemen, you read that right, artists like Justin Bieber may be the only thing left of our present generation in 200 years, it's sad but it's the way it goes.

Now a bit more to the point, yes for example Deus ex might be a masterpiece of gaming, but that becomes irrelevant when 99% has never heard or given a crap about it. Yes CoD might be meaningfully shite but if 30% of the world knows about the COD franchise and likes it that franchise becomes GOOD in the eyes of society.

You can argue against it but every mature man and woman at some point has to learn that that is how the world works


M-E-D The Poet out.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is

A

Opinion

Opinion=Irrelevant

Just want to make sure that I understand what you said.

the stating of the theory is not an opinion the rest of the post is however. so yes

My god, how can one respond to this post without getting a warning? Must tread carefully...

I feel I'm being a tad misunderstood here, or you might be possibly the target group I'm trying to reach, who knows but if one can't stay polite it's fair game to stick out yet voice their mindset (which is duly noted)

Wait what? So your opinions should be duly noted if you are rude about it, but ignored if your polite? I must be misunderstanding you because your posts make no sense.

EDIT: and the point of my OP was to illustrate that you claiming your opinion is actually a 'theory' doesn't mean or change anything.

no see you don't read !
what I said was : You refraining from stating your mind for you think you might earn yourself a ban if you did is okay with me and I acknowledge that you are not sharing my opinion via said post

 

[spartan231490]

Blatantly obvious cat is obvious? How am I supposed to react to this. It's punch in the face obvious. yes, your opinion is the most important thing to you, and it is also completely irrelevant to the rest of the world, and to how anything will be remembered in the future. Yes value of art is completely subjective and changes over time, leaving every possibility that Justin Beiber or Kesha are celebrated in the future as the Mozart's of their times. It's not likely, but certainly possible.

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

Blatantly obvious cat is obvious? How am I supposed to react to this. It's punch in the face obvious. yes, your opinion is the most important thing to you, and it is also completely irrelevant to the rest of the world, and to how anything will be remembered in the future. Yes value of art is completely subjective and changes over time, leaving every possibility that Justin Beiber or Kesha are celebrated in the future as the Mozart's of their times. It's not likely, but certainly possible.

well thank you for further reference people misunderstanding me in this thread can read your post, cause I figured the same as you, but apparently a lot of people think not

 

[Caliostro]

Your opinion is the most important thing in the world , but your opinion is irrelevant.

EDIT 2 : I know my OP looks like it contradicts itself but it doesn't I never once stated my opinion as being relevant

Did anyone else? Doesn't the act of posting this at all carry the inherent claim that it is, even in some minor way, relevant? Or do you act towards irrelevant, and therefore inconsequential, actions? Isn't the action a claim of belief of relevance on its own?

Either ways, this is an online forum. It's created for people to discuss things. Everything here is just as relevant as any other discussion between random strangers on the subject.

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

Your opinion is the most important thing in the world , but your opinion is irrelevant.

EDIT 2 : I know my OP looks like it contradicts itself but it doesn't I never once stated my opinion as being relevant

Did anyone else? Doesn't the act of posting this at all carry the inherent claim that it is, even in some minor way, relevant? Or do you act towards irrelevant, and therefore inconsequential, actions? Isn't the action a claim of belief of relevance on its own?

Either ways, this is an online forum. It's created for people to discuss things. Everything here is just as relevant as any other discussion between random strangers on the subject.

Relevant to discuss between each other yes, relevant on global scale? no, but people act like it is and show off in it to others

Voicing an opinion is okay, stating an opinion as fact and trying to shoot down others cause your opinion is fact to you
Is something completely different

You may be of the opinion that god does not exist, you may have some proof that he does not
If I wish to belief in god I can defend myself in a discussion against you
But you shouldn't be trying to constructively destroy my belief with 5 guys at a time(or solo).

Disclaimer :that was an example I am an atheist

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

Clegane]The extreme irony is that your entire post was one big, unsupported opinion. Ergo nobody gives a shit.

Also why did you feel the need to make two threads about this?

Pardon me, I had no idea I double posted it

 

[FernandoV]

Lmfao, WRONG. If that were true then EVERYONE would love a certain piece of art.

Not so sure about that...

Then what do you suggest? People ignore "intrinsic beauty"?

 

[Brinnmilo]

I normally avoid this kind of thread as it will, almost inevitably, boil down to a series of comments increasing in pretentiousness, going no where, achieving nothing and ending in "who knows?" or an equivalent general answer.

How ever, just a few things to point out. CoD and Halo are not so much famous as they are infamous. Though it's not even the games that have gained this infamy, it's the fans (you have to be a strong person not to lose faith in humanity when watching CoD griefing reactions on the tubes). With this in mind your Beiber vs Mozart point is null because both are judged on their own merits. Mozart was pretty damn good, a little nuts (I think?) but that just adds character, while Beiber is just annoying, as is his music (IMO obviously).

Yahtzee didn't even deliver too bad a beating to these two games, in fact I think his major criticism was aimed at the fans (although it often is anyway).

Not going to delve into the obvious irony of this thread.

Also: in before "opinion is opinion trololol"

there is no irony in this thread I've many a time ascertained that my opinion is just as irrelevant as the next guy's

And AGAIN you say bieber is annoying Milions of teen girls would have you hanged for saying that

"And AGAIN"? I said Bieber was annoying before? Well yes I have, but unless you are stalking my every waking step then how would you know?

You can say that you never said your opinion is "relevant" but actions speak louder than words. If you are posting on a forum expressing your opinion then evidently you think it's relevant other wise you wouldn't entertain that opinion. Unless of course you are playing devils advocate, but if that were the case would you really bother defending a point instead of clarifying it (as clearly needs doing as the majority of posters seem to have "misunderstood" your point)?

 

[AdumbroDeus]

EDIT : MY OP IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A POEM
EDIT 2 : I know my OP looks like it contradicts itself but it doesn't I never once stated my opinion as being relevant

There comes a time when we have to say STOP to a community
That time is now, because some things ruin the mood in society
Your lesson for today is this :
Your opinion is the most important thing in the world , but your opinion is irrelevant.

Allow me to elaborate, A lot of people on the escapist think that games like COD or HALO are worthless pieces of tripe (Note : The modern presentations of them)
Then in every thread about anything closely related to these subjects they start spewing their hatred and start offering up alternatives to them in a state of grandeur.
The thing is however, the threshold by which we determine whether something is good or bad is not noted down by the amount of hatred for said subject, but by the threshold of likeability.
Now this may be tough to fathom but I'll give you an example

Mozart and Shakespeare we both consider masters of their craft and kings of their era, but for each Mozart there was a minor greater artist of whom we know nothing. Perhaps Mozart was the justin bieber of his era, we can't ever be too sure of that, what we can be sure of is that enough people liked his music to make it last through the years and be relevant today.

And yes ladies and gentlemen, you read that right, artists like Justin Bieber may be the only thing left of our present generation in 200 years, it's sad but it's the way it goes.

Now a bit more to the point, yes for example Deus ex might be a masterpiece of gaming, but that becomes irrelevant when 99% has never heard or given a crap about it. Yes CoD might be meaningfully shite but if 30% of the world knows about the COD franchise and likes it that franchise becomes GOOD in the eyes of society.

You can argue against it but every mature man and woman at some point has to learn that that is how the world works


M-E-D The Poet out.

There's a major flaw here, most works we know weren't the most popular in their era. Most were reasonably popular yes (the rest were rediscovered), but it wasn't popularity that decided anything, it was overall quality, originality, how influential it was to music as a whole. Remember it's music nerds that decide what music gets remembered.


It's rare that the most popular music is what's ultimately remembered generations later.