Guys, this was a joke. Really. xD I only did it because I had the first post, so I needed a /thread remark. To each there own, I personally prefer my PC, because I'm not paying $1000.00 more for a pretty picture.xArtemisxEntrerix said:
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Honestly, I was expecting a better flame war.
I don't use Macs for two reasons. One is to avoid the "Elitist prick" stereotype. The other is because I have no need to edit various forms of multimedia.
I don't use Macs for two reasons. One is to avoid the "Elitist prick" stereotype. The other is because I have no need to edit various forms of multimedia.
I'm sorry, but I have to call you out on that one. I assume you are referring to Adobe products such as Photoshop.Macgyvercas said:
Your statement is simply untrue about "Macs are better at artwork/design." I'm a graphic designer and have used both Windows and OSX extensively and can say there is literally no difference between the two in that manner. Except for the price tag of the hardware, the software is identical and the same results can be achieved on either OS.
I do, however, prefer Windows over OSX. I mean, when you're buying a computer, why handicap yourself and spend more money to boot?
Ubuntu is probably the least time consuming linux build (that I've used), that was more of a "linux in general" is more time consuming, as you can't use linux without spending ages making everything your own (I mean, you could..but nobody does). Lately I've not been using any unix build as I've discovered the joys of solidworks on a 64bit system (seriously, with less than a billion gigs of ram that shit doesn't move, it's nice to have shit done within the hour) that said, Debian was always the cool oneReuq said:
(before this gets out of hand, I should point out that I am teasing you and I that I have no problem with ubuntu whatsoever).
Macs are actually pretty damn good for everything but gaming. I think if I had the money I would have a mac laptop for school and media editing related purposes, and a pc for the large amounts of gaming I do.
The Truth
Apple users don't assemble their own computers from bits and pieces, their only concern is software, most of which is either designed by Apple, or conforms to their Human Interface Guidelines document. As a result the end-user experience is very consistent. Design is not just "branding", or "styling", but quantifiable improvements to productivity through the removal of 'friction' from commonly performed acts. In a way, Apple design is fascist and dictatorial. You are not allowed the same choices and flexibility that you get with Linux (and to a lesser extent with Windows as its source is closed) as a group of designers have made an "informed decision" what is best for you. Understandably, many people hate this.
What (non-Apple) PC users fail to grasp is that they don't find their Windows box to be all that difficult to use (and therefore an Apple box seems to them to be unnecessarily expensive as they feel that they aren't getting 'value for money' as its supposed greater "ease of use" seems to be a moot point, considering that they are comfortable with their DLLs and Registry Cleaners, etc. and aren't paying a premium for less flexibility), but a typical Mac user would drown in all of Windows' complexities. Sure, some Mac users partition their drives and run Windows and even Linux (Linus Torvalds owns a Mac, but only runs Linux on it), or use some virtualisation software, like Parallels, but they are in the minority.
Here Parallels lets you mix windows from OS X with Windows and drag & drop between them.
Here is Crysis running in a Windows window on the Mac desktop, but you'd probably be better off using Boot Camp.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallels_Desktop_for_Mac
...but owning a PC does mean doing without Mac software.
So, in summary, (non-Apple) PC users don't comprehend why anyone would pay through the nose for 'cool design' when they can build a much cheaper PC and have more control over how it operates with Windows. The truth is that they are blind to their own expertise, Apple users like the apparent consistency and simplicity of the Mac and OS X without understanding that this would have been impossible to engineer without Apple having full control over both the hardware and (the majority of) the software. In fact, it is only when you look at a truly integrated product that you understand their priorities are to make life-enhancing devices rather than multi-purpose computers.
Better than texting...
So, if you really want to boil it down. Apple products are for noobs, or to be more polite: "creatives who just want to get their work done with the absolute minimum of fuss and distraction". Despite, my technical expertise in programming software, that is the reason why I prefer them.
Apple users don't assemble their own computers from bits and pieces, their only concern is software, most of which is either designed by Apple, or conforms to their Human Interface Guidelines document. As a result the end-user experience is very consistent. Design is not just "branding", or "styling", but quantifiable improvements to productivity through the removal of 'friction' from commonly performed acts. In a way, Apple design is fascist and dictatorial. You are not allowed the same choices and flexibility that you get with Linux (and to a lesser extent with Windows as its source is closed) as a group of designers have made an "informed decision" what is best for you. Understandably, many people hate this.
What (non-Apple) PC users fail to grasp is that they don't find their Windows box to be all that difficult to use (and therefore an Apple box seems to them to be unnecessarily expensive as they feel that they aren't getting 'value for money' as its supposed greater "ease of use" seems to be a moot point, considering that they are comfortable with their DLLs and Registry Cleaners, etc. and aren't paying a premium for less flexibility), but a typical Mac user would drown in all of Windows' complexities. Sure, some Mac users partition their drives and run Windows and even Linux (Linus Torvalds owns a Mac, but only runs Linux on it), or use some virtualisation software, like Parallels, but they are in the minority.
Here Parallels lets you mix windows from OS X with Windows and drag & drop between them.
Here is Crysis running in a Windows window on the Mac desktop, but you'd probably be better off using Boot Camp.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallels_Desktop_for_Mac
...but owning a PC does mean doing without Mac software.
So, in summary, (non-Apple) PC users don't comprehend why anyone would pay through the nose for 'cool design' when they can build a much cheaper PC and have more control over how it operates with Windows. The truth is that they are blind to their own expertise, Apple users like the apparent consistency and simplicity of the Mac and OS X without understanding that this would have been impossible to engineer without Apple having full control over both the hardware and (the majority of) the software. In fact, it is only when you look at a truly integrated product that you understand their priorities are to make life-enhancing devices rather than multi-purpose computers.
Better than texting...
So, if you really want to boil it down. Apple products are for noobs, or to be more polite: "creatives who just want to get their work done with the absolute minimum of fuss and distraction". Despite, my technical expertise in programming software, that is the reason why I prefer them.
Mac/Apple an their OS are FAR better and more stable than anything MS has ever released. The computers themselves, while using many of the same components, are designed better as well.
At work on multiple different PC's I am constantly crashing, getting hang ups, and in general just poor performance. The MS OS simply cannot handle any serious type of work involving video, audio or graphics. It can however run Word very well. On my Mac (with half the memory I might add) I routinely open up 2gb files in Photoshop and have no problem what so ever. I edit the exact same video, audio and graphic files without any of the crashing. It too can run Word.
Its just an easier OS to work with, but also has that command line level of interface if you want it. Even the mouse moves across the screen better. Seriously.
example: At work to get my PC to recognize a network printer takes my tech guy 5-10 minutes to get working. And no my tech guy doesn't suck. Thats just the amount of bullshit you have to do on a MS OS.
On my Mac I turn it on, it sees the printer on the network and prints. Done. No tech guy needed, no special hoops I have to jump through, no time wasted. Hell I don't even need a friggin driver if I don't have it. It just works. This is just one example of many.
At work on multiple different PC's I am constantly crashing, getting hang ups, and in general just poor performance. The MS OS simply cannot handle any serious type of work involving video, audio or graphics. It can however run Word very well. On my Mac (with half the memory I might add) I routinely open up 2gb files in Photoshop and have no problem what so ever. I edit the exact same video, audio and graphic files without any of the crashing. It too can run Word.
Its just an easier OS to work with, but also has that command line level of interface if you want it. Even the mouse moves across the screen better. Seriously.
example: At work to get my PC to recognize a network printer takes my tech guy 5-10 minutes to get working. And no my tech guy doesn't suck. Thats just the amount of bullshit you have to do on a MS OS.
On my Mac I turn it on, it sees the printer on the network and prints. Done. No tech guy needed, no special hoops I have to jump through, no time wasted. Hell I don't even need a friggin driver if I don't have it. It just works. This is just one example of many.
Who or what is an Ubuntu?Glefistus said:
That said, I've never seen the point to a owning MAC. You're paying three times as much for the name; that's really all. Though if you pay twice as much as the already-exorbitant price, you can get a Mac that fits into a manila envelope and thus entertain your retarded brother for hours. It goes in! It comes out! Oooh, ah!
I have used a Mac, and did not like it. Firstly, the appearance was offputting, cold steel is just not my thing. Second was the lack of customizability, the fixed options at inflated prices made me feel like I was using a market scam to word process things. Finally, it refused to talk to my printer, my MP4 or my scanner, I don't know why. It just told me that the drivers wouldn't install and I was not going to buy specialist replacements. I sold it, got most of the money back and bought my current Windows Vista laptop at half the cost of the Mac.
I have also never had a problem with Vista, not one of the major bugs people constantly cite have manifested. The only thing that happens is every now and then the scroll function on my touch pad stops working and I have to use the up and down keys to scroll.
And to those saying use Ubuntu. I have and I didn't see the appeal. Yes it looks nice and runs smoothly, but so does my Vista machine and that doesn't require a knowledge of programming and coding to be able to get the most out of it. Linux based systems are only really worthwhile for people who have a good knowledge of PC coding.
I have also never had a problem with Vista, not one of the major bugs people constantly cite have manifested. The only thing that happens is every now and then the scroll function on my touch pad stops working and I have to use the up and down keys to scroll.
And to those saying use Ubuntu. I have and I didn't see the appeal. Yes it looks nice and runs smoothly, but so does my Vista machine and that doesn't require a knowledge of programming and coding to be able to get the most out of it. Linux based systems are only really worthwhile for people who have a good knowledge of PC coding.
Not really considering Apple never really bothers to sell the OS on it's own. The OS is merely there as an excuse for Apple to sell standard PC hardware stuck in a shiny white, clear, or colored case at twice the price.wildpeaks said:
OS is nice, but the price and lack of too much functionality outside of work ruin it all for me. The only reason I would use a Mac is if work required me to use it. I don't own one, but I used it often for graphics and printing.
Personally, I prefer Windows just because it really does handle everything.
I use a mac because I didn't pay for it, my dad did.
Were I buying for myself, I would have gone with windows, because it's cheaper.
It's a damn good OS though, that's for sure. Preferable to Vista, though I haven't tried Win7 yet for comparison.
The mouse is horrendous, however, and after a year of use the scroll ball (which took 'em a while to get round to implementing) doesn't scroll up at all, and intermittently scrolls down. The new Magic Mouse or whatever they call it looks pretty damnably win though.
I use it mostly for the internet, doing essays/stories and Photoshop. Things which NO WINDOWS COMPUTER DARE COMPUTE.
I have Final Cut Pro, but I don't use it all that much, so its USP, the whole artist thing, is null and void.
People that care too much one way or the other are just... well they care too much.
Looks pretty, though.
Were I buying for myself, I would have gone with windows, because it's cheaper.
It's a damn good OS though, that's for sure. Preferable to Vista, though I haven't tried Win7 yet for comparison.
The mouse is horrendous, however, and after a year of use the scroll ball (which took 'em a while to get round to implementing) doesn't scroll up at all, and intermittently scrolls down. The new Magic Mouse or whatever they call it looks pretty damnably win though.
I use it mostly for the internet, doing essays/stories and Photoshop. Things which NO WINDOWS COMPUTER DARE COMPUTE.
I have Final Cut Pro, but I don't use it all that much, so its USP, the whole artist thing, is null and void.
People that care too much one way or the other are just... well they care too much.
Looks pretty, though.
My major is computer animation, so I figured a Mac would suit me well. Also, the university bookstore needed to get rid of their stock to bring in the new Macs, so my 24" iMac was $700 (U.S) off the original price Also it's just so much easier to use overall. Fewer errors, more streamlined interface and funcitons, and less having to micromanage everything that goes on.
And another thing: I don't get why people have such issues with the mouse. I had to use one in a graphic design class, so I got used to it. But if that's not your thing sure, whatever, just go to WalMart and pick up a $15 optical mouse from the tech section. I don't get why people hold things against computers that can be easily changed. I already had a normal mouse from the computer before the Mac, so I just plugged that one in and the Mighty Mouse hasn't seen the light of day since the day I first unpackaged the computer.
Also it's just so much easier to use overall. Fewer errors, more streamlined interface and funcitons, and less having to micromanage everything that goes on.And another thing: I don't get why people have such issues with the mouse. I had to use one in a graphic design class, so I got used to it. But if that's not your thing sure, whatever, just go to WalMart and pick up a $15 optical mouse from the tech section. I don't get why people hold things against computers that can be easily changed. I already had a normal mouse from the computer before the Mac, so I just plugged that one in and the Mighty Mouse hasn't seen the light of day since the day I first unpackaged the computer.
I grew up on Macs, and I just like them more. Sure, there isn't as much software available for them, but most of the games I play online are Flash- or browser-based, so that really doesn't matter. Windows just feels too bogged down in itself. And besides*, given how much Microsoft has cribbed from Apple over the years (and vice vers, to a lesser degree,) can anyone really be purely pro-Windows and anti-MacOS anymore? It's like saying you hate garlic, and yet you still happily consume recipes that use it, simply because you don't see the garlic.
*Batten down your flame-hatches, everyone. This is probably gonna be controversial.
*Batten down your flame-hatches, everyone. This is probably gonna be controversial.
Agreed.RAKtheUndead said:This is a good summation of the situation, apart from something I have a very serious issue with:Uncompetative said:
No. NO. The touchscreen keyboard on the iPhone is one of the most appalling failures of user interface on any modern operating system. There's no feedback from the keyboard, either tactile or haptic, and the keyboard is horribly laid out, with the necessity for big keys requiring people to press a separate button if they want to put as much as a full stop into their text. I mean, it's not fair to ask for an E90 Communicator/HTC Touch Pro-style five-line full QWERTY keyboard, but seriously, Apple, you need to figure out the line between useful simplicity and "this keyboard is worse than the one on a Sinclair ZX81".Uncompetative said:
Better than texting...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.88365#1352807
I re-read your earlier post on the subject and felt that you made some good points. The landscape keyboard helps somewhat, but I don't do a lot of typing on mine. Anyway, if you have a phone you may as well just use interactive voice-mail, which Apple have fixed so that you can review your messages in any order you like. If anything spoils it, it is the new OS which adds a very poorly integrated Cut/Copy/Paste feature, practically ruining the UI experience. It would have been far better if you could have set a Collation point and then navigated to the source and held down the Home button to act in a similar way to a Shift key on a keyboard and then swipe over the region to be copied, or tap at either extent (with the aid of the lens to get the ends where you wanted before you released your finger), at which point the content would be automatically pasted after the Collation point and the Collation point moved to after it, whilst the source region remained highlighted red so that an extra tap within it would delete it (giving you the Cut operation). Unfortunately, they used the hold Home action to activate Voice Over (which is kinda stupid as that is only of benefit to iPhone users, whereas a Collate button would benefit iPod Touch users also).
So, I suppose a bad example there with the portrait keyboard. Even a membrane keyboard is nicer. I don't know... are there any bluetooth self-powered membrane keyboards for the iPhone? A Fitaly keyboard would be a nice option too:
see: http://www.fitaly.com/fitalycomment/garykrakow.htm
Not likely.