Developer: The Call Of Duty Engine is a "Porsche"

[ASnogarD]

I am not going to bash CoD... but if the engine is so sleek and wonderfull, why did the Black Ops versions mess up so badly on PC's and PS3's ?

The game had issues, so did MW2 at launch... ran like a dog by many accounts, Black Ops was so bad on the PS3 some even complained to consumers organisations.
Sounds more like a Fiat engine in a Porche look-a-like body, look under the shiny paint and its all a show.

Thats not to say the MW3 wont run well, but to claim that using that engine is a positive as it works so well is a piece of fabrication... marketing bullshit in other words.

 

[bbad89]

Time for a bunch of morons to come on and hate CoD because it's CoD.

 

[Hachura]

The Call of Duty Engine is a "Porsche"... heavily rusted, windows smashed, sitting without wheels on cinder blocks on the outskirts of an inner-city ghetto.

And oh look, the dev is using the F-word, how edgy and identifiable!

You can polish a 10-year old turd as much as you want, but at the end of the day, it's still not gonna be able to hold a torch to the shiny smooth golden peanut shit DICE will be taking on October 27th.

 

[Daaaah Whoosh]

I just have to say, it doesn't matter how much they've changed if it still looks like CoD MW2. And it does.

 

[Phenakist]

Respect for that, however, can't make any meaningful progress by tacking on some minor upgrades and tweaks to a platform in computer terms, is frankly ancient, there's a point you just have to take what you've learned and build yourself a new platform and start fresh.

I don't think anyone can argue when I say that the engine has limits, like they all do, upgrading as you go along is all well and good but building up from something always means you have to stick to the original rules and can't push boundaries, yeah you can IMPROVE things, I mean woo, new sound stuff, vaguely improved graphics over the years, brilliant, whoop dee doo, all Call of Duty's have felt and played exactly the same since 2. To make the obvious comparison and open a can of worms *deep breath* Frostbite 2.0 *exhale* real time radiosity, sound, movement, destruction... I don't need to name it all, we all know what it does. My point is, Frostbite 2.0 is fresh, and with it's new features, opens up possibilities for alot more in the future, Battlefield has mucked about with it's formula's, tried new things, some games have been more successful than others, but it's still sucessful as a franchise.

Long story short, I'm never going to say it's copy/paste, because I know it's not, it's more like copy/paste spit, polish and tweak. Frankly, I'd have alot more respect for Call of Duty if they forgot about the cash cowness for a second, and changed the formula to make a genuinely better game, not an "improved" one, a NEW, better game. If they're scared about loosing a few fanboys, they clearly don't know their audience, we all know what your "average" Call of Duty player's like...

 

[Psychedelic Spartan]

I really don't know about that engine. Every time I try to play, no matter how good my connection is, the game just lags out. I really hope Modern Warfare 3 has fixed that problem.

 

[Nurb]

That's kind of funny he called it a "porche" because it's one of the more bland sports cars out there.

 

[newwiseman]

Does he realize that it's still a copy & paste even if it's faster and higher res?

 

[Smooth Operator]

How do you know the engine is out of date? Developers rush out to defend it
The people who buy the game wouldn't care either way, he just poped out and made himself look silly.

 

[Fai57]

See, the problem is, you can claim that your new game is so different from your old one. But if everyone else has "no idea" and can't see anything but minor changes, that means you probably didn't.

The old engine is not the problem. The Source engine came out in 2006, I think. But Valve and the other developers who've bought it have made a ton of different games from it, from FPS's to dungeon crawler MMO's. There have been noticeable improvements to the graphics. Valve can patch the hell out of their games; just look at the patch support they've been able to do with TF2. yThat shows it's still a solid engine that has a lot of flexibility and upgrade potential.

But when you claim that another old engine that has only made one series of very similar shooters is very easy to upgrade, then I doubt it really is. And if it's so clean and easy to work with, why can't they fix the tons of hacks and bugs that permeate their games?

 

[Dragonmaster3]

I'm going to defend the guy. As much as people like to inexplicably ***** at Infinity Ward for not having the Frostbite engine, the IW engine is still damn good looking, even all these years on. While Modern Warfare 3 may not have graphics as realistic as Crysis 2 or Battlefront 3, it still looks better than the majority of other shooters out there.

Spoiler

That's a shot from MW2, a game that's now two years old. Still looks excellent by today's standards.

Besides, by all accounts the Battlefront 3 beta was hardly the smoothest experience on consoles. I'll take a simpler engine that still looks excellent and runs smoothly over a more complicated engine that has screen tearing and a chugging frame-rate any day of the week.

Regarding your last statement, that was the entire point. It's a BETA running on 6 week code that was used prior. Let me repeat that again, it's a BETA, NOT a demo, a BETA that was running on 6 week old code. I think I might have just gotten through...

 

[JokerboyJordan]

They could at least change the HUD for fuck's sake, if you showed someone who's never seen Modern Warfare before footage from both MW2 and MW3 I bet they'd never see the difference.

 

[Jamash]

That's kind of funny he called it a "porche" because it's one of the more bland sports cars out there.

It's even funnier considering that, as far as the video game world is concerned, Porsche is under exclusive license to EA.

Out of all the car brands he could have likened his game engine to, it would have to be the one owned (for all intents and purposes) by the publisher of Battlefield 3.

 

[BlackStar42]

What, it's old, boring and the sole preserve of middle-aged men?

 

[The-Epicly-Named-Man]

He went on to add that anyone who doesn't see the difference between Modern Warfare 3's and its predecessor has "no idea." "There is so much that we've added, so when someone says 'cut and paste', I don't even want to talk to them because they don't know," he said. "They just don't know."

Way to miss the point. Everyone knows that there must have been minor technical improvements to the last few CODs, the point is that they weren't noticeable to the player. Regardless, I no longer care. I know there's no chance MW3's single-player campaign will be in anyway appealing to me, while it's competitive multi-player will remain the same unbalanced, over complex mess it has been since the customisable killstreaks. That leaves the co-op, which with my shoddy internet connection and cack-handedness would probably just end in a series of failures and inevitable rage-quit. I'll pass.

 

[Spygon]

You cant run games on a car your so silly activison

 

[draythefingerless]

Here comes the COD hate train.

"DERP BUT LOOK FROSTBITE HERP" - yeah, remind me, where did he say that COD had better graphics or sound? He said its easier to work with, easier to put in new lines of code without creating a bazillion bugs. Is the Frostbite engine superior in this aspect too? The general message I am getting from this thread is yes. Then let me ask you -

The Call of Duty engine is a Porsche: a 1950s 356 with its roof missing. Hell, they still have "Powered by id Tech" on the box, so there must be some decade-old code in there.

In terms of quality, if the Call of Duty engine is a Porsche, what does that make the Frostbite 2 engine? A Lamborghini made of solid gold with diamond encrusted wheels?

Joking aside, I just don't see how this is a good comparison at all. I mean, I know it's this guy's job to promote and defend his product but the Call of Duty engine is kind of... dated. Aside from very small bumps in visuals, it hasn't really changed at all since 2007.

I dunno, I'm not one to get hung up on engines and graphics and what not, but it's using old technology in places.

To compare, the BF3 engine, Frostbite 2 (I think)is brand new tech and has been redesigned for the game.

But, as they say, the proof is in the pudding =)

The CoD engine is a Porsche? So.....its a mid-range fairly cheap little runner that looks an awful lot flashier than it is?

*Engage possible fan-rage enducing quotation*///// So, does that mean that the Frostbite 2 engine is practically Concorde by comparison? /////*disengage possible fan rage enducing quotation*[/i[

Dont get me wrong, I ejnjoy playing CoD as much as the next guy, but.....I cant see this analogy working too well.

Do you work at DICE? Have you worked with the Frostbite 2? The answer is probably no, so shut up.

Inb4 obligatory CoD hate. Time to live up to my title!

Tell me about it man. You have no idea how many times I have had to defend COD from the hordes of ignorant motherfuckers flaming it for no reason. The ironic thing is, while flaming the 12 year old COD kiddies, they make themselves look exactly the same.

Uhm...do you work at Activision? Have you worked with the CoD engine? The answer is probably no, so shut up as well or let others say their mind.

OT: Never seen people ever complain about the graphics of Call of Duty...no more than ANY other game at least. The problem has never been the graphics...its the game franchise itself.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

That's a very bad metaphor, simply because Porsche is pretty!