Devin Faraci - Guy who called us terrorists

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Who is this attention seeker and why should we care about him and give him more attention?

captcha: confused cosby

See? Even Cosby is confused

 

[Uriel_Hayabusa]

Come on, that's just petty! He admitted to committing crimes in the past so he's a horrible individual in the present who's work you should now be ashamed of liking? I mean, did he advocate theft? Did he say he was justified in stealing anything? Would you prefer he keep it secret his entire life?

How is it petty?

And as for that last question, no I'd prefer if he (or anyone else for that matter) didn't steal from stores, period.

OT: Is it funny or sad that the group of people most likely to go after anyone talking about harassment women or minorities face with "grow a thicker skin" are now freaking the fuck out over a single person comparing a subset of a group they belong to terrorists? Because, it's getting hard to decipher my emotions on the subject. I would say the same thing about how often it is people who really don't want to give those they don't like attention are the one's responsible for giving them most of the attention, but I've already decided on that being simply funny.

This logic can just as easily be turned around, y'know. Is it funny or sad that people who wish for more civility in the online space are a-okay with (endorsing) a guy who compares anyone who doesn't agree with his views to a terrorist organization?

 

[dragonswarrior]

If you're offended by the fact that Devin Faraci called you a terrorist than you really need to rethink your politics.

If you're offended by the fact that Devin Faraci called some really terrible parts of the gaming community worse than ISIS than I actually kinda understand. It was tasteless and offensive. And he should rightly be called out on that shit.

But if you feel personally offended at him calling you a terrorist, than you need to check yourself. Hard.

 

[Hoplon]

So for people who admire him or his work, that's the kind of man you're holding up as some advocate of decency.

I don't think, nor can i find, anyone doing that, he's clearly a shit head.

I also don't give a fuck what his opinion about the shitheads doing swatting or screaming for people to be fired because they have sex with people. He's so obviously an idiot.

 

[Lieju]

I did a fine job of ignoring him (not knowing he even existed) before you, OP.
So well done I guess.

Who is this attention seeker and why should we care about him and give him more attention?

So we can feel offended and persecuted, duh.

 

[Something Amyss]

If you want people to ignore him, making a thread about him possibly isn't the most efficient method of achieving that.

On a site that encourages discussion value in its topics, even to the point of locking threads without such value, even. Comes off as:

"Just ignore him!"

"...discuss."

You guys keep making all these threads about how various people are insulting "us" as if they're insulting everyone on this site or something. You should really stop doing that, because it's kind of insulting in its own way.

Even more baffling when you choose to include a tweet that says "Lesson I have not learned: you must speak in simple, metaphor-free sentences to gamers. Like programming a robot."

Called you a terrorist buddy, not me. Not "us".

Given that I possess none of the qualities that he was referring to, or possess them in minimal quantities, I am entirely confident that I am not the target of his comments.

Also...

I thought you folks were all for having thick skins. Y'know, "Geez, calm down ya pussies, it's just a few death threats on the internet. Stop being a professional victim!"

Funny how skins suddenly get a whole lot thinner all round when the opposition starts to return fire.

Seems reasonable to me. Thick skin for everyone else, "I'm offended!" for people like me. Isn't that basically what whining about "SJWs" is about in the first place? "I'm sick of these people getting offended. It offends me!"

Single standards are for poor people who can't afford two.

 

[Rabbitboy]

Like Cap already said in the Avengers:
"This is a man who means to start a war, and if we don't stay focused, he'll succeed."

And as far as I can tell you are doing your best to help him.

See, when the guy makes statements like in this tweet right here -

https://twitter.com/devincf/status/505843640795529216

- his words indicate that he's insulting the moderate folks who just want better standards and transparency in place, the same people who've made a strong point of denouncing the volatile elements on their "side" as well as the opposition's. The very benign "gamers against corruption" label is being used to paint an entire reasonable sect with the same brush as the infantile jerks who are trolling and harassing.

Well here is my interpretation of that tweet.
He's referring to "these gamers" (so some gamers not all gamers) againts "corruption" (I assume Anita Sarkesian or that Zoe Quin slept with a game journo). Now I haven't followed these Anita Sarkesian Zoe Quin bullshit threads because I actually have something that somewhat resembles a life so I might lack the right context. So feel free to enlighten me.

While some of his tweet I read refers to gamers the vast majority of them refer to those who harrased Anita Sarkisian or made a big deal out of that Zoe Quin thing (or at least that is how I interpreted it). I never participated in any of those, I'm not the kind person who makes false bomb threats, I'm not a misogynist, I'm not a zealot so I don't feel spoken to. And if you do perhaps its time to reflect on your past action in recent times.

Make no mistake though he is not someone who gets my sympathies because while the people he is (in my opinion) refering to are indeed horrible. Comparing to ISIS (or IS) is incredibly disrespectful to the people who are suffering right now.

 

[Velventian]

Like Cap already said in the Avengers:
"This is a man who means to start a war, and if we don't stay focused, he'll succeed."

And as far as I can tell you are doing your best to help him.

See, when the guy makes statements like in this tweet right here -

https://twitter.com/devincf/status/505843640795529216

- his words indicate that he's insulting the moderate folks who just want better standards and transparency in place, the same people who've made a strong point of denouncing the volatile elements on their "side" as well as the opposition's. The very benign "gamers against corruption" label is being used to paint an entire reasonable sect with the same brush as the infantile jerks who are trolling and harassing.

Well here is my interpretation of that tweet.
He's referring to "these gamers" (so some gamers not all gamers) againts "corruption" (I assume Anita Sarkesian or that Zoe Quin slept with a game journo). Now I haven't followed these Anita Sarkesian Zoe Quin bullshit threads because I actually have something that somewhat resembles a life so I might lack the right context. So feel free to enlighten me.

While some of his tweet I read refers to gamers the vast majority of them refer to those who harrased Anita Sarkisian or made a big deal out of that Zoe Quin thing (or at least that is how I interpreted it). I never participated in any of those, I'm not the kind person who makes false bomb threats, I'm not a misogynist, I'm not a zealot so I don't feel spoken to. And if you do perhaps its time to reflect on your past action in recent times.

Make no mistake though he is not someone who gets my sympathies because while the people he is (in my opinion) refering to are indeed horrible. Comparing to ISIS (or IS) is incredibly disrespectful to the people who are suffering right now.

Like i said to me it seems like he starts to escalate his hate speech, he started out with terms like anti-quin, anti-sjw, then it turned into "those misogynist gamers" and now it`s just Gamers.

Any other time the gaming press would lynch him for something like that but now they are standing on the side lines despite many of them being gamers themselves.
This whole thing strikes the same nerve as the "games cause violence" subject whenever it crops up, which is probably why it got so bad so quickly.

 

[Barbas]

He talks like a particularly uninformed YouTube commentator who was displaced here from 2009 and allowed to open a Twitter account. He's not talking to me, though. Not really a big deal.

 

[Velventian]

If you want people to ignore him, making a thread about him possibly isn't the most efficient method of achieving that.

On a site that encourages discussion value in its topics, even to the point of locking threads without such value, even. Comes off as:

"Just ignore him!"

"...discuss."

You guys keep making all these threads about how various people are insulting "us" as if they're insulting everyone on this site or something. You should really stop doing that, because it's kind of insulting in its own way.

Even more baffling when you choose to include a tweet that says "Lesson I have not learned: you must speak in simple, metaphor-free sentences to gamers. Like programming a robot."

Called you a terrorist buddy, not me. Not "us".

Given that I possess none of the qualities that he was referring to, or possess them in minimal quantities, I am entirely confident that I am not the target of his comments.

Also...

I thought you folks were all for having thick skins. Y'know, "Geez, calm down ya pussies, it's just a few death threats on the internet. Stop being a professional victim!"

Funny how skins suddenly get a whole lot thinner all round when the opposition starts to return fire.

Seems reasonable to me. Thick skin for everyone else, "I'm offended!" for people like me. Isn't that basically what whining about "SJWs" is about in the first place? "I'm sick of these people getting offended. It offends me!"

Single standards are for poor people who can't afford two.

""Just ignore him!"

"...discuss.""

I already posted about that being a poor choice of words and clarified that that meant to ignore him sites like twitter and put the discussion somewhere where can´t profit from the clicks. And i don`t want to change the original post since it already has been quoted and that would look like manipulation but if you care so much, maybe i´ll change it.

"Seems reasonable to me. Thick skin for everyone else, "I'm offended!" for people like me. Isn't that basically what whining about "SJWs" is about in the first place? "I'm sick of these people getting offended. It offends me!
Single standards are for poor people who can't afford two."

Core Message: Gamers have feelings too! We can take verbal assaults only for so long too. And many gamers had to take a lot verbal abuse in their lifes and for many of them the gaming world was one of the few places that were safe for that. But now we are being attacked where we usually were somewhat safe so yeah, we can get emotional too. I don`t see how that´s a double standard. SJW getting offended didn´t bother anyone, them attacking gamers with the justification "i am offended by you, thats why i am allowed to attack you and you are not allowed to complain or else you are a misogynistic anti-sjw pig"... yeah i do take offense to that.

 

[Rabbitboy]

Like i said to me it seems like he starts to escalate his hate speech, he started out with terms like anti-quin, anti-sjw, then it turned into "those misogynist gamers" and now it`s just Gamers.

I agree with this somewhat how ever his previous tweets have made clear that he aims at people who are douchebags.

Any other time the gaming press would lynch him for something like that but now they are standing on the side lines despite many of them being gamers themselves.

Maybe they don't feel spoken to as well.

 

[Velventian]

Like i said to me it seems like he starts to escalate his hate speech, he started out with terms like anti-quin, anti-sjw, then it turned into "those misogynist gamers" and now it`s just Gamers.

I agree with this somewhat how ever his previous tweets have made clear that he aims at people who are douchebags.

Any other time the gaming press would lynch him for something like that but now they are standing on the side lines despite many of them being gamers themselves.

Maybe they don't feel spoken to as well.

Maybe, but he himself said that complaints about him have been sent to his boss and to him. And a lot of people react to his twitter so i am not the only one how feels like he is targeting gamers in general.

 

[Something Amyss]

I already posted about that being a poor choice of words and clarified that that meant to ignore him sites like twitter and put the discussion somewhere where can´t profit from the clicks. And i don`t want to change the original post since it already has been quoted and that would look like manipulation but if you care so much, maybe i´ll change it.

Yeah, that's the problem, though. You're discussing him, which will lead to people following your links. Or googling him. After your rant about ignoring him, I did just that. Your thread is self-defeating.

That was the bloody point.

Remove the links, you're still drawing attention that will get him views and whatnot.

Core Message: Gamers have feelings too!

Yup. We have feelings. But with the kind of gamer he's talking about, I'm less inclined to care.

Core message: gamers, especially on the web, have long had a history of hurling abuse at others and disregarding the feelings of others. That this whole thing blew up is a semi-testimony to that very issue. It's hypocritical for the gaming community to be so vitriolic and then FLIP OUT when someone insults "us." An "us" I do not consider myself a part of, for the record.

No, "gamer" in this case appears to refer to the histrionic shouting of people who were so offended by a woman asking for 5K on a Kickstarter that they felt "rape" was a suitable response. Of people who claim to care about "journalistic integrity," but took as gospel the venting of an angry boyfriend, and who were focused on how many penises Zoe Quinn had inside her. The ones who are still focused on her, despite this being about journalistic integrity. Pardon me if I don't take them at their word when their actions belie it.

And if this is "us," if this is "gamers," I want no freaking part of it. The community you're defending frequently disgusts me and I totally understand why so many people are so eager to distance themselves from the term it's associated with, even if I believe gamer to be the accurate nomenclature.

We can take verbal assaults only for so long too. And many gamers had to take a lot verbal abuse in their lifes and for many of them the gaming world was one of the few places that were safe for that. But now we are being attacked where we usually were somewhat safe so yeah, we can get emotional too. I don`t see how that´s a double standard. SJW getting offended didn´t bother anyone, them attacking gamers with the justification "i am offended by you, thats why i am allowed to attack you and you are not allowed to complain or else you are a misogynistic anti-sjw pig"... yeah i do take offense to that.

If only your situation allowed you to cast empathy on others. I mean, there's some serious irony in that last sentence, dude.

By the way, "SJWs" (a dubious term to begin with) getting offended did bother people. A lot of people. There has been plenty of rage at SJWs. A lot of the offense that's being taken is because people were raging at "SJWs" being offended. Hence the irony. Hence the hypocrisy. It was okay to lash out at the "SJW" crowd because people should have thicker skin. But now someone's hurt my feelings, and THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT (because ponies)! Even arguing that nobody was bothered by "SJWs" getting offended is a demonstration of the double standard (especially when using the pejorative "SJW" to describe them). Your whole post looks like a brilliantly crafted piece of satire, and I wish it really was.

 

[Nieroshai]

If you're offended by the fact that Devin Faraci called you a terrorist than you really need to rethink your politics.

If you're offended by the fact that Devin Faraci called some really terrible parts of the gaming community worse than ISIS than I actually kinda understand. It was tasteless and offensive. And he should rightly be called out on that shit.

But if you feel personally offended at him calling you a terrorist, than you need to check yourself. Hard.

Public discourse affects public opinion. Public opinion affects legislation. Go on, pretend this is in a vacuum. People at large are demonstrably more impressionable, unobservant, and easily swayed than you think, given the right talking head. The next Jack Thomson might have the traction by then to do what he couldn't.

 

[Nieroshai]

Like i said to me it seems like he starts to escalate his hate speech, he started out with terms like anti-quin, anti-sjw, then it turned into "those misogynist gamers" and now it`s just Gamers.

I agree with this somewhat how ever his previous tweets have made clear that he aims at people who are douchebags.

Any other time the gaming press would lynch him for something like that but now they are standing on the side lines despite many of them being gamers themselves.

Maybe they don't feel spoken to as well.

But who is a douchebag? Most often, it's someone you dislike or hate, no matter what they say.

 

[Velventian]

I didn`t put any link in the thread at the start because of that reason but people wanted to know what it was about so i added them to clarify the situation. Sure i couold have screencaped them and put them up on imgur or somewhere like that.

And people were already talking about that guy and posting links about him in the zoe mega thread so don´t act like i was the first to bring him up. I had hoped to take some of the bile out of that thread so the discussion would remain calm.

"And if this is "us," if this is "gamers," I want no freaking part of it."

Maybe that´s were a lot of the iffy-ness stems from because in a lot of peoples mind here anyone who takes offense to such tweets automatically has to be one of those who harassed someone online or did something like that.
But for me its the opposite, as someone who doesn`t harass people and even tries his best not to insult people online this feel like being punished despite having done the right thing all this time. And when people are generalized into the term gamer he throws me into the same bucket as those who commit harassment and taints the term gamer in general.

"No, "gamer" in this case appears to refer to the histrionic shouting of people who were so offended by a woman asking for 5K on a Kickstarter that they felt "rape" was a suitable response. Of people who claim to care about "journalistic integrity," but took as gospel the venting of an angry boyfriend, and who were focused on how many penises Zoe Quinn had inside her. The ones who are still focused on her, despite this being about journalistic integrity. Pardon me if I don't take them at their word when their actions belie it."

Funny how you seem do drag zoe back in this when in the same paragraph complaining about those still focused on her...
Besides condeming those who harass people what are we/i supposed to do about? How are we supposed to stop them?
Those fucks don`t go online and say "i am now going to harass anita sarkeesian, i live at 20 whateverstreet, come and stop me". This argument is getting really old really quick... Those who harass other online sadly are virtually impossible to stop.
Sure afterwards one can try to find and punish them for it but even that mostly doesn`t work out.
Trust me if i know how to find someone who really harassed anita i would love to drop by and beat some sense into them but i don`t know how.

"By the way, "SJWs" (a dubious term to begin with) getting offended did bother people. A lot of people. There has been plenty of rage at SJWs. A lot of the offense that's being taken is because people were raging at "SJWs" being offended. Hence the irony. Hence the hypocrisy. It was okay to lash out at the "SJW" crowd because people should have thicker skin. But now someone's hurt my feelings, and THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT (because ponies)! Even arguing that nobody was bothered by "SJWs" getting offended is a demonstration of the double standard (especially when using the pejorative "SJW" to describe them). Your whole post looks like a brilliantly crafted piece of satire, and I wish it really was."

Where is you proof for that? Who says that one site people didn´t already start to attack gamers only you didn`t see it yet.
The very first time i even heard about this whole story was because someone retweeted someone who called him/herself a SJW and called all male gamers misogynists.
So you claiming that i am wrong about "who was mean first" is just as much of a double standard since you experienced it differently but just call my version false despite it being very much true too.

"Your whole post looks like a brilliantly crafted piece of satire, and I wish it really was."

You claim that someone with thousands of followers going to twitter and calling gamers terrorists doesn`t bother you but 1 guy on a web forum saying "us" is enough to tick you off? I hope you see the irony in that...

 

[Something Amyss]

Public discourse affects public opinion. Public opinion affects legislation. Go on, pretend this is in a vacuum. People at large are demonstrably more impressionable, unobservant, and easily swayed than you think, given the right talking head. The next Jack Thomson might have the traction by then to do what he couldn't.

All the more reason to deal with people who are making threatening and hateful comments. Do you really think the next Jack Thompson is going to overlook that when he makes a case for games leading to violence?

By your logic, these assholes make us look like the violent little man-children Thompson wants to portray us as.

But who is a douchebag?

Didn't you just make a post daring someone to pretend this happened in a vacuum? Well, then, you know context maters. The answer to "who is a douchebag" comes from the context of the prior tweets. Weird. It looks like you ignored the context (which would be pretending this is in a vacuum) and added your own.

Whether or not you agree with Faraci, he's got a long string of tweets addressing exactly who he has issue with.

 

[KazeAizen]

Ok i`ve seen this pop up more and more and i get it, being compared to ISIS, the KKK and all the other insults it´s hard to stay calm.
But a lot of people are playing his game without even knowing it.

Forget that guy, honestly just ignore him.
Finlay the whole situation is cooling down enough that we can start discussing things in a calm an civil manner.
But that guy just wants to fuck you up, he wants you to get angry again and loose your cool.

He claims that his boss stands 100% behind him and by now i am starting to think it might be true. So maybe we have no chance to get someone to shut him up because of PR reasons but of course you can still try

But don´t let him bait you into an argument.
Maybe you know they saying:
Don`t pick a fight with an idiot, he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Just ignore him, no re tweets, no nothing, just don`t give him any exposure whatsoever and don`t let him get to you.
This is a man who built an career around insulting people.

https://twitter.com/devincf/

http://imgur.com/a/j8P3l

https://twitter.com/devincf/status/505220941777891328
https://twitter.com/devincf/status/503645433504071682
https://twitter.com/devincf/status/503647651103899648
https://twitter.com/devincf/status/505843640795529216
https://twitter.com/devincf/status/505829555550973952
https://twitter.com/devincf/status/505816952476954624

Well he's not wrong. He's using hyperbole and a bit of an extreme version of it but quite frankly. He's not wrong. The bomb threats against Sony's CEO, the recent swatting of Kootra. Yeah those aren't pranks. Those are federal offenses and terrorist tactics. Also he usually never comments on this stuff because he's in the movie world and the video game world still has some kind of weird isolation thing going on. Not anymore.

When "gamers" act like monsters and threaten people, fake or not, the gloves come off. I'm with him. They have an extremist mentality and he's damn right to call them on it by comparing them to ISIS or the KKK. I mean these types of gamers are apparently willing to put people's lives in danger for a laugh. Sick and twisted individuals those are. As are the people who think its funny to send rape and death threats to Zoe, or Anita, or Phil, or, or Tim, or now even Joss Whedon himself for taking Anita's side. Even Yaya Han, the Queen of Cosplay, got backlash from people for sharing Anita's latest video.

 

[Velventian]

Well he's not wrong. He's using hyperbole and a bit of an extreme version of it but quite frankly. He's not wrong. The bomb threats against Sony's CEO, the recent swatting of Kootra. Yeah those aren't pranks. Those are federal offenses and terrorist tactics. Also he usually never comments on this stuff because he's in the movie world and the video game world still has some kind of weird isolation thing going on. Not anymore.

When "gamers" act like monsters and threaten people, fake or not, the gloves come off. I'm with him. They have an extremist mentality and he's damn right to call them on it by comparing them to ISIS or the KKK. I mean these types of gamers are apparently willing to put people's lives in danger for a laugh. Sick and twisted individuals those are. As are the people who think its funny to send rape and death threats to Zoe, or Anita, or Phil, or, or Tim, or now even Joss Whedon himself for taking Anita's side. Even Yaya Han, the Queen of Cosplay, got backlash from people for sharing Anita's latest video.

Of course those people should be called out and brought to justice for that. I was overjoyed when i read the article about that kid/guy who "swatted" other players and got sentenced to prison for it.

But calling those guys gamers is tainting the term and thats not ok.
Because most gamers and i`m talking like 99% don`t do that, they don`t go online and send bomb threats or threats of rape or murder to people. Most gamer are good or at least halfway decent people. (i am aware that on places like xbox live there is a lot of insult thrown around and i think we need way harder punishment there but lets stay with the "big cases" for now)

Those are the actions of a few hundred whackjobs around the world while as "gamers" are many millions.
So for everyone to whom those insults as terrorists and kkk are justified he vilifies thousands if not even millions.

If they want to address those people then they should find a term that doesn´t put so many people in the same box even though they don`t belong there.

Because its also hurting the cause. That´s not the ground for the civil debate that we need. Instead of attacking gamers he should support them and try to help them to isolate those few individuals at fault so we can root them out. By throwing the general term gamer around he even helps those who commit harassment to hide in the crowd and become even harder to identify.

Addendum: Maybe here people can easily differentiate between "gamers" and "harassers" but non gamers can`t, like you said he`s actually a movie critic with basically no connection to games so are some/many of his twitter followers. They don´t care that most gamers don`t do that. He tweets that "gamers threaten woman with rape" and thousands of people see all gamers as rapists, every time someone tweets something like that the term gamer is slandered and damaged.
So the next time some big media outlet decides to pick on gamers they will use those tweets as ammo so that gamers are not only violent but also rapists and terrorists. The damage he and a lot others do to the term gamer is very real and will persist long after this whole thing has settled.