Deus Ex - Boss Fights
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Seems like the best solution is to would be to get a game mod/cheat that instantly won all the boss fights.
Come to think of it I looked for something like that to let my bypass the combat in Mass Effect 2....
Come to think of it I looked for something like that to let my bypass the combat in Mass Effect 2....
Yay, Shamus is back!! 
And yes, even though I absolutely loved Human Revolution, that footnote about the stupid boss fights will no doubt be cemented as the unfortunate qualifier. It really is as Yahtzee remarked years ago - the closer a game gets to perfection, the more glaring its flaws become.
And yes, even though I absolutely loved Human Revolution, that footnote about the stupid boss fights will no doubt be cemented as the unfortunate qualifier. It really is as Yahtzee remarked years ago - the closer a game gets to perfection, the more glaring its flaws become.
In a very brief defense of the boss fights, I would say that my hero did not have invisibility (had but not used), recoil reduction, improved aim while moving, or body armour for the first 3 bosses (well, I had body armour for the 3rd, but I also lost no health during the fight), and I fully expect to walk over any remaining ones as well. Characters who have no points invested in any combat talent can trivialize these fights with a stun gun, an EMP grenade, and whatever lethal damaging weapon they happen to be carrying at the time, or loot from the room (thus far, all have provided lethal stuff in case you somehow have no gun). So I wouldn't say that not investing in combat is a "wrong" way to play, since the talents are unnecessary for the mandatory combat components.
I otherwise totally agree. My character was very stealthy, approached nothing brashly or quickly, and killed very few people until after the apartment event (all those belonging to the group or groups involved now receive a silenced bullet to the head after a non-lethal take-down). In the cut scenes he took a completely different approach, one that was nothing like how I had been playing him the rest of the game; the cut scenes for bosses/antagonizing NPCs are always jarring.
I would also like to point out that while I prefer to play stealth, on the occasions where I do kill an enemy it is obvious that the game is heavily biased towards non-lethal/stealth play for all sequences that aren't boss fights, what with getting 20XP for a kill compared to 50 for a non-lethal melee knockout, plus the Ghost and some other bonus. The boss fights seem almost like an apology to the players who "foolishly" decided they wanted to play aggressively.
I otherwise totally agree. My character was very stealthy, approached nothing brashly or quickly, and killed very few people until after the apartment event (all those belonging to the group or groups involved now receive a silenced bullet to the head after a non-lethal take-down). In the cut scenes he took a completely different approach, one that was nothing like how I had been playing him the rest of the game; the cut scenes for bosses/antagonizing NPCs are always jarring.
I would also like to point out that while I prefer to play stealth, on the occasions where I do kill an enemy it is obvious that the game is heavily biased towards non-lethal/stealth play for all sequences that aren't boss fights, what with getting 20XP for a kill compared to 50 for a non-lethal melee knockout, plus the Ghost and some other bonus. The boss fights seem almost like an apology to the players who "foolishly" decided they wanted to play aggressively.
Always wondered why Naked Fleshy Man's plasma gun did more damage than when I was using it.
I'm glad I got the rocket launcher before the first boss fight; 1 frag grenade to disorient him, 1 rocket, 6 revolver shots and 1 assault rifle bullet. Didn't even take 1 minute to kill him.
The "Boss" fights were lame and immersion breaking.
That part at the end where you have to talk that guy down to get the
that felt like a boss fight (in the context of the game).
I'm glad I got the rocket launcher before the first boss fight; 1 frag grenade to disorient him, 1 rocket, 6 revolver shots and 1 assault rifle bullet. Didn't even take 1 minute to kill him.
The "Boss" fights were lame and immersion breaking.
That part at the end where you have to talk that guy down to get the
codes to disable the worldwide killswitch,
I've given up playing out of frustration with the third boss. Not only does it have the usual problem of having to fight a grenade spamming instakill boss in a horrendously forced & poorly justified situation; but because of a decision made earlier in the game I have to try & put up with it while my HUD is dancing around the screen, obscuring the view & rendering it impossible to see my health, ammo or minimap.
*Potential spoilers*
Where was the option to hack into the security network, see the boss coming and take him out with the security turrets, or set a robot on them?
Where was the option to sneak into the vents and bypass them completely?
Where was the option to use your social augs to talk the mercs around to your side?
All of the boss fights felt sloppy, and poorly designed, and I'm amazed that they ever made it through playtesting.
Well, yeah you can drop points in to both, but what if you don't want to? I certainly didn't, I wanted to use all my augs on mobility and stealth, but the game forced my hand and I ended up having to pick some augs I really didn't want because I knew I'd need them. Broke the whole 'play the way you want to' deal for me.poiumty said:
The only hacks in the game that I remember being forced to make (i.e. to advance the main plotline) were level 1. Thus I didn't need any augs to complete them. In fact I finished the main story without dropping any points into hacking whatsoever.
Yes, they are. They are all combat options. Don't even pretend invisibility was an option, your batteries at full upgrade died too quick to be of any use in any of the boss fights.
Where was the option to hack into the security network, see the boss coming and take him out with the security turrets, or set a robot on them?
Where was the option to sneak into the vents and bypass them completely?
Where was the option to use your social augs to talk the mercs around to your side?
All of the boss fights felt sloppy, and poorly designed, and I'm amazed that they ever made it through playtesting.
Ya the repeating taunts are really annoying. I've no idea why they do them but they do. Though I did find the second boss fight sort of interesting. The water ripples to track the bad gal and the whole cat and mouse thing was kinda fun. Then again I liked that section of the game in general.
I see a lot of people saying 'oh the games biased towards hack/stealth gameplay, those people get more points than combat!'. (Not just in this thread, but in pretty much every thread about the boss fights)
Of course they do, they need more augs.
There are very few combat augs in the game, but a plethora of stealth and hacking ones. They need more points because they have more abilities to unlock.
Besides, once you've cleaned out a building there's nothing to stop you from looking around and getting all those 'Explorer' points.
Of course they do, they need more augs.
There are very few combat augs in the game, but a plethora of stealth and hacking ones. They need more points because they have more abilities to unlock.
Besides, once you've cleaned out a building there's nothing to stop you from looking around and getting all those 'Explorer' points.
How much more can this site rip on Human Revolution? Its not like the game was bad...
I'll admit the game has issues but it's sure a step above most at the moment.
I'll admit the game has issues but it's sure a step above most at the moment.
I disagree. The rediculous boss fights forced me to drop points into combat because my stealth setup was woefully inadequate to deal with them.poiumty said:
Combat was the only way to deal with the bosses. At no other point in the game was this the case, there was always another route, you just had to find it.
It's not ripping on DX:HR. No one is ripping on DX:HR. The game is universally well received and seemingly loved by all.Stabby Joe said:
What they are ripping on are the unnecessary, immersion breaking boss fights. And rightly so. They are a major detraction from an otherwise (to my mind) near flawless game.
The criticism is fair, but after the video and article by Yahtzee... I'm waiting for a new video and/or article on it.WaysideMaze said:
Thank you for putting so fine a point on it. This has really given a lot of focus to the complaints, and raised some issues that can be resolved.Shamus Young said:
(Unfortunately, it's one of those design-by-committee problems our current climate seems to love. You lose the unity of tone and focus when you leave pivotal moments of your game to the whims of someone else.)
I was shocked(and happy that I didn't do/know that on my first playthrough) when I discovered a way to instantly kill the last boss!FredTheUndead said:
As soon as the cutscene ends, shoot Zhao with the laser rifle through the glass - victory!