Debate a girl about anything! I will debate you!

[p3t3r]

you won't argue on anything

 

[dogenzakaminion]

snip for convenience

If it occures from rape AND they do it before the point when all the organs are developed it is up to them. Teenaged mothers should not murder their fetuses. They made the choice unlike women who are raped. Also even though it may not feel yet you are stripping it of the ability to grow and eventually feel. It is only slightly less terrible.

Well, many places in the world, there is no or lacking education about contraception and safe sex. Should the girls who get pregnant due to the lack of knowledge be held to the same standard as those who do not care about contraception? I must clarify that I mean in the sense of their community not enabling them to learn about it, or not give them any reason to find info on this on their own.

Also, if you agree that rape victims are allowed to choose, then you are at least part pro-choice. Even the pro-choice movement believe in regulations and not "free abortion."

 

[Mr Somewhere]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

You thinking it is murder doesn't really say much. Does that mean you're pro-life? I've known people who thought it was murder but were pro-choice, because not everyone thinks the same.

I guess you're trying to debate OP but still...I'd like to learn more on this topic and challenging my own thoughts is the best way to do so, since I've never really met anyone against it.

I am pro-Life. I believe in Freedom and I wish the government had less restriction on people (I am somewhat of a LIbertarian) but you don't have the "freedom" to MURDER someone. It is just as bad as having the baby then suffocating it because you don't feel like taking care of it.

Well, current abortion law limits the time you can have an abortion as to limit the suffering of the fetus. Note I say fetus, not baby, because at that point the things is just cells, has not nervous system and no self awareness. Although that is really beside the point, as I also believe taking life is wrong. What I am interested in is your opinions with unjust pregnancies. Like say a woman is raped and gets pregnant. She would be forced to have that baby. Teenage mothers? Ever statistic in the world shows that teenage parents have a significantly worse life than those who have children later. A pregnancy isn't just about the baby, it's about the parents too.

If it occures from rape AND they do it before the point when all the organs are developed it is up to them. Teenaged mothers should not murder their fetuses. They made the choice unlike women who are raped. Also even though it may not feel yet you are stripping it of the ability to grow and eventually feel. It is only slightly less terrible.

But if the child was never intended, aren't you worsening the existence of the mother and presumably the father too? Should the parents not come first? Accidents happen. You only live once, sometimes one doesn't want the burden of children to hamper their existence. Why should they tolerate a child when it could lead to a miserable existence for both the parents and child?
Happiness is key in our world, a mistake should not nullify that.
I believe people should at least have a choice. Rather than strip them of the choice due to some moral crusaders, we shouldn't force our own opinions down one another's throats and make them law (to an extent of course).
Live and let live I say.
Keep in mind these are all totally personal beliefs, just for the debate and all that.

That is actually a very reasonable arguement. Though of course I have to argue it. I think that choice should be adoption. Rather then take away your babies chance at life give them a different one. Some say that many women would rather abort their baby then wait a while then part with it once you get attached. But that is extremely selfish in my mind. They are basicly saying "If I can't have it no body can."

Oh yeah, adoption is very reasonable. But birth being the traumatic event it is, some might not be able to handle it. It's such a terribly complex situation which is why I would stress choice, as wonderful as birth is, the responsibilities can both forge meaning for lives and destroy them, so, yeah choice is rather important.

 

[ViaGalactica]

I think that choice should be adoption. Rather then take away your babies chance at life give them a different one. Some say that many women would rather abort their baby then wait a while then part with it once you get attached. But that is extremely selfish in my mind. They are basicly saying "If I can't have it no body can."

Yeah, no. Your choice still involves FORCING a woman to go through a pregnancy they do not want. Your 'choice' still involves nine months of pregnancy, a shot at losing her job, the medical bills that will need to be paid to care for her and the baby, the possible complications of the pregnancy - such as, you know, death. And all of that for a child the woman does NOT want. Your idea of a choice is what's truly selfish.

Also, there are already so many parentless children in the world, and you'd still rather have the Adoption System get even more children? I mean, adoption isn't sunshine and butterflies coated in honey. And neither are foster homes. In fact, the system is kinda screwed up. Adding more children to it will only make matters worse.

 

[ServebotFrank]

Marijauna Legalization.

 

[aashell13]

Eh, I'm not much on debating for it's own sake. I would rather have a natural conversation, and if debate arises in the course of that, so be it. But since you insist:

Theorem: In any sufficiently large internet forum, trolling and flame wars are inevitable. Therefore, attempting reasonable and serious discussion in open forums is futile.

Request: Demonstrate the falsity of the above.

 

[Woodsey]

Do you think feminists are sexist, or just trying to make up for lost years that were in the kitchen with the atomic family?

By definition, a feminist is someone who wants women to have equal rights to men. If they're sexist, they aren't actual feminists.

Uh, I shouldn't look at these threads. I always end up answering loads of questions for the hell of it.

Then how come they get made when I open the door for them? :c
Also, that's half the fun of it c:

Well I don't know, why are you letting them out of the kitchen to begin with?

 

[Ziggy]

Go ahead, I double-dare you.

humans are stupid and needs to be controled

 

[orangeban]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

You thinking it is murder doesn't really say much. Does that mean you're pro-life? I've known people who thought it was murder but were pro-choice, because not everyone thinks the same.

I guess you're trying to debate OP but still...I'd like to learn more on this topic and challenging my own thoughts is the best way to do so, since I've never really met anyone against it.

I am pro-Life. I believe in Freedom and I wish the government had less restriction on people (I am somewhat of a LIbertarian) but you don't have the "freedom" to MURDER someone. It is just as bad as having the baby then suffocating it because you don't feel like taking care of it.

The tragic thing about death isn't the fact that they could of potentially done something but now can't. The tragic thing is that they can't do what they want anymore (e.g. you don't say, "*sniff* he could of got a wife," you say, "*sniff* he was wanted to get married one day".) Fetuses don't have brains until very late on into development, let alone wants. This also applies to the person dying (e.g. the person would only regret getting married if they entertained any thought of getting married.) so therefore we prove the fetus wouldn't really care about being aborted, seeing as they have no idea of what they could or want to do. They have no desires, so they therefore have no desires to be sad about not fufilling.

Now onto the second part of my case (the "pro-choice" bit). Here we're going to have to prioritse lifes. Which is more important I ask, a living, thinking human being (with wants and desires) or a (effectively) non-human (practicaly) non-living fetus? Remember I just showed the fetus wouldn't care about being aborted, the human does care about having a baby. Now, having a baby is a life-changing event. For teenagers who accidentaly have had a baby it can completely de-rail their desires (there's that word again) for life. Is it right to put the rights of the non-living fetus before the very much alive human? Remember, both their lives are at stake, only the fetus doesn't care about its.

You might say, why can't the pregant person put the baby up for adoption? The problem here is you can only do that once the baby has been born. At that point the baby is just that, a baby. A fully living human being. For many people parting with the little lump of cells that's been feeding off them for 9 months can be difficult for them. They feel obliged to look after a baby that they would truly rather not look after. Abortion can remove the baby from the pregnant person before the attachment becomes to strong, thus keeping the pregant persons life on track with their plans. Thought I'm not in anyway saying we should do it for them, no matter what they want. Abortion isn't a particularly nice thing and we want the pregnant person to be fully aware of what it entails, the consequences and what it really means. It's all about choice.

You are cheating the baby out of the ability to breath for the first time. You are cheating it out of taking it's first breath. Abortion is STEALING LIFE. It is infact just as bad as murder. Also by the way you describe new born would not "care" either because it can't comprehend such things. So that would mean that it is okay if you kill your baby when it first comes out.

No, it's not okay to kill the baby as it comes out because at that point the whole is it living, is it human thing becomes a lot more controversial and unclear. Also, you have the alternative of giving the baby away for adoption.
And go back to my earlier point, you have to have priorities. You've got to choose the unwillingly pregnant woman or the fetus in terms of whose life you ruin.

As I said to the other guy just read my response to mr somewhere.

"That is actually a very reasonable arguement. Though of course I have to argue it. I think that choice should be adoption. Rather then take away your babies chance at life give them a different one. Some say that many women would rather abort their baby then wait a while then part with it once you get attached. But that is extremely selfish in my mind. They are basicly saying "If I can't have it no body can""

Thanks for your reasonable response, very good of you. The adoption thing is a very tricky thing, an even more confusing region of the whole abortion debate. Now, not saying adoption is bad or anything but firstly consider my point that the woman feels obliged to take in the baby after having it for 9 months, against what's best for her and abortion allows her to make a clear choice without emotions clouding her vision. Also, in many places, the child care systems quality is... suspect. Though that in itself is not necersarrily a reason to choose abortion instead. You have to take a combination and even then have a long, hard think.

EDIT: Oh yeah *facepalm* forgot about how pregnancy is pretty tough for reasons people above have mentioned. My bad there.

Man, thank goodness I'm both male and gay and therefore shouldn't be in a position to make this decision, or be the partner of the person making that decision.

 

[Knife]

Here's a debate topic:
Convince me that Hitler was right.
Your move.

http://www.explosm.net/comics/2242/

 

[Teh Ty]

Do you think feminists are sexist, or just trying to make up for lost years that were in the kitchen with the atomic family?

By definition, a feminist is someone who wants women to have equal rights to men. If they're sexist, they aren't actual feminists.

Uh, I shouldn't look at these threads. I always end up answering loads of questions for the hell of it.

Then how come they get made when I open the door for them? :c
Also, that's half the fun of it c:

Well I don't know, why are you letting them out of the kitchen to begin with?

Iunno. Fun, I guess. Doesn;t give them an excuse for being a dick. :/

 

[warprincenataku]

This isn't really a debate much as it's an opinion thread.

What's your thoughts on X?

Oh yeah, well I think your thoughts on X are stupid!

That's a debate.

 

[Woodsey]

Do you think feminists are sexist, or just trying to make up for lost years that were in the kitchen with the atomic family?

By definition, a feminist is someone who wants women to have equal rights to men. If they're sexist, they aren't actual feminists.

Uh, I shouldn't look at these threads. I always end up answering loads of questions for the hell of it.

Then how come they get made when I open the door for them? :c
Also, that's half the fun of it c:

Well I don't know, why are you letting them out of the kitchen to begin with?

Iunno. Fun, I guess. Doesn;t give them an excuse for being a dick. :/

Well that's what happens when you disrupt the natural order of things.

 

[maninahat]

I want to debate with you about something: why on Earth would you specify that you're a girl? Maybe if somebody asked you to debate something around sexuality or birth control, but if I want to hear your opinion on something like how effective Quick Time Events are in gaming then it makes absolutely NO difference.

I wonder if you would have asked the same question if the title was "Debate a guy with anything". I don't think it matters at all, and doesn't need thinking about.

 

[orangeban]

This isn't really a debate much as it's an opinion thread.

What's your thoughts on X?

Oh yeah, well I think your thoughts on X are stupid!

That's a debate.

Oh yeah? Well, you're an idiot! Debates are where you have to lick ice-cream of a pavement faster than your opponants dog! Geez, some people have really stupid thoughts.

 

[MikeOfThunder]

Go ahead, I double-dare you.

I was orginally going to ask: What is your opinion on the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during world war two... BUT INSTEAD, this is my statement:

Harry Potter is fucking AWESOME. Your move.

The first few installements (books or movies, though I haven't read the last 2 books) were good in that they focused on the setting and the weird and wonderful world of Hogwarts. However, in the later ones I found the focus shifting to the darker and more serious plot, which I think made the series as a whole suffer. I went into the later books hoping for more insight into the crazy magic world and was very disappointed.

Really? I found that each book/film matched the age I was at the time. Being 21, I grew up as pretty much the same age as the main cast. I love all of them but I thought the turn to a more 'darker' magic world was a brilliant move by Rowling. The last film was also my favourite! Although I can understand how it loses that 'wonderous magical charm' in favour of a more dark and serious role.

 

[ImSkeletor]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

You thinking it is murder doesn't really say much. Does that mean you're pro-life? I've known people who thought it was murder but were pro-choice, because not everyone thinks the same.

I guess you're trying to debate OP but still...I'd like to learn more on this topic and challenging my own thoughts is the best way to do so, since I've never really met anyone against it.

I am pro-Life. I believe in Freedom and I wish the government had less restriction on people (I am somewhat of a LIbertarian) but you don't have the "freedom" to MURDER someone. It is just as bad as having the baby then suffocating it because you don't feel like taking care of it.

Hey you've not quite finished the maxim you live by:

Try"

Liberty is sovereign, but only when it does not restrict liberty in itself



Now, let's consider liberty itself. Can a foetus have liberty? No, it's not rational, it is literally just an object with potential. If it's murder to not allow a potential person to be, then it's murder to not have as many babies as humanly possible.

So, when does one draw the line, as a baby isn't rational, yet I still think you shouldn't kill born babies? that's the important question.

For now I'll say, that you can't be libertarian and want to restrict women from aborting, as it's..



AHA!*moment of clarity*

As it's part of the woman's body before birth, we can consider it under the moral and liberal responsibility of the woman it's attached to. It's in her domain. Once it leaves the body, it's no longer part of her, hence subject to different rights. By god, I've cracked it after years of cognitive dissonance..

Umm No. Your comment is so non sensical that it mocks itself. So thank you for doing your Job for me. But I will humor you. So apparently killing something that is part of you is okay. So if I had a twin who was attatched to me and needed me to survive. I could murder him because he is just a part of me. "NO" you say. You say that the this twin is a seperate entity who just relies on the other. But hmmm what is that like. Oh I don't know. A fetus living in it's mothers womb.

The twin has its own rationality, hence, is entitled to liberty

Ball's in your court, keep the ad-hominem's out this time thanks.

Just read the response I made to mr Somewhere. Sorry about that piss poor arguement I just made. I was just kind of annoyed.

That's.. big of you. But, my point still stands.

From one libertarian to another, ok? (Sovereignty of reason)

Assuming that we follow the maxim I set out, of sovereignty of liberty unless it imposes on the domain of another's liberty, is my argument for abortion not sound?

I may be appealing to consequences, but to go so far as to say that the foetus itself is potential life, and that not allowing that potential to flourish is tantamount to murder (This is what I read from you, ok?)

Then, why doesn't the sperm count? or the egg? or the act of sex? or the act of life, in which one of its own purposes is to produce more babies? I think, that pro-life is the ultimate anti-libertarian view, simply because its premises when followed, to the absolute extreme of themselves, destroy liberty totally, and absolutely.

What do you think? Are you just, not a libertarian? (Completely fine, but it would be kind of moot otherwise)

You know I like to think of myself as a big enough person to say when I don't know something and here that is really the case. My fundemental morals are conflicting with my beliefs about society and government. Usually they match but in this case they are really on apposing sides here. I can only chose one and that is a hard choice to make. My two strongest beliefs are "Freedom" and "the conservation of all forms of human life". And I can't make that decision right now. So, as said before, I don't know. Thank you for having this conversation and Im glad you are so sure in your beliefs.

 

[orangeban]

Go ahead, I double-dare you.

I was orginally going to ask: What is your opinion on the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during world war two... BUT INSTEAD, this is my statement:

Harry Potter is fucking AWESOME. Your move.

The first few installements (books or movies, though I haven't read the last 2 books) were good in that they focused on the setting and the weird and wonderful world of Hogwarts. However, in the later ones I found the focus shifting to the darker and more serious plot, which I think made the series as a whole suffer. I went into the later books hoping for more insight into the crazy magic world and was very disappointed.

Really? I found that each book/film matched the age I was at the time. Being 21, I grew up as pretty much the same age as the main cast. I love all of them but I thought the turn to a more 'darker' magic world was a brilliant move by Rowling. The last film was also my favourite! Although I can understand how it loses that 'wonderous magical charm' in favour of a more dark and serious role.

Well, it really does come down to opinion on whether or not you like the darker bit or not.
However, in one respect they are indeed fucking AWESOME, in that they convinced thousands of kids to read. Hats off to Rowling, that was a truly great achievement.

 

[orangeban]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

You thinking it is murder doesn't really say much. Does that mean you're pro-life? I've known people who thought it was murder but were pro-choice, because not everyone thinks the same.

I guess you're trying to debate OP but still...I'd like to learn more on this topic and challenging my own thoughts is the best way to do so, since I've never really met anyone against it.

I am pro-Life. I believe in Freedom and I wish the government had less restriction on people (I am somewhat of a LIbertarian) but you don't have the "freedom" to MURDER someone. It is just as bad as having the baby then suffocating it because you don't feel like taking care of it.

Hey you've not quite finished the maxim you live by:

Try"

Liberty is sovereign, but only when it does not restrict liberty in itself



Now, let's consider liberty itself. Can a foetus have liberty? No, it's not rational, it is literally just an object with potential. If it's murder to not allow a potential person to be, then it's murder to not have as many babies as humanly possible.

So, when does one draw the line, as a baby isn't rational, yet I still think you shouldn't kill born babies? that's the important question.

For now I'll say, that you can't be libertarian and want to restrict women from aborting, as it's..



AHA!*moment of clarity*

As it's part of the woman's body before birth, we can consider it under the moral and liberal responsibility of the woman it's attached to. It's in her domain. Once it leaves the body, it's no longer part of her, hence subject to different rights. By god, I've cracked it after years of cognitive dissonance..

Umm No. Your comment is so non sensical that it mocks itself. So thank you for doing your Job for me. But I will humor you. So apparently killing something that is part of you is okay. So if I had a twin who was attatched to me and needed me to survive. I could murder him because he is just a part of me. "NO" you say. You say that the this twin is a seperate entity who just relies on the other. But hmmm what is that like. Oh I don't know. A fetus living in it's mothers womb.

The twin has its own rationality, hence, is entitled to liberty

Ball's in your court, keep the ad-hominem's out this time thanks.

Just read the response I made to mr Somewhere. Sorry about that piss poor arguement I just made. I was just kind of annoyed.

That's.. big of you. But, my point still stands.

From one libertarian to another, ok? (Sovereignty of reason)

Assuming that we follow the maxim I set out, of sovereignty of liberty unless it imposes on the domain of another's liberty, is my argument for abortion not sound?

I may be appealing to consequences, but to go so far as to say that the foetus itself is potential life, and that not allowing that potential to flourish is tantamount to murder (This is what I read from you, ok?)

Then, why doesn't the sperm count? or the egg? or the act of sex? or the act of life, in which one of its own purposes is to produce more babies? I think, that pro-life is the ultimate anti-libertarian view, simply because its premises when followed, to the absolute extreme of themselves, destroy liberty totally, and absolutely.

What do you think? Are you just, not a libertarian? (Completely fine, but it would be kind of moot otherwise)

You know I like to think of myself as a big enough person to say when I don't know something and here that is really the case. My fundemental morals are conflicting with my beliefs about society and government. Usually they match but in this case they are really on apposing sides here. I can only chose one and that is a hard choice to make. My two strongest beliefs are "Freedom" and "the conservation of all forms of human life". And I can't make that decision right now. So, as said before, I don't know. Thank you for having this conversation and Im glad you are so sure in your beliefs.

Ow, a nasty position to be in. Though in a way you could mesh your morals and political view on this occasion. Really, abortion is about choosing the freedom of the parent, or the freedom of the child. I assume we all like freedom here, and you can support that from either side of the debate.