Devin Faraci - Guy who called us terrorists

[AJ_Lethal]

Sorry, but anyone who thinks they are doing any sort of social justice by resorting to the same tactics bigoted assholes are using does not make them heroes, it makes them hypocrites.

 

[AJ_Lethal]

Sorry, but anyone who thinks they are doing any sort of social justice by resorting to the same tactics bigoted assholes are using does not make them heroes, it makes them hypocrites.

And again, no one is actually holding them up as heroes, so your point is rather moot.

Have you heard of "self-aggrandation"? They start from there.

 

[DC_78]

Snipp

I love how we still get wrapped up in the SJW stuff. Censorship is bad. Doxxing, harassment, Rape/death threats are bad. Whos says otherwise?

Normally I would agree with you Zeconte. Why should I take responsibility for a troll? I am not a troll so a thread saying trolls are vile pieces of dirt does not affect me. I remember a Jimquisition when he talks about some FPS Dev getting death threats. I thought, "that is horrible. Why would some basement dweller do that? Is it that important?" I did not feel threatened, or even honestly really cared. Then the journalists started painting with a wider brush.

The articles written about the "Death of Gamers" are no better than someone commenting on Ferguson saying to a black man, "Well the thugs that looted deserve what they got from the police. You do not see us getting so upset when X happened by the police and rioting do you? Maybe the protestors there should police their own and clean up their own culture." And then going, "But not you." Or any rant on violence in video games leading to real life violence we have seen a thousand times before. There is no interest in those articles in picking out the bad apples. They are saying the basket is rotten and they want to start over.

But that said, I self identify as a gamer. I am biased. Basically your argument against this is you saying I should not be so upset unless I am part of the problem. Well who are you to say what should or should not upset me? I am not a troll/hacker/misogynist/whatever. It is dismissive and would not fly anywhere else.

And the excuse given by those not upset is, "well they said that about them. Not me personally. So if you take offense then you are the problem obviously." Which is bull. It is a cop out. Folks that wrote those articles meant all of us, because they are sick of the criticism. They enjoy being the gatekeepers between games and the consumer. They love their internet power and influence over an industry. It is making them and their friends money.

But the gamers make it sooo hard. They want answers and accountability when all the journalists want is to promote inclusive games with women as the main character. Bull. They blacked out discussion of a click bait topic that if it was not a member of their clique involved they would have posted. Please tell me I am wrong when on the front page is an article about the new X-man director's sex scandal. People filed false DMCA's to censor topics. Which they then censored discussion on as well. The big thread is about a lot of things rotten in the gaming media the least of which is some PC agenda.

 

[AJ_Lethal]

Sorry, but anyone who thinks they are doing any sort of social justice by resorting to the same tactics bigoted assholes are using does not make them heroes, it makes them hypocrites.

And again, no one is actually holding them up as heroes, so your point is rather moot.

Have you heard of "self-aggrandation"? They start from there.

So.. they consider themselves heroes, and because no one spreads the gospel of how heroic they are far and wide, that makes it perfectly justified for you to spread the gospel of how horrible they are far and wide? That doesn't really compute.

More like "gullible people sucking that shit up and applying unseen amounts of cognitive dissonance". They only care about the ends, not the means.

The thing is, no one here is claiming that labeling and dehumanization and abuse is perfectly justified/isn't wrong. All we're claiming is that it happens on both sides, and it's wrong from both sides. However, I specifically am pointing out that no one is going out of their way to label or dehumanize or abuse your side of things on this website, but your side is perfectly willing to go out of your way to label and dehumanize and abuse the other side of things on this website. That the labeling and dehumanizing and abuse, from my perspective, is entirely coming from your side, not the SJW side, and any evidence of labeling and dehumanizing and abuse from the SJW side, has been brought to this site by you guys from outside sources, whereas you guys post your hatred of SJW's quite freely and frequently on this site of your own accord.

I didn't know calling people out for their actions was dehumanizing and labelling. And thanks for lumping me with the assholes, in an astonishing act of projection. Bravo *claps slowly*

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Just ignore him, no re tweets, no nothing, just don`t give him any exposure whatsoever and don`t let him get to you.
This is a man who built an career around insulting people.

I hope the irony of this isn't lost on you.

 

[GenuflectHonesty]

Except I never claimed someone claiming to be some nice sounding thing means they are. Again, that's a complete strawman on your part. What I'm saying is, that there's pricks on both sides, but that the pricks on the SJW side seems to keep themselves on twitter, whereas the pricks on the anti-SJW side seem to come to the escapist and make threads about "look at this SJW prick, the whole SJW movement is so contemptible because of people like this."

Who's strawmanning who now? Nobody in the Zoe Quinn thread is doing this and we aren't "anti-SJW".

 

[AJ_Lethal]

Zeconte here's a challenge...maybe you go read all mr faraci posts, in context, over the last few days. lemmie know how that works out....dodn't forget the whole boogioe angle...hell, the man even managed to abuse bomb movie bobs own multipart, grovelling but insincere apology for being associated with him.

let's up the ante:

Go ahead, I would like somebody trying to defend this shit. Just do it.

 

[DC_78]

I mean, seriously, the main argument people seem to have against both Moviebob and Faraci is that they weren't specific enough in who they were calling out for being pricks, that their generalizations could be taken to include people who were not pricks. Yet, all the outrage is focused on them for that, with none focused on the pricks that prompted them to make those comments in the first place. And yet I'm the bad guy here for finding that fact strange and pointing it out?

So we are blaming the victim for lashing out is that your case? In the ISIS one Faraci were responding literally to people telling them about Anita. Not people being dicks to them. It was their opinion of the hackers maybe? Sure why not. Why use gamers then?

See, the thing is, the thugs who looted did deserve to have heavy handed police action taken against them. Even the peaceful protestors agreed with that, and used heavy handed tactics to thwart them whenever they could, while still arguing that such heavy handed tactics didn't deserve to be used against them. That's what separates them from you. Well, that and, you know, the fact that they suffered actual physical harm and oppression, whereas you did not. The fact that you would compare yourselves to them while decrying the comparison to ISIS is highly ironic, if I do say so myself.

No I compared us to an average black man listening to someone talk about Ferguson. In the text above there friend, "someone commenting on Ferguson saying to A black man." So please stop that feigned outrage.

 

[GenuflectHonesty]

but that's imply because all the people who were doing it have since been banned for doing it and/or are creating new threads to do so in.

a. that's not simple and b. its not true.

Actually I'll be fair to Zeconte on this point Sleekit, some of the early parts of the Zoe Quinn thread were really bad about this. It moved away from it when people started focusing on the important things, but there were a lot of bans in the thread for a reason.

 

[DC_78]

but that's imply because all the people who were doing it have since been banned for doing it and/or are creating new threads to do so in.

a. that's not simple and b. its not true.

Actually I'll be fair to Zeconte on this point Sleekit, some of the early parts of the Zoe Quinn thread were really bad about this. It moved away from it when people started focusing on the important things, but there were a lot of bans in the thread for a reason.

Yes we policed ourselves so to speak without having any real power and shutdown the troll baiting Anita/feminism stuff to focus on journalism and the bad rap gamers are getting from this.

But again does not matter. Because we are evil anonymous hackers because no one can denounce the bad trolls on our side and we have to *Threats and rape are bad* every conversation just so the people that we talk to do not just throw misogynist around like every gamer is one.