Detractors of Final Fantasy VII: Thank You

[TheRookie8]

If find the fact that you put this much time and effort into making an overgeneralized assumption of people's opinion on a videogame to be somewhat sad.

I liked the game, and still kind of do (though I find FF12 to be more enjoyable).

 

[rob_simple]

I have never seen a single FFVII bashing thread in all my time on this site, but I see a 'FFVII BEST GAME EVAR REMAKE PLOX' thread on a website at least once a month. In conclusion, I feel you have pulled this theory right out of your arse, OP.

On t'other hand, I have noticed an irritating amount of 'Half Life isn't as good as everyone says' threads popping up lately, but I imagine if the internet had been big when the Boeing 747 went mainstream there'd have been countless threads of people saying, 'Wright brothers couldn't build a plane for shit.'

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

...
So, anyone else want to play FF VII after reading this?
I know I do. FF VII ate my childhood like a...thing that eats childhood.

Want to? I went and did it. Fired it up, played for three hours straight, and only stopped because it was 3AM by that point and I needed to go to bed. I love this game, and every time I replay it, it just reinforces it and shows me new things that I was too young to get the first time around.

 

[Erana]

That's why fans of film don't ever talk about Seven Samurai, or Casablanca or Gone with the Wind or any other old movie.
If something is considered a landmark of it's area it's going to continue to be discussed, for as long as history exists.

Get used to it.

As much as I "Meh" over the game itself and "urgh shut up! at the people who parade the game about, especially using it to try to make other, unrelated, games in the franchise look bad, this.
FF7 is going to keep being talked about because it made the 3D JRPG what it is today. And had a pretty big hand in 3D game aesthetics in general. And looking at how (straight-faced) over-the-top so many jrpgs and games in general are these days, I'd honestly like more games to go scale back down to a small enough scope that you can really get that "WOW" factor in. Its what makes me like Persona 4 more than any other JRPG I've played in years, though it admittedly is following its own series' formula and feel, which itself was developed around the same time as FF7...

And there it is, why people don't shut up about the game. Not even just the 3D thing, as I had first said. Of all the JRPGs of that era, its probably the best known. If you want to talk playstation/n64-era games, for the time period, you're talking FF7. If you want to talk about the history of JRPGs, you're talking FF7. If you want to talk about the transition of gaming from primarily 2D to 3D in PC and home console, you're talking FF7.
Its a point of reference that we all know and can look back on as much as it is a competent entry in the genre.

The raving fans and haters simply come with the utterance of the game.

 

[Luca72]

Are you saying that FFVII being heavily hyped and frequently discussed is causing some people to only contribute to the conversation about it by saying it didn't impress them?

Um... yeah, I guess that's pretty much true. How is that any different though than the people that look at Gears of War or Call of Duty and feel unimpressed by them? They're huge successes that are frequently being discussed, but since neither of them catch my interest, the only thing I can contribute to the conversation is "I don't get it".

FFVII is the same way. No game appeals to everyone, yet regardless of what type of gamer you are, you've heard of FFVII. So of course a lot of people aren't going to be into it, and they have the right to say so. And let's be honest, Square Enix hasn't done much to preserve the integrity of the game. How about the shitty movie where they removed all ambiguity about the ending and said "everything turned out fine, EVERYONE SURVIVED INCLUDING THE PEOPLE THAT GOT SPOILERED IN THE HUGE CANNON BUILDING BY THE GIANT SPOILER MONSTER, and two years later everyone decided to wear trendier outfits and have anti-gravity kung fu fights"? Or the shameless tie-in games like Dirge of Cerberus and Crisis Core that offer nothing new?

The only discussion I ever see of FFVII anymore is whether they should or shouldn't do a remake, which I'm emphatically against.

 

[The_Echo]

I'm a little strapped for time so I've just skimmed through your post. As such, feel free to take the rest of my post with a grain of salt. Pretty much the only thing I got from it was "fifteen fucking years for no goddamn reason."

While I'm sure that's a valid point, perhaps it shouldn't be the main point.

 

[lacktheknack]

On my Recently Posted front-page list:
1. An aggressive fury-rant about people still talking about FFVII.
2. FFVII Announced on PC.

It's like... fate, or something.

 

[IndomitableSam]

When it comes to threads such as this, there really is only one appropriate response, so I'll just get it out of the way. "U MAD BRO!"

I'm so sorry, I accidentally hit "report" on your post. I feel like a dick.

 

[The Artificially Prolonged]

I liked it which given how I tend to not like JRPGs is a big positive in its favour for me. Plus FF VII was when I found out that games where allowed to have swear words in them. That blew the mind of my younger self.

 

[irmasterlol]

The Legend of Dragoon was better.

When was the last time you played it? I loved TLoD with a passion for years. Plugged it in not too long ago and the nostalgia goggles died a horrifying death to the barrage of nonsensical dialogue and poor translation. That was the point I stopped loving it for what it was and started loving it for everything it could have been. Something amazing was there but parts of it got lost in translation. Seriously, if I knew how, I would go into the files of the game and just proofread the entire script. And the combat system I'd once thought was the bee's knees, I now realized was rather shallow beyond the additions themselves. Fun, but shallow.

That being said, Meru is still awesome and Demon's Gate is the craziest attack EVER. Nothing can take that away.

OT: I don't know what points everyone is missing. I get exactly where OP is coming from. The never ending cascade of smug negativity from people that claim to not care but are very vocal in their apathy whenever Final Fantasy is brought up has worn down my enjoyment of VII over the years.

It just turned the whole thing charming and campy for me. I still like it, but in a meta, ironic kind of way. I sill think the Additions system is pretty good. To date it's the only JRPG I've ever played, so I don't actually have much of a reference frame.

 

[Darkmantle]

You're tired of people..not liking FFVII and saying they didn't like it? That's nice.

Sadly it's not that people, like me, who found FFVII a little underwhelming just refused to give up. It's square hammered the fuck out of FFVII.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compilation_of_Final_Fantasy_VII

All of that, plus they put FFVII just about everywhere they could. Teased us with a remake on the PS3, bringing back to rampant childish fanboyism that really destroyed the game for many people.

>.> It wasn't us that did this to you. Square kept bring it back up. Like they're in an awkward conversation with a cute girl in a bar so they fall back on their safety net and blurt out "HEY DID YOU KNOW WE MADE FINAL FANTASY SEVEN?!"

They made something related to FF7 in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009.

I haven't heard anything about the game, or the series, since at most, 2010.

add 2012 to your list, I guess S.E. is re-releasing it on PC.

Captcha: no way


Yes way.

 

[Woodsey]

I'd rather circumcise myself with a rusty spoon than play any Final Fantasy game, if it helps.

 

[ED-Tw0 ZeRo N9nE]

Whatever, hit report if you must, doesn't scare me. I've got a clean record so far and one report isn't going to get me banned. A quick question though, did you do it because I was trolling the OP or because you're butthurt about people not liking VII? The first one is understandable but the second is just petty.

 

[xPixelatedx]

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People were upset that the series derailed so drastically from what it was before and became.. well, FF7. Had I been a fan of Final Fantasy before the PS1 era, I too might have felt that pure, endless and timeless rage that doesn't diminish. I am sure to those fans FF7 was a giant message from Square saying: "Hey guys, we know what you like and how much it has touched your lives. But screw you we are aiming at a different audience now. K, thnx bye!" I have felt that many times before, I am sure I am going to feel it when Michael Bay releases his TMNT ra.... err, reboot. FF fans have my condolences.

That said, FF7 was my first Final Fantasy game, so I had no preconceptions to stomp on and no particular hopes to crush. As such, I just f***ing loved Final Fantasy 7. It is, to this day, one of the only RPGs I ever bothered to level-max my characters and find ever secret. I loved the Background and character design. I loved the music, I loved exploring the open world, I loved seeing a (good) main character die for the first time. I loved playing games at the Golden Saucer, I loved fighting the optional (near impossible) weapon boss fights, the combat system and the summons. I have seen the complaints of the people who despise it, and I don't even disagree with all of them... but man, none of that negates all that good stuff, either XD

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I loved Final Fantasy 7 I thought it was pretty much perfect as JRPG's go. Good combat system, skill system, extra content besides the main quest, exploration, storyline.

I think maybe some of the detractors are people who didn't play it when it came out. Oh and I played FF6 when it came out too so yeah...

The only Final Fantasy I didn't like was 13 but I didn't play 11 and 12.

Oh and I'll be buying it on PC

Spoiler: Haters gonna hate

 

[Lunar Templar]

yeah? and?

tell that to the morons that still think its the best game ever made.

then, maybe

MAYBE

I'll stop picking it apart to piss them off

 

[OrpheusTelos]

I love VII.

One of the greatest games of all time. My favorite game? Heeeell no, but a damn good one.

EDIT: Quick summary of the compilation.

Advent Children: Showed how pretty Square can make things, GREAT music, awful plot.

Dirge: never happened.

Crisis Core: Great game. Seriously, it was good. Except for Genesis. Fuck that guy.

 

[Pharsalus]

What a sarcastic arse. It's just another JRPG whose best feature is it's soundtrack.

 

[Prosis]

I don't see why it's such a bad thing that they're remaking the game.
Tons of fans wanted it. They've already remade 1-6 and 8.
If you don't want it, don't buy it.

And honestly, not everyone owned a PS1. I'd like to give the game a shot, see what all the fuss is about. Especially since I don't really see threads ragging on FFX7; I see more of "best rpg evar omfg this game was soo cool!" stringing the internet.