Debate a girl about anything! I will debate you!

[Tharwen]

Why is the tadpole?

 

[Baneat]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

You thinking it is murder doesn't really say much. Does that mean you're pro-life? I've known people who thought it was murder but were pro-choice, because not everyone thinks the same.

I guess you're trying to debate OP but still...I'd like to learn more on this topic and challenging my own thoughts is the best way to do so, since I've never really met anyone against it.

I am pro-Life. I believe in Freedom and I wish the government had less restriction on people (I am somewhat of a LIbertarian) but you don't have the "freedom" to MURDER someone. It is just as bad as having the baby then suffocating it because you don't feel like taking care of it.

Hey you've not quite finished the maxim you live by:

Try"

Liberty is sovereign, but only when it does not restrict liberty in itself



Now, let's consider liberty itself. Can a foetus have liberty? No, it's not rational, it is literally just an object with potential. If it's murder to not allow a potential person to be, then it's murder to not have as many babies as humanly possible.

So, when does one draw the line, as a baby isn't rational, yet I still think you shouldn't kill born babies? that's the important question.

For now I'll say, that you can't be libertarian and want to restrict women from aborting, as it's..



AHA!*moment of clarity*

As it's part of the woman's body before birth, we can consider it under the moral and liberal responsibility of the woman it's attached to. It's in her domain. Once it leaves the body, it's no longer part of her, hence subject to different rights. By god, I've cracked it after years of cognitive dissonance..

 

[Stephanos132]

Why do you feel the need to state being female as a platform for a differing viewpoint when many females (and yourself, I imagine) have set a long term goal of general equality with males?

 

[kittii-chan 300]

Inquiry: How would you being a female color my decision to debate you?

damn nija'd a hundred messages early

 

[Shirokurou]

What Christianity isn't the only religion? Great Scot, when did this happen?

That too. Certain religions were also born of people explaining the world. Although I think that they developed in much a similar manner as to how I described. Some kid asked his parents why the sun rises and sets each day and they make ups some tale to answer it. Kid takes it as fact and several generations later everyone believes it.

Another important point. The first 2 holders of power in a cave-man society were the Chief and the Shaman.
Hell look at what Mayans and Aztec made out of a religion with it's massive sacrifices. There were like a 100 prisoners lined up for having their heart cut out by one priest. They could've like rebelled and took him down 100 to 1. But dying as sacrifice meant "heaven" so they just went on as nice little sheep to a slaughter.
Also the Pope could routinely send whole countries on crusades for the sake "spreading the faith", while actually claiming land.

I'm glad those times are long gone... Well mostly. I surprised religion is even around nowadays with it's God-centric worldview...

Nice conversation we're having though I think any one of us is a girl.

 

[Iwana Humpalot]

Why do you crave attention so much?

i was ninjad by this, i was going for something like "i argue that you are an attention whore by specifying your gender in the thread title. debate me!" though the guy i quoted was more...tactful^^

I third this

Aren't genders the same except for sex organs? Why do we have to make a war about it instead of just accepting that we're both stupid and intelligent and have faults? Do we need to resort to bra burning and sports to show this one uping?

Can i anwser? Ofc i can, this is the internet (silly me ^^)1. No we aren't the same expect for sex organs, it should be clear to anybody whit some basic knowledge of humanbiology. 2. We are douchebags whit nuclear weapons and oil, what do u expect? 3. I'm up for it?! Whos whit me?

And now since this thread has been infected by ponies, i shall make a long facepalm and then cry myself to sleep.

 

[feauxx]

Okay then. I believe Feminnism is a redundant name, since it implies fighting only for Women´s equal rights in society, not men´s. Equalists would be better. Don´t you agree?

i agree that it would be much better to fight for a whole bunch of equality at the same time, but the problem there is getting everyone to agree on all fronts.

 

[orangeban]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

You thinking it is murder doesn't really say much. Does that mean you're pro-life? I've known people who thought it was murder but were pro-choice, because not everyone thinks the same.

I guess you're trying to debate OP but still...I'd like to learn more on this topic and challenging my own thoughts is the best way to do so, since I've never really met anyone against it.

I am pro-Life. I believe in Freedom and I wish the government had less restriction on people (I am somewhat of a LIbertarian) but you don't have the "freedom" to MURDER someone. It is just as bad as having the baby then suffocating it because you don't feel like taking care of it.

The tragic thing about death isn't the fact that they could of potentially done something but now can't. The tragic thing is that they can't do what they want anymore (e.g. you don't say, "*sniff* he could of got a wife," you say, "*sniff* he was wanted to get married one day".) Fetuses don't have brains until very late on into development, let alone wants. This also applies to the person dying (e.g. the person would only regret getting married if they entertained any thought of getting married.) so therefore we prove the fetus wouldn't really care about being aborted, seeing as they have no idea of what they could or want to do. They have no desires, so they therefore have no desires to be sad about not fufilling.

Now onto the second part of my case (the "pro-choice" bit). Here we're going to have to prioritse lifes. Which is more important I ask, a living, thinking human being (with wants and desires) or a (effectively) non-human (practicaly) non-living fetus? Remember I just showed the fetus wouldn't care about being aborted, the human does care about having a baby. Now, having a baby is a life-changing event. For teenagers who accidentaly have had a baby it can completely de-rail their desires (there's that word again) for life. Is it right to put the rights of the non-living fetus before the very much alive human? Remember, both their lives are at stake, only the fetus doesn't care about its.

You might say, why can't the pregant person put the baby up for adoption? The problem here is you can only do that once the baby has been born. At that point the baby is just that, a baby. A fully living human being. For many people parting with the little lump of cells that's been feeding off them for 9 months can be difficult for them. They feel obliged to look after a baby that they would truly rather not look after. Abortion can remove the baby from the pregnant person before the attachment becomes to strong, thus keeping the pregant persons life on track with their plans. Thought I'm not in anyway saying we should do it for them, no matter what they want. Abortion isn't a particularly nice thing and we want the pregnant person to be fully aware of what it entails, the consequences and what it really means. It's all about choice.

 

[ImSkeletor]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

You thinking it is murder doesn't really say much. Does that mean you're pro-life? I've known people who thought it was murder but were pro-choice, because not everyone thinks the same.

I guess you're trying to debate OP but still...I'd like to learn more on this topic and challenging my own thoughts is the best way to do so, since I've never really met anyone against it.

I am pro-Life. I believe in Freedom and I wish the government had less restriction on people (I am somewhat of a LIbertarian) but you don't have the "freedom" to MURDER someone. It is just as bad as having the baby then suffocating it because you don't feel like taking care of it.

Hey you've not quite finished the maxim you live by:

Try"

Liberty is sovereign, but only when it does not restrict liberty in itself



Now, let's consider liberty itself. Can a foetus have liberty? No, it's not rational, it is literally just an object with potential. If it's murder to not allow a potential person to be, then it's murder to not have as many babies as humanly possible.

So, when does one draw the line, as a baby isn't rational, yet I still think you shouldn't kill born babies? that's the important question.

For now I'll say, that you can't be libertarian and want to restrict women from aborting, as it's..



AHA!*moment of clarity*

As it's part of the woman's body before birth, we can consider it under the moral and liberal responsibility of the woman it's attached to. It's in her domain. Once it leaves the body, it's no longer part of her, hence subject to different rights. By god, I've cracked it after years of cognitive dissonance..

Umm No. Your comment is so non sensical that it mocks itself. So thank you for doing your Job for me. But I will humor you. So apparently killing something that is part of you is okay. So if I had a twin who was attatched to me and needed me to survive. I could murder him because he is just a part of me. "NO" you say. You say that the this twin is a seperate entity who just relies on the other. But hmmm what is that like. Oh I don't know. A fetus living in it's mothers womb.

 

[Futurenerd]

Here's a debate topic:
Convince me that Hitler was right.
Your move.

 

[InsomniJack]

K, I've got something:

Why should I bother debating with you? Give me at least three good reasons why.

 

[ImSkeletor]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

You thinking it is murder doesn't really say much. Does that mean you're pro-life? I've known people who thought it was murder but were pro-choice, because not everyone thinks the same.

I guess you're trying to debate OP but still...I'd like to learn more on this topic and challenging my own thoughts is the best way to do so, since I've never really met anyone against it.

I am pro-Life. I believe in Freedom and I wish the government had less restriction on people (I am somewhat of a LIbertarian) but you don't have the "freedom" to MURDER someone. It is just as bad as having the baby then suffocating it because you don't feel like taking care of it.

The tragic thing about death isn't the fact that they could of potentially done something but now can't. The tragic thing is that they can't do what they want anymore (e.g. you don't say, "*sniff* he could of got a wife," you say, "*sniff* he was wanted to get married one day".) Fetuses don't have brains until very late on into development, let alone wants. This also applies to the person dying (e.g. the person would only regret getting married if they entertained any thought of getting married.) so therefore we prove the fetus wouldn't really care about being aborted, seeing as they have no idea of what they could or want to do. They have no desires, so they therefore have no desires to be sad about not fufilling.

Now onto the second part of my case (the "pro-choice" bit). Here we're going to have to prioritse lifes. Which is more important I ask, a living, thinking human being (with wants and desires) or a (effectively) non-human (practicaly) non-living fetus? Remember I just showed the fetus wouldn't care about being aborted, the human does care about having a baby. Now, having a baby is a life-changing event. For teenagers who accidentaly have had a baby it can completely de-rail their desires (there's that word again) for life. Is it right to put the rights of the non-living fetus before the very much alive human? Remember, both their lives are at stake, only the fetus doesn't care about its.

You might say, why can't the pregant person put the baby up for adoption? The problem here is you can only do that once the baby has been born. At that point the baby is just that, a baby. A fully living human being. For many people parting with the little lump of cells that's been feeding off them for 9 months can be difficult for them. They feel obliged to look after a baby that they would truly rather not look after. Abortion can remove the baby from the pregnant person before the attachment becomes to strong, thus keeping the pregant persons life on track with their plans. Thought I'm not in anyway saying we should do it for them, no matter what they want. Abortion isn't a particularly nice thing and we want the pregnant person to be fully aware of what it entails, the consequences and what it really means. It's all about choice.

You are cheating the baby out of the ability to breath for the first time. You are cheating it out of taking it's first breath. Abortion is STEALING LIFE. It is infact just as bad as murder. Also by the way you describe new born would not "care" either because it can't comprehend such things. So that would mean that it is okay if you kill your baby when it first comes out.

 

[Scorched_Cascade]

Here's a debate topic:
Convince me that Hitler was right.
Your move.

*Shifty eyes* *Looks left* *Looks right* Aha I found a loophole! Hitler was right in that Blitzkrieg was the correct military tactic for Germany to proceed with at the time. It allowed them to swiftly overwhelm one opponent before they could react thus negating the stranglehold their enemies had around them and ensuring they were not fighting on too many fronts at one time.

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

How come women wear seductive clothing like low cut cock tail dresses and high heels and then complain when they get oogled at a bar. If you look fine damn right I'm gonna give you a peak, might even drop a flurtatious word on you. Then I'm a pig, becuase your dressed like that. Give me a break. Your turn. Also the double standard about men being awsome for getting ladies and women being looked down on for getting with a bunch of dudes is for the better of the human race. I await your rebuttle.

No, but seriously I agree with you. Dave Chapelle was talking about women who dress in seductive clothing and it came down to, "Yeah okay, just because you wear that doesn't mean you're a whore, but you are wearing the uniform of one." If women don't want to be oogled all the time, then don't wear such seductive clothing. Some guys are gonna oogle no matter what, but those guys are pigs.

 

[orangeban]

Here's a debate topic:
Convince me that Hitler was right.
Your move.

*Shifty eyes* *Looks left* *Looks right* Aha I found a loophole! Hitler was right in that Blitzkrieg was the correct military tactic for Germany to proceed with at the time. It allowed them to swiftly overwhelm one opponent before they could react thus negating the stranglehold their enemies had around them and ensuring they were not fighting on too many fronts at one time.

Also; Hitler managed to stimulate the effectively collapsed German economy into an incredible power. *sigh* if only all countries could do as Hitler did... Wait no! That came out wrong!

 

[Futurenerd]

Here's a debate topic:
Convince me that Hitler was right.
Your move.

*Shifty eyes* *Looks left* *Looks right* Aha I found a loophole! Hitler was right in that Blitzkrieg was the correct military tactic for Germany to proceed with at the time. It allowed them to swiftly overwhelm one opponent before they could react thus negating the stranglehold their enemies had around them and ensuring they were not fighting on too many fronts at one time.

You are truly a worthy opponent.
http://www.woosk.com/2009/04/hard-clap.html
(I always fail at embedding images. I'm not even going to try.)

 

[orangeban]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

You thinking it is murder doesn't really say much. Does that mean you're pro-life? I've known people who thought it was murder but were pro-choice, because not everyone thinks the same.

I guess you're trying to debate OP but still...I'd like to learn more on this topic and challenging my own thoughts is the best way to do so, since I've never really met anyone against it.

I am pro-Life. I believe in Freedom and I wish the government had less restriction on people (I am somewhat of a LIbertarian) but you don't have the "freedom" to MURDER someone. It is just as bad as having the baby then suffocating it because you don't feel like taking care of it.

The tragic thing about death isn't the fact that they could of potentially done something but now can't. The tragic thing is that they can't do what they want anymore (e.g. you don't say, "*sniff* he could of got a wife," you say, "*sniff* he was wanted to get married one day".) Fetuses don't have brains until very late on into development, let alone wants. This also applies to the person dying (e.g. the person would only regret getting married if they entertained any thought of getting married.) so therefore we prove the fetus wouldn't really care about being aborted, seeing as they have no idea of what they could or want to do. They have no desires, so they therefore have no desires to be sad about not fufilling.

Now onto the second part of my case (the "pro-choice" bit). Here we're going to have to prioritse lifes. Which is more important I ask, a living, thinking human being (with wants and desires) or a (effectively) non-human (practicaly) non-living fetus? Remember I just showed the fetus wouldn't care about being aborted, the human does care about having a baby. Now, having a baby is a life-changing event. For teenagers who accidentaly have had a baby it can completely de-rail their desires (there's that word again) for life. Is it right to put the rights of the non-living fetus before the very much alive human? Remember, both their lives are at stake, only the fetus doesn't care about its.

You might say, why can't the pregant person put the baby up for adoption? The problem here is you can only do that once the baby has been born. At that point the baby is just that, a baby. A fully living human being. For many people parting with the little lump of cells that's been feeding off them for 9 months can be difficult for them. They feel obliged to look after a baby that they would truly rather not look after. Abortion can remove the baby from the pregnant person before the attachment becomes to strong, thus keeping the pregant persons life on track with their plans. Thought I'm not in anyway saying we should do it for them, no matter what they want. Abortion isn't a particularly nice thing and we want the pregnant person to be fully aware of what it entails, the consequences and what it really means. It's all about choice.

You are cheating the baby out of the ability to breath for the first time. You are cheating it out of taking it's first breath. Abortion is STEALING LIFE. It is infact just as bad as murder. Also by the way you describe new born would not "care" either because it can't comprehend such things. So that would mean that it is okay if you kill your baby when it first comes out.

No, it's not okay to kill the baby as it comes out because at that point the whole is it living, is it human thing becomes a lot more controversial and unclear. Also, you have the alternative of giving the baby away for adoption.
And go back to my earlier point, you have to have priorities. You've got to choose the unwillingly pregnant woman or the fetus in terms of whose life you ruin.

 

[Leemaster777]

Maracas are the greatest instrument known to man. Debate me on this.

I have proof that they are:

 

[Mr Somewhere]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

You thinking it is murder doesn't really say much. Does that mean you're pro-life? I've known people who thought it was murder but were pro-choice, because not everyone thinks the same.

I guess you're trying to debate OP but still...I'd like to learn more on this topic and challenging my own thoughts is the best way to do so, since I've never really met anyone against it.

I am pro-Life. I believe in Freedom and I wish the government had less restriction on people (I am somewhat of a LIbertarian) but you don't have the "freedom" to MURDER someone. It is just as bad as having the baby then suffocating it because you don't feel like taking care of it.

Well, current abortion law limits the time you can have an abortion as to limit the suffering of the fetus. Note I say fetus, not baby, because at that point the things is just cells, has not nervous system and no self awareness. Although that is really beside the point, as I also believe taking life is wrong. What I am interested in is your opinions with unjust pregnancies. Like say a woman is raped and gets pregnant. She would be forced to have that baby. Teenage mothers? Ever statistic in the world shows that teenage parents have a significantly worse life than those who have children later. A pregnancy isn't just about the baby, it's about the parents too.

If it occures from rape AND they do it before the point when all the organs are developed it is up to them. Teenaged mothers should not murder their fetuses. They made the choice unlike women who are raped. Also even though it may not feel yet you are stripping it of the ability to grow and eventually feel. It is only slightly less terrible.

But if the child was never intended, aren't you worsening the existence of the mother and presumably the father too? Should the parents not come first? Accidents happen. You only live once, sometimes one doesn't want the burden of children to hamper their existence. Why should they tolerate a child when it could lead to a miserable existence for both the parents and child?
Happiness is key in our world, a mistake should not nullify that.
I believe people should at least have a choice. Rather than strip them of the choice due to some moral crusaders, we shouldn't force our own opinions down one another's throats and make them law (to an extent of course).
Live and let live I say.
Keep in mind these are all totally personal beliefs, just for the debate and all that.