Define "A Well Writen Gay Character" in Gaming.

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BathorysGraveland

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Does homosexual antagonists count?

I think Dethmold, I believe the name was, in The Witcher 2 was a good antagonist, and he was gay. He is the kind of antagonist that makes you utterly despise the guy because he is a an absolute bastard. So I thought he was a pretty good character all in all.
 

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Fieldy409 said:
Ive noticed whenever a character is gay in a game they are pretty good guys. Like in our desire to be non discriminatory we put gay people on a pedestal when we should be treating them as equals. But a gay person can also be a bad person, just like a straight person can be bad. Imagine if the villain was gay. Right now that would probably rustle a lot of peoples jimmies.
Girahim from skyward sword is a bad guy and gay as well.
I am not saying hes a good character, hes a terrible stereotype of a gay person and his personally consists of:
Is Bad
Is Gay
But it is a bad gay character, just wanted to say that.
 

Knight Captain Kerr

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Arcade and Veronica in Fallout New Vegas.

You shouldn't write a good gay character. Write a good character who is gay. Same goes for sex and race. They aren't really that important when it comes to who you are.
 

lord canti

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TizzytheTormentor said:
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Personally I think Kanji from Persona 4 is one of the best written characters I've seen.
This, not only was a great part of his character (His social link is awesome) It is also funny as hell!
Yosuke: "Hey, Kanji..."
Kanji: "Yeah?"
Yosuke: Are we gonna be safe sleeping here with you tonight?"
Kanji: "What?"
I was surprised with how well done the whole thing was. It wasn't just this a gay character and that's all. They dived fully into his psychology and what he was going through coming to terms with who he was. It also didn't seem forced either, everything with him was there for a reason. I also really like how they handled Naoto as well.
 

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Knight Captain Kerr said:
Arcade and Veronica in Fallout New Vegas.

You shouldn't write a good gay character. Write a good character who is gay. Same goes for sex and race. They aren't really that important when it comes to who you are.
I don't see him as gay. Is he incredibly flamboyant? yes, but I don't remember anything that actually said he was gay.
 

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A well written gay character is one who isn't written as gay. They're a good character who happens to be gay and while its a big part of them its not their only aspect.
 

Knight Captain Kerr

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lord canti said:
I don't see him as gay. Is he incredibly flamboyant? yes, but I don't remember anything that actually said he was gay.
?Why hasn?t some lucky man scooped this bachelor off his feet?"
 

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Cortez seems like a good example. Any more than that, and it just feels like the character is going "Look at me! I'm in a video game and I'm gay! ACKNOWLEDGE MEEEEEE!!!"
 

lord canti

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.....Huh well that on is kind of hard to argue with. Still doesn't mean he's necessarily gay but with all his actions and personality you really cant deny it.
 

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Well, let's state at first that for a well-written character it doesn't matter whether he/she/anything in between is of a certain race or of a certain gender. The only thing that matters is: How do you use that fact?

Kanji from Persona 4 isn't a well-written character because he's gay. He's a well-written character because the fact that he's gay is used to give him massive amounts of depth. How does society view him? How does he view himself? What is doing about a possible discrepancy? Does he accept it and go into hiding or does he flaunt it, not taking shit from anyone?

In short, a well-written gay character is a character you can relate to, no matter whether you are straight or gay or whatever yourself.

That being said, having a decent character and then blu tack TEH GHEY onto him isn't exactly the way to go either :/
Make it meaningful or don't mention any sexuality at all.
 

Knight Captain Kerr

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You can also use Confirmed Bachelor perk to recruit him.
http://youtu.be/U-lFJTUFiro?t=1m55s

On top of that Joshua Eric Sawyer who wrote him has said so a number of times..
 

roushutsu

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Totally agree on Persona 4's Kanji. His sexuality is addressed, but that wasn't all he had going for him. It was a facet of his overall character, and in the end he's pretty badass.

It really helped with how Atlus approached Kanji's personal hell when he was thrown in the TV. Kanji's shadow portrayed as the stereotypical gay man throws us off guard since it contrasted with his tough image, and even the stereotypical image is thrown off as he starts asking tough questions and challenging the preconceptions. I quote, "They look at me like some disgusting thing and say that I'm a weirdo! What does it mean to be a guy? What does it mean to be manly? Accept me for who I am!" Damn did that make me stop and applaud, and I love it when games do that.
 

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Pretty much what everyone else said.

For all we know, any character whose sexuality is not explicitly portrayed in story (by actually referring to a significant other, as in the Cortez example) could go either way. Although statistically the odds are more in favor of hetero, there should be no way to tell without context... just like in real life.
 

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Some people have said that a well written gay character is just a well written character that's gay, which would be true in an ideal world, but I think given our current societal circumstances, gay characters need to be a little more than just that.

Essentially, what I think you need, is of course a generally interesting character, but you need to not overemphasize the fact that he/she is gay. Because then you usually end up with a character whose single notable feature is that they're gay, and everything relates to that, or is lost amongst it.

But having said that, if you avoid really relating to the fact that they're gay, and just make it known that he/she is, then you run into the problem of tokenism. An example of that is with the whole "dumbledore is gay" thing. It's never really hinted at in the books, and announcing after everything is finished is kind of irrelevant, and achieves nothing.

Cortez is a good example, because they found a balance. He's not just gay, he's also grieving and suffering from survivors guilt, and he's a great pilot, and he has a sort of antagonistic friendship with Vega, which is quite a bit of info for a relatively minor character. But they don't overplay the fact that he's gay.

Bioware have some other reasonable examples from dragon age, but I don't think they're quite as good as Cortez.
 

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ScrabbitRabbit said:
Cortez sounds like a good example to me. A well written gay character is just a well written character who happens to be gay.
This is spot on.

Cortez is a good example, if not a boring one. He's a decent enough character... I just didn't care much for him (along with many newcomers in ME3). Kanji from Persona 4 is the best example I can think of, as mentioned in the other thread.
 

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I guess it'd just be the same as a well written straight character... except with them being gay...
 

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ThePuzzldPirate said:
A well written gay character is one that when everything is said in done, being gay isn't the defining point of the character. When gay sexual preference is treated the same as straight sexual preference, that is when the good characters come out...but we have to wait till society as a whole stops finding it weird.
I see what you did there.

I sort of agree with everyone else on the whole 'a well written character who just happens to be gay' thing, but in relation to Cortez I feel the need to disagree slightly. Its probably not so much with Cortez himself, but with that audiolog of his husband. I just think its a terrible line reading, that whole 'dont use me as an anchor, promise me steve!' its the kinda thing you'd hear in Family Guy or something.

Personally, I still think its a little too in your face. Pretty much the first thing Cortez talks to you about is the fact that 'MY HUSBAND DIED!'. I mean at least Traynor never explicitly states 'I'M A LESBIAN!' its just hinted at. Unless you're playing Femshep that is.

No, I think a well written gay character should be someone who would never even realise (just like in real life) but then that would kinda defeat the point, right?
 

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ScrabbitRabbit said:
Cortez sounds like a good example to me. A well written gay character is just a well written character who happens to be gay.
This.

A gay character could be consider well written when they're orientation is organic and their character does not revolve around that fact and only that fact.

Simples.