Developer: The Call Of Duty Engine is a "Porsche"

[Ulquiorra4sama]

"They just don't know"
Well, if the changes you make doesn't FEEL any different from what's come out in the past you can't really justify whining about the potential of easy-to-change coding in the engine.

If a consumer bought something and didn't enjoy it because it felt exactly like something else just a little bit better that robbed him/her of more money you can't expect this person to give you as a developer any sympathy.

Not even something that's a had lots of time and effort put into it will survive long if it doesn't feel original in some way. See Duke Nukem Forever for referance.

 

[RaikuFA]

its the same exact piece of crap from last year and the year before, why are people buying it?

just change it up. make it about... a girrafe that joins the american army

 

[bbad89]

if the COD engine is a Porsche...then does that make Halo's and Frostbite and fucking cruise ships? and the source engine a classic hot rod with space flight capabilities?

Time for a bunch of morons to come on and hate CoD because it's CoD.

Let me fix that for you.

Time for a bunch of reasonable people to come on and hate CoD because it's bland, boring, un-innovative, contains unlikeable characters, has terrible AI by today's standards, looks the same as all the previous games, and is ran by the only game developers more evil than EA who actually TRY to make a good game with exception to sports titles.

There you go. All better.

I'm assuming that the millions of sales result from that then?

people went to see shit movies like transformers and avatar didnt they?
the masses will buy anything if its popular.

Who are you to tell people what's good and what's bad? If people went to see the latest Transformers movie and didn't like it, then they learned that they will not like it, no matter how popular it is, and the same goes with Avatar (except I liked Avatar). Just because you believe your opinion is magically better than other people's doesn't mean that they're wrong and you're right, it means that you need to go back to pre-school and learn to respect other people's opinions.

 

[Korten12]

Originally a heavily modified Quake III engine (yes, that's the correct number of Is there)

That's a fail in both Roman Numerals (3 being the highest number composed entirely of Is) and ID Tech engine knowledge! (Quake IIII IV used the same engine as DooM III)

(It's not particularly impressive either - Source is written on top of the Quake I engine ^_^ )

However, just as pathetic is Activisions own attack campaign against EA/DICE. Every time DICE shows off something rather impressive about Battlefield 3, Activision immediately comes out with some "expert" who starts talking in a "laid back" and often offended-like tone about how "refined" and "perfected" Call of Duty has become. It reeks of desperation and clearly shows Activision literally has no valid points with which to defend the game. Consider their, "After five games and over half a decade we've FINALLY got the engine to run at around 60 frames per second on the 360! Yet Frostbyte 2 only reaches 30!" (hyperbole, but valid none-the-less)

Thats 60FPS....with no vehicles, destructible cover, physics of any kind small maps and only 18 players. BF3 gets 32 players, vehicles, destructible cover, huge-ass maps and a ton of other things. He also forgets to mention many PC's will still play the game at 60FPS anyway.

So yeah...you run at 60FPS. But what have you accomplished with that 60FPS?

A smoother console version? Yeah sure, the pc version runs at 60 FPS, but CoD sells more on consoles which is what really matters. 60 fps does feel soooooo much better to play compared to 30 fps.

It is also quite noticable, and makes the game feel more fun to play when I don't have to worry about the frame-rate dropping.

Anything above 30FPS doesn't actually help gameplay in any significant way, and only hinders what lower powered machines can handle.

Think of it this way - you get 60FPS.

I get a god damn tank.

And I get annoyed by Tanks. Honestly, what I hate most about the whole Cod vs BF3 is that, no one takes into consideration that they AREN'T THE SAME STYLE OF SHOOTER. Granted both are Modern Shootes (at least there latest interations) but don't play like each other.

I like infantry combat, small maps, and such. Reason my I perfer COD to battlefield. I also like it's customization options, which BF3 is severaly lacking in.

But some people perfer the large-scale maps, vechiles mixed in with Infantry combat.

But no one seems to Fucking get this, no one seems to understand that. Then again, it's not like I should expect the escapist to understand...

 

[Jegsimmons]

if the COD engine is a Porsche...then does that make Halo's and Frostbite and fucking cruise ships? and the source engine a classic hot rod with space flight capabilities?

Time for a bunch of morons to come on and hate CoD because it's CoD.

Let me fix that for you.

Time for a bunch of reasonable people to come on and hate CoD because it's bland, boring, un-innovative, contains unlikeable characters, has terrible AI by today's standards, looks the same as all the previous games, and is ran by the only game developers more evil than EA who actually TRY to make a good game with exception to sports titles.

There you go. All better.

I'm assuming that the millions of sales result from that then?

people went to see shit movies like transformers and avatar didnt they?
the masses will buy anything if its popular.

Who are you to tell people what's good and what's bad? If people went to see the latest Transformers movie and didn't like it, then they learned that they will not like it, no matter how popular it is, and the same goes with Avatar (except I liked Avatar). Just because you believe your opinion is magically better than other people's doesn't mean that they're wrong and you're right, it means that you need to go back to pre-school and learn to respect other people's opinions.

Hold on i hear the waaaaaahbulance outside.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

He went on to add that anyone who doesn't see the difference between Modern Warfare 3's and its predecessor has "no idea." "There is so much that we've added, so when someone says 'cut and paste', I don't even want to talk to them because they don't know," he said. "They just don't know."

He should at least try to be professional.

No matter how many HUGE, big, medium, small, tiny.... changes they make in the code, as long as it can't be seen in the actually game, IT'S STILL THE FUCKING SAME SHIT.
If the changes are so small that you need to look for those changes, if you can't notice them by playing the game normally, it's still the fucking same shit.
If the changes don't have any impact on the game, it's the same fucking game.

And just because the engine is cleaner doesn't mean it's better. No matter if the engine is clean and easy to upgrade, you will have much more work to upgrade it to today's standards than to make a new engine. And the new engine will pay up in future.

And don't even compare them to Valve. The Source engine was changed so much during the time that it's like a completely different engine. From interaction between objects, to the world.
Comparing Source when it came out and Source now is like comparing the first Computer to today's supercomputers.
Comparing Quake III engine the to thing they have now is like comparing Pentium IV 1.6 GHz and Pentium IV 2.4 GHz.

 

[ChocoCake]

That's really super and all, glad to hear he's stoked about his work, but it won't change the gameplay...
I'm not a CoD hater or fanboy, I play it when friends are over or if I'm drunk and can't concentrate enough to play a more demanding game, but I won't buy it for myself.

Now Skyrim? Oh boy... I'm getting an Imperial City guard helmet made to celebrate the occasion that is its release date.

 

[AWAR]

Ey, I get all the hate for CoD, but what's wrong with Porches?

well in my experience you could buy a million dollar porche that isn't meant to be customized very much. Or you could buy and restore a classic hot rod thats MEANT to be tinkered with and restored to be the baddest mother fucker on the road. Not to mention classic hot rods and muscle cars are the few cars that can go UP in price because you mess with them.

yeah baby.....classic cars are the way to go.

Well that's if you live in America where you don't have corners and you don't get laughed for having a muscle car

[sub]P.S. Porches don't usually cost millions of dollars and you can customize them, ever heard of RUF CTR Yellowbird[/sub]

 

[Treblaine]

DXHR and RAGE are both £29.99, Witcher 2 is £25.99, so what the hell does Activision think they have??!?

A popular game that a lot of people want and oh look they are right. Since you only seem to be able to judge a game based on graphics alone I dont see any point in continuing this discussion.

Fine, if that's the way you are going to delude yourself there is no way you can continue it. Your hostile characterisation makes me out as some graphics snob who seems to object that it isn't as pretty as Battlefield 3, I don't give a shit.

What I am saying - what I have made clear - is the many tweaks, improvements and expansions on MW2 are not enough alone to justify the £40/$65 asking price when it is essentially the same games assets/graphics remixed.

I'm not damning the game is not worth your time, I'm not saying it's not worth spending any money on. I'm saying it is overpriced for what it is.

It's not JUST graphics, it's all the identical elements like Juggernaut and the ACR, and so many others.

 

[latiasracer]

its the same exact piece of crap from last year and the year before, why are people buying it?

just change it up. make it about... a girrafe that joins the american army

OH HELL YES! When does this game come out?!

 

[Treblaine]

Originally a heavily modified Quake III engine (yes, that's the correct number of Is there)

That's a fail in both Roman Numerals (3 being the highest number composed entirely of Is) and ID Tech engine knowledge! (Quake IIII IV used the same engine as DooM III)

(It's not particularly impressive either - Source is written on top of the Quake I engine ^_^ )

However, just as pathetic is Activisions own attack campaign against EA/DICE. Every time DICE shows off something rather impressive about Battlefield 3, Activision immediately comes out with some "expert" who starts talking in a "laid back" and often offended-like tone about how "refined" and "perfected" Call of Duty has become. It reeks of desperation and clearly shows Activision literally has no valid points with which to defend the game. Consider their, "After five games and over half a decade we've FINALLY got the engine to run at around 60 frames per second on the 360! Yet Frostbyte 2 only reaches 30!" (hyperbole, but valid none-the-less)

Thats 60FPS....with no vehicles, destructible cover, physics of any kind small maps and only 18 players. BF3 gets 32 players, vehicles, destructible cover, huge-ass maps and a ton of other things. He also forgets to mention many PC's will still play the game at 60FPS anyway.

So yeah...you run at 60FPS. But what have you accomplished with that 60FPS?

A smoother console version? Yeah sure, the pc version runs at 60 FPS, but CoD sells more on consoles which is what really matters. 60 fps does feel soooooo much better to play compared to 30 fps.

It is also quite noticable, and makes the game feel more fun to play when I don't have to worry about the frame-rate dropping.

Anything above 30FPS doesn't actually help gameplay in any significant way, and only hinders what lower powered machines can handle.

Think of it this way - you get 60FPS.

I get a god damn tank.

What do I do if I like shooters but struggle to care about EITHER game?

I'm still loving TF2, Quake III, Serious Sam, Left 4 Dead even Doom and Duke Nukem 3D. And I'll tell you that when it comes to 60fps vs 30fps - with mouse controls at least - there is a HUGE difference. If your monitor supports it there is also a significant difference between 60fps and 100fps! After you have clocked 1000 game hours in one year, you INSTANTLY know the difference in framerate and it does effect your performance.

I'd rather have a shooter with Minecraft graphics if it meant +60fps with high resolution (1080p native at LEAST) than any other dross.

 

[AlphaEcho]

Here comes the COD hate train.

"DERP BUT LOOK FROSTBITE HERP"

Oh look, some one does not like some one else's factual opinion, lets ***** about it.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

Oh, I do love a CoD thread. Their fans are the easiest to windup. It goes like this someone insults CoD > CoD fan gets way too offended and accuses people of "hating it because it's cool" > Person defends their opinion > CoD fan refuses to listen > Person points out most CoD players are pretty young > CoD player calls them immature for calling other people immature in a "I know you are but what am I?" kind of way. I don't dislike CoD, for the record, I just find this back and forth amusing. It's like online people watching.

But back to the topic, I actually agree with them. I haven't played MW3, but neither have most people, including a lot of the people who say the engine is past it. Unless a company makes a habit of selling their engine, they don't usually number each iteration of their engine. Look at the Source engine. If you play Half Life 2 and then Portal 2, it's clearly not the exact same engine. I'm sure IW have been doing something similar. I don't know, of course, but I can assume.

Oh, and for the love of god, stop comparing Battlefield and CoD. It's like comparing an Apple to a Grapefruit.

 

[Stealthfighterx]

They should have realized by now that making a title of the same series every year will cause consumer fatigue.

 

[RaikuFA]

its the same exact piece of crap from last year and the year before, why are people buying it?

just change it up. make it about... a girrafe that joins the american army

OH HELL YES! When does this game come out?!

Soon one day. Patience Mai boy.

 

[MajorDolphin]

Well, Porsche are fairly well known for making cars that look identical to the ones that came before it, so it's a pretty fair comparison I think.

...What?

Still, small jab at Porsche and MW's engine aside, as long as it works and I can make out who or what I'm trying to shoot to death/shoot down, I see no reason to change it just yet.

Nice. I really wanted to make a comment about full history of Porsche, it's heritage, and the madman that gave birth to the grandfather of the Porsche, but I'm not sure if that would violate the rules here.

Oh wait, maybe he's making a comment on the similarities with top end Porsche cars and how they take standard equipment out and charge you an arm and a leg to have them put back in. Like a radio, or day one DLC.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Translator: PROGRAMMER ANGRY, PROGRAMMER SMASH!!!!
(My god I wish I could that too sometimes).

Assuming that they've updated the C or C++ that's running the damn thing and have be reworking the scripts, no it really doesn't matter how old it is. I want to see more programmers explode in rage when people crap all over there long hours of hard work, it's hilariously cathartic.

 

[dickywebster]

So it charges you money the more you use it?
Soryy, i dont know anything about cars, but a better comparision might be in order.
Or not, gives me the chance to make bad jokes ^^

 

[Laser Priest]

In summary:

The multitude of grey and brown will look shinier and the cacophony of gunfire and random shouting will sound marginally nicer in a gunfire-and-random-shouting kind of way.

What's that? Gameplay improvements? Whatchu talkin' 'bout?