Demon's Souls Misinformation Healing Session.

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ChrisP.Lettuce

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Well, it bothers me enough to post. As entertaining as ZP is all of the replies to his DS review have shown me that he is horribly miss-informing a lot of people. A long time ago the Lamb of God guitarist did an article in Guitar Player saying that three quarter notes was a triplet (bonus points if you're a music nerd like me) and that drove me totally insane. This makes me feel very much the same.

How would Shadow of the Colossus been recieved here if I had the first review and said "the bosses are towering skyscrapers with legs that can kill you in 1-2 hits, and you have to figure the puzzle to killing them out while on the fly, sometimes literally. If you die you have to go all the way back to the spawn point and platform for 15 minutes to make it back." Sounds similar. But it was an amazing game no? I could say it was a generic hack and slash as well cause you have a sword and a bow and stab things. But I digress.

The game is not punishing you in spirit form. When in spirit form, you have silent footsteps and are harder to detect. As well, you do improved damage.

As the "checkpoints" are concerned. ZP clearly didn't notice, or care to find, that most levels have a bridge, or a door, or something like that, that make any subsequent visits to the level faster. Usually twice as fast. In the first level, it is the lift gate. In another level, you turn off a big arrow-shooting machine and you can simply walk past it to the boss. Not checkpoints in a traditional sense, but same idea.

He didn't even explore the multiplayer options, which can also revive you, or can give you assistance with levels and bosses. His understanding of the message system was limited as well. "Slow down" the game urges. If I wrote a message about a fall fourty meters from the fall everyone that wasn't experienced would be paranoid as hell. Clicking on bloodstains will show the last 10 seconds or so of another player's death, possibly releasing hints. The Ghostly white images are other players currently in the level, but don't do anything to the NPCs in yours.

And as for him dying to the pack of dogs, or to the soldiers on the battlements I have no explaination. The dogs have never killed me even on my first play when I didn't know they were there. They come one or two at a time, if you spring in, then you get the whole pack. The soldiers are tricky if you're not using a sheild but he didn't disclose what his choice of class was. If this is where he stopped, that means he didn't give the game much of a chance at all and was rushing.

What I'm trying to say is, if you have an opportunity to rent this, or borrow it, or something, you owe it to yourself to try it out. Don't take his word alone on whether or not you're going to play it at all. Demon's Souls runs on another set of rules, and you can't just try to force your way through without accepting them. Maybe you will discover the deep challenging game that is there, or maybe you'll give up after two hours as well, but I would say you're better off trying it than not.
 

Pimppeter2

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People who get their consumer advice from Yahtzee are most likely idiots.



But to defend the guy, He only has a couple days to play a game and review it. So it is reasonable for him to dislike games like Demons souls.
 

madmatt

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I don't think people are taking his word as some sort of gospel. And even if they did it is unfair to say he was "mis-informing" people (I assume you mean mistaken rather than lying). He was telling his opinion which is as valid as yours is. You have some fair points but I think you are being a little harsh
 

Walkchalk

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Pimppeter2 said:
People who get their consumer advice from Yahtzee are most likely idiots.



But to defend the guy, He only has a couple days to play a game and review it. So it is reasonable for him to dislike games like Demons souls.
Took the words right out of my mouth. I dont think anyone in their right minds would let Yahtzee give them the final advice about whether or not to buy a game. He moreso points out all of the bad in a game than gives any real reccomendations for it. He even admitted that he likes a lot of the games he plays, though he seemingly hates them.
 

Carnagath

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Walkchalk said:
Pimppeter2 said:
People who get their consumer advice from Yahtzee are most likely idiots.



But to defend the guy, He only has a couple days to play a game and review it. So it is reasonable for him to dislike games like Demons souls.
Took the words right out of my mouth. I dont think anyone in their right minds would let Yahtzee give them the final advice about whether or not to buy a game. He moreso points out all of the bad in a game than gives any real reccomendations for it. He even admitted that he likes a lot of the games he plays, though he seemingly hates them.
If you see Yahtzee as a reviewer, he is really, really terrible. If he was an actual reviewer he would have to write apologies after almost every review for mistakes and general omissions (like many idiots at Gamespot were forced to do in the past). But he isn't, he is just a comedian. That's why he can't be held responsible and it is pointless to argue on the content of his videos. The time limitations do not apply though, I finished DS in 3 days, after I managed to come to terms with 2 facts: 1) You will be in Spirit Form 99% of the time 2) This is basically a survival horror action RPG, not a hack n' slash RPG. He failed to come to terms with these two facts, so he missed out on the best game of the new console generation and that's a shame, but that's about it.
 

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madmatt said:
I don't think people are taking his word as some sort of gospel. And even if they did it is unfair to say he was "mis-informing" people (I assume you mean mistaken rather than lying). He was telling his opinion which is as valid as yours is. You have some fair points but I think you are being a little harsh
Really? There were a great number of people who said "Wow, I was going to buy this game and now I won't" comments after that video.

I still think the major problem with the game is the instructions both in and out of game are poor/non-existant in a game that very much needs detailed direction on how things work. I had nearly finished the first world before I understood how to level up.
 

Jubbsy

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Walkchalk said:
He moreso points out all of the bad in a game than gives any real reccomendations for it. He even admitted that he likes a lot of the games he plays, though he seemingly hates them.
Your right. He plays games to find the bad in them. I think in his Duke Nukem Forever review he started talking about the good things in it, then siad that he wasn't supposed to be praising it and subsequently started talking about all the bad.

I think if you've been on the escapist for long enough you realise that Yahtzee isn't trying to give genuine advice. (Well, maybe he is... But it's not genuine advice) But for someone new to the escapist, you see that he is very popular and are inclined to believe him.

Carnagath was right, he is a comedian. Although, in his defence, when he's contacted about things like this, he has been known to make secondary videos explaining his dicisions, choices and opinnions.
 

aPod

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And maybe the guy just didnt like the game.

Not everyone likes everything everyone else does. For instance, i really like Jager... but most people i know hate it. Go figure.

Honestly though, no checkpoints... that shit pisses me off... especially if its like your 5 or 6th go at it... at that point i say f' it, and go drink or something... So i avoid games likes demon souls because i do things when im drunk that i'd rather not have done.
 

aPod

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Nope. And i'll tell what else, i wont feel like my life is any less complete for it.
 

videocrazy

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...Jubbsy, I seriously, seriously hope you weren't serious about the Duke Nukem bit. It doesn't exist. It was a joke.

Incidentally, something that sticks out in my mind is that he's a critic, not a reviewer. There's quite a big difference. And while his opinion does hold some sway over me, I'd look at general game info as well. A critic points out the good and bad, and tries to give you more information. And in the case of Demon's Souls, just off the top of my head, I wouldn't buy it for the same reason I wouldn't buy Alone in the Dark: I like the game to stop when I pause.

It's all subjective, remember that. While I may disagree with some of his reviews, Modern Warfare 2 (Which I thought had a pretty good story, although admittedly I haven't played the first) or TWEWY (I thought the dual screen combat worked pretty well, although it does take time with he doesn't have to get used to it.) I do frequently find myself agreeing with him. I'm not ragging on your opinions, but I thought I should say this anyways.

Incidentally, with the last few reviews, Yahtzee writes an accompanying article called Extra Punctuation. Here's the one in regards to Demon's Souls. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/6923-Extra-Punctuation-Demons-Souls
 

GloatingSwine

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My main problem with Demon's Souls (despite the awkward title) is that it's fifty quid. I'm no stranger to hard games, but I'm not paying rare-game-import prices* for a domestic release, they can cock off.

* I paid about that much for Mushihimesama Futari
 

Beartrucci

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I don't watch ZP for advice whether I should buy the game or not. I watch them for a good laugh which he delivers.

I am very annoyed that Demon's Souls isn't out in Australia. I am extremely tempted to import it and if I had the money at the moment, I definitely would.
 

wgreer25

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I'm with ZP, this game was shit. I am a 33 year old profesional. I have been gaming for 25 years. DS is one of the worst games I have ever played. It is punishing you for playing it. Yes there is a reward for the chalange kind of thing there, but it just isn't worth it. The combat mechanics are shitty, the controls are shitty, the sound is sub-par, and so are graphics are meh. I give it props for being different, but I am not a massocist. I can't devote 2 hours to a game and get nowhere and get nothing for my efforts. He is not misleading you, this is shit.
 

Nomanslander

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Gamespot gave the game game of the year award over MW2, Uncharted 2, and other RPG titles like Dragon Age so it's not like the game isn't getting any recognition...