Devin Faraci - Guy who called us terrorists

[Velventian]

@Zachary Amaranth

as she's related to the specific topic here

using that argument you could tie every single discussion even remotly in that area back to her since it was the shirtstorm surrounding her that started the whole thing. But the idea was to drop her since this isn`t about her anymore.

You're not condemning them. You're not having a constructive discussion. You're complaining that someone hurt your feelings. You're condemning Faraci. How many of your posts have you dedicated to that? How many to complaining about Zoe? How many have you dedicated to condemning gamers? The last one is by far the smallest, and given my limited search on your post history I'm guessing the number is 0

You have zero clue what i do besides the few posts here on this website so don´t go around and tell me who i condemn or not, thats just pretentious

Except Social Justice Warrior was coined as a pejorative, so even if you try and go back, you still can't claim equity. That still ignores the fact that saying people were offended by "SJWs" getting offended isn't a "who did it first" argument, it's a flat out argument that your claim is false. Even if they didn't get offended "first," your claim that people didn't get offended is flat our wrong and undermines the double standard you're trying to demonstrate. In fact, apply your own argument again and conclusively prove to me that nobody was offended. Hell, you just argued that maybe I didn't see the "SJWs" starting it, so how the hell could you know nobody was offended? You couldn't.

Maybe you should apply your own argument. The point i was trying to make that both versions are equally true and false. Unless you can monitor the entire internet you simply can`t prove which side got offended first and which side attacked first. Does this also mean that my statement about people having no problem with SJW being offended was not entirely correct? sure, which i did imply by saying it being "true too" which puts both versions on equal footing.

Except Social Justice Warrior was coined as a pejorative, so even if you try and go back, you still can't claim equity.

Sorry but for me that sounds like claiming victim bonus for "social justice warriors" because the term was created with mean intent...

Except you have no reason to infer such things. Not only did the posts before the ones you quote mine serve to be more specific, but you even posted him saying things like #notallgamers. And yes, you can talk about a group without talking about every member of the group.

I´m a gamer, someone runs around throwing insults at gamers in general, it hits me. So what throwing around a single hash tag changes everything? If he is so considerate to use #notallgamers then why didn´t he just avoid generalizing them in the first place.

"funny" she got brought up? Are you for real?

either this is a language thing or i don`t know why that word gets you that much, but i meant "funny" like "wierd" or "odd"

Right now, you've spent more time rationalising their behaviour.

How the hell do i rationalize their behavior?

I don't believe you. That wouldn't be the answer, either, but I don't freaking believe you. And one of the reasons is that even as you quote a guy saying #notallgamers, you have decided that he's talking specifically about you. About us.

Honestly, by now i don´t care what you believe...

Man, did you put words in my mouth to get that "irony." But then, you quote mined Faraci and tried to use lines of reasoning that would dismiss your own claims, so I'm not sure why I'm even surprised any more. Are you really so offended you have to resort to lying? If so, that speaks more to the problem than anything I could actually say on the matter.

I'm not offended or "ticked off" by you saying "us." I am refuting an inaccurate statement that there is an "us." I don't want to be associated with the "us" you're voluntarily associating yourself with. If anything, you're getting ticked off on my behalf.

You claim that you don`t feel associated to what you see as my definition of "us" yet you keep trying to prove something based solely around that definition.
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Just sifting through all that quote unquote took almost an hour and honestly my brain hurts.
By now i see 2 scenarios: Either you are trying to troll me in which case gratz cause i am done for today
or Scenario 2: Neither of us is trying to troll the other but our methods of communication inherently incompatible

I hope its scenario 2
Maybe you are right that i might be a tad thin skinned in that regard i don´t know.
But if i feel offended by him using the term gamer then i am offended by it.
If you don`t feel like he meant you when he used the term gamer then nice for you.

But as far as i see it the 2 of us discussing that is pretty much futile.
So i would say lets agree to disagree and call it a night.

As a sign of good faith i severely cut back on the "snappiness" of my responses

 

[Velventian]

Eh, if you read the general level of discourse on gaming websites, you know, he kinda has a point there.

Have you seen how anti intellectual gamers are? Just read user reviews for games like Dear Esther, Gone Home or Kentucky Route Zero. There are a lot of people playing games out there who will throw a fit anytime a game doesn't completely cater to their taste and decry it as pretentious shit and feminist/gay agenda bullcrap and what have. Read up on the reactions to Mountain.

Most of these people do indeed seem like people who wouldn't know a metaphor if it hit them square between their eyes. We're not, as a rule, very literate, it seems. Oh, to be sure, we'll fawn about Enders Game and other trite science fiction and fantasy but we sure don't like literary approaches to game or stuff like discourse analysis.

So, in short, yea, most gamers are dumb as door nails, myself likely included.

I have quite a different point of view on that, actually i think most gamers are above average intelligence.
But to clarify i am talking about 55-70 Percentile, sure gamers aren't necessarily geniuses but things like creative problem solving, pattern recognition, reactionary decision making and 3 dimensional thinking are prerequisites in many many games and get trained by games.

"We're not, as a rule, very literate, it seems."
To me that sounds a bit wierd :/ you might very much be in the right on that one though. Not everyone reads books all the time but usually when playing a game i come across dozens of things i read up on them, characters, worlds, technologies, magic. I spent about 10 hours every week on various wikis reading up on games, series, movies or comics. I just had hoped that would be the average.

 

[Padwolf]

Ok, I'm still very confused about everything that's gone on. Hell, I didn't even know this guy existed until this point in time to be honest. From what I can gather he is talking to people who have been acting like fools. He hasn't spoken directly to me or insulted me, so I don't feel insulted. I'm sorry I guess? I don't even know.

 

[KazeAizen]

When "gamers" act like monsters and threaten people, fake or not, the gloves come off. I'm with him. They have an extremist mentality and he's damn right to call them on it by comparing them to ISIS or the KKK. I mean these types of gamers are apparently willing to put people's lives in danger for a laugh. Sick and twisted individuals those are. As are the people who think its funny to send rape and death threats to Zoe, or Anita, or Phil, or, or Tim, or now even Joss Whedon himself for taking Anita's side. Even Yaya Han, the Queen of Cosplay, got backlash from people for sharing Anita's latest video.

I doubt those scumbags who drag the "gamer" name through the mud have any capacity of carrying out their threats. They are just a stupider breed of e-thugs.

People just should ignore/block and report them to management and/or the authorities. Is that simple.

They probably don't. Still the time is over for taking these threats "lightly".

Descending to their level is not the way to do it, mind you.

Sitting by and doing nothing is just as bad. Calling them out on it and exposing them though is what we need to do.

 

[Velventian]

Ok, I'm still very confused about everything that's gone on. Hell, I didn't even know this guy existed until this point in time to be honest. From what I can gather he is talking to people who have been acting like fools. He hasn't spoken directly to me or insulted me, so I don't feel insulted. I'm sorry I guess? I don't even know.

Apparently, from what I can gather by everyone in support of this thread and the Zoe Quinn thread and the "Moviebob insulted you" thread, if anyone uses the term "gamers" in an insulting way, even if they have established a load of context previously to establish exactly the type of "gamers" they are talking about, and those "gamers" being talked about are, in fact, horrible people who fully deserve to be insulted and called out for their horrible behavior, any and all "gamers" who even remotely feel like the word applies to them should feel insulted and outraged and stand against these horrible individuals for attacking any and all "gamers" (even though they clearly didn't, but just ignore that part and pretend that they did), all in the name of defending the objectively horrible individuals that were actually being insulted. Because a reckoning is coming to the gaming journalism industry, and after "gamers" are done, only the journalists who bow down and support the points of view of the horrible individuals being insulted will be left to write gaming articles.

I am not trying to start another pagelong argument here, but why choose "gamers"?
If those people who he tries to call out were so different that he had too "establish a load of context previously"
Why not just go with another term?

"In the 70s the mob started the Italian-American Anti-Defamation League to harass the FBI. Reminds me of these gamers against corruption."
"Gamers, you're like a dumb terrorist who blows himself up making his jihad video. Well done."
Most of his tweets might be debatable but those 2 are direct, no #notallgamers, nothing.
And "gamers against corruption" at least as i understand means all those who now stand up for better journalism.

 

[teh_gunslinger]

Eh, if you read the general level of discourse on gaming websites, you know, he kinda has a point there.

Have you seen how anti intellectual gamers are? Just read user reviews for games like Dear Esther, Gone Home or Kentucky Route Zero. There are a lot of people playing games out there who will throw a fit anytime a game doesn't completely cater to their taste and decry it as pretentious shit and feminist/gay agenda bullcrap and what have. Read up on the reactions to Mountain.

Most of these people do indeed seem like people who wouldn't know a metaphor if it hit them square between their eyes. We're not, as a rule, very literate, it seems. Oh, to be sure, we'll fawn about Enders Game and other trite science fiction and fantasy but we sure don't like literary approaches to game or stuff like discourse analysis.

So, in short, yea, most gamers are dumb as door nails, myself likely included.

I have quite a different point of view on that, actually i think most gamers are above average intelligence.
But to clarify i am talking about 55-70 Percentile, sure gamers aren't necessarily geniuses but things like creative problem solving, pattern recognition, reactionary decision making and 3 dimensional thinking are prerequisites in many many games and get trained by games.

"We're not, as a rule, very literate, it seems."
To me that sounds a bit wierd :/ you might very much be in the right on that one though. Not everyone reads books all the time but usually when playing a game i come across dozens of things i read up on them, characters, worlds, technologies, magic. I spent about 10 hours every week on various wikis reading up on games, series, movies or comics. I just had hoped that would be the average.

I'm not so much talking about literacy in games and the surrounding institutions and traditions as I'm talking about cultural literacy. A lot of people on gaming forums will go ape berserk if you mention contemporary art or poetry or various literary movements. The number of times I've seen gamers scoff at post modernism without knowing what it is is too damn high.

Outside of the sphere directly related to games (and fantasy and science fiction) my own anecdotal but comprehensive experience shows me that many if not most gamers are woefully under equipped.

You may well be right about the pattern recognition but not, I think, when it comes to other fields. I'm sure this is related to the general STEM elitism that is all round the internet, but gamers really do hate when people get 'pretentious'. They insist that games are art but whenever a game challenges them or conventions in any way they throw a missive fit.

In the case of Sarkeesian: what does it hurt to take a critical look at female representation in games? Nothing! But gamers are so entrenched in their own insular discourse that anyone taking a critical look at their toys are the enemy. At the same time the rail against Ebert for not taking games serious. Well, if games are art, then they will get picked apart and have their constituent parts looked at, female centered tropes included. But we're trying to have our cake and eat it. We're insisting that games are art while maintaining that they're just games and you shouldn't look at female tropes or make a game about a teen girl coming out in the 90s. That's bullcrap! And that, to me, is a sign that gamers as a rule are dumb. We're inflexible, ego centered and quite ignorant. And again, I'm not excluding myself here.

CAPTCHA: bad books. How wonderfully on point!

 

[KazeAizen]

Well he's not wrong. He's using hyperbole and a bit of an extreme version of it but quite frankly. He's not wrong. The bomb threats against Sony's CEO, the recent swatting of Kootra. Yeah those aren't pranks. Those are federal offenses and terrorist tactics. Also he usually never comments on this stuff because he's in the movie world and the video game world still has some kind of weird isolation thing going on. Not anymore.

When "gamers" act like monsters and threaten people, fake or not, the gloves come off. I'm with him. They have an extremist mentality and he's damn right to call them on it by comparing them to ISIS or the KKK. I mean these types of gamers are apparently willing to put people's lives in danger for a laugh. Sick and twisted individuals those are. As are the people who think its funny to send rape and death threats to Zoe, or Anita, or Phil, or, or Tim, or now even Joss Whedon himself for taking Anita's side. Even Yaya Han, the Queen of Cosplay, got backlash from people for sharing Anita's latest video.

Last I checked, we haven't had these people publicly behead innocents, or rape and enslave women. The two are not comparable.
Rape threats and death threats sent over twitter are not the same to actual murder or actual rape. They. Are. Not.

And lest we forget, he's not comparing these guys to ISIS; he's saying he has more respect for ISIS than them, implying that a group of actual murderers and rapists are better than something. He should try saying that to James Foley's family. I bet he couldn't.

So your telling me that you've never used extreme hyperbole to get a point across in your life? You seemed to miss the point. He's only saying he has "more respect" for ISIS than the monsters of the gaming world because ISIS isn't veiling their actions on some kind of misplaced pretense of justice or corruption or some other false flag.

I'm sure the man has no respect for ISIS. Meaning he has even less respect for the monsters that are gamers. Oh sure this isn't comparable to ISIS. A woman making a video is like the coming of the gaming anti christ and she must be abused and put down and threatened every day of her life. Yeah. That's totally a comparable and appropriate response to her making the videos. Honestly I'm with him though. Those people are incredibly dangerous and a threat to her life as well as others. I imagine those are the kind of people who do SWATting for fun.

 

[AJ_Lethal]

When "gamers" act like monsters and threaten people, fake or not, the gloves come off. I'm with him. They have an extremist mentality and he's damn right to call them on it by comparing them to ISIS or the KKK. I mean these types of gamers are apparently willing to put people's lives in danger for a laugh. Sick and twisted individuals those are. As are the people who think its funny to send rape and death threats to Zoe, or Anita, or Phil, or, or Tim, or now even Joss Whedon himself for taking Anita's side. Even Yaya Han, the Queen of Cosplay, got backlash from people for sharing Anita's latest video.

I doubt those scumbags who drag the "gamer" name through the mud have any capacity of carrying out their threats. They are just a stupider breed of e-thugs.

People just should ignore/block and report them to management and/or the authorities. Is that simple.

They probably don't. Still the time is over for taking these threats "lightly".

Descending to their level is not the way to do it, mind you.

Sitting by and doing nothing is just as bad. Calling them out on it and exposing them though is what we need to do.

Sure, if by that means "breaking down their posts with logic and facts" and not knee-jerk reactions to people insulting you.

He's only saying he has "more respect" for ISIS than the monsters of the gaming world because ISIS isn't veiling their actions on some kind of misplaced pretense of justice or corruption or some other false flag.

please tell me you're joking. because the amount of cognitive dissonance in that sentence just baffled me.

 

[KazeAizen]

When "gamers" act like monsters and threaten people, fake or not, the gloves come off. I'm with him. They have an extremist mentality and he's damn right to call them on it by comparing them to ISIS or the KKK. I mean these types of gamers are apparently willing to put people's lives in danger for a laugh. Sick and twisted individuals those are. As are the people who think its funny to send rape and death threats to Zoe, or Anita, or Phil, or, or Tim, or now even Joss Whedon himself for taking Anita's side. Even Yaya Han, the Queen of Cosplay, got backlash from people for sharing Anita's latest video.

I doubt those scumbags who drag the "gamer" name through the mud have any capacity of carrying out their threats. They are just a stupider breed of e-thugs.

People just should ignore/block and report them to management and/or the authorities. Is that simple.

They probably don't. Still the time is over for taking these threats "lightly".

Descending to their level is not the way to do it, mind you.

Sitting by and doing nothing is just as bad. Calling them out on it and exposing them though is what we need to do.

Sure, if by that means "breaking down their posts with logic and facts" and not knee-jerk reactions to people insulting you.

That's exactly what it means and that's exactly what I intend to do.

 

[Uriel_Hayabusa]

Well he's not wrong. He's using hyperbole and a bit of an extreme version of it but quite frankly. He's not wrong. The bomb threats against Sony's CEO, the recent swatting of Kootra. Yeah those aren't pranks. Those are federal offenses and terrorist tactics. Also he usually never comments on this stuff because he's in the movie world and the video game world still has some kind of weird isolation thing going on. Not anymore.

When "gamers" act like monsters and threaten people, fake or not, the gloves come off. I'm with him. They have an extremist mentality and he's damn right to call them on it by comparing them to ISIS or the KKK. I mean these types of gamers are apparently willing to put people's lives in danger for a laugh. Sick and twisted individuals those are. As are the people who think its funny to send rape and death threats to Zoe, or Anita, or Phil, or, or Tim, or now even Joss Whedon himself for taking Anita's side. Even Yaya Han, the Queen of Cosplay, got backlash from people for sharing Anita's latest video.

Last I checked, we haven't had these people publicly behead innocents, or rape and enslave women. The two are not comparable.
Rape threats and death threats sent over twitter are not the same to actual murder or actual rape. They. Are. Not.

And lest we forget, he's not comparing these guys to ISIS; he's saying he has more respect for ISIS than them, implying that a group of actual murderers and rapists are better than something. He should try saying that to James Foley's family. I bet he couldn't.

So your telling me that you've never used extreme hyperbole to get a point across in your life? You seemed to miss the point. He's only saying he has "more respect" for ISIS than the monsters of the gaming world because ISIS isn't veiling their actions on some kind of misplaced pretense of justice or corruption or some other false flag.

Except they sort of totally do...

And even then, it's hypocritical of you to defend Faraci's ISIS-comparison while waving your finger at anyone taking issue with it.

 

[Something Amyss]

Yes, because no one's giving poor little Anita, Phil, and Zoe any attention. None. Except for gaming journalist sites whose posts go out to hundreds of thousands of people and don't report both sides. But that doesn't matter. Poor them.

Except, you know, I was talking about the other people mentioned. Bringing up Phil as an explicit exception and talking about the others probably should have been a clue. I don't know how you can write what you just did and then have the go on to say "cool strawman."

 

[Velventian]

I'm not so much talking about literacy in games and the surrounding institutions and traditions as I'm talking about cultural literacy. A lot of people on gaming forums will go ape berserk if you mention contemporary art or poetry or various literary movements. The number of times I've seen gamers scoff at post modernism without knowing what it is is too damn high.

Outside of the sphere directly related to games (and fantasy and science fiction) my own anecdotal but comprehensive experience shows me that many if not most gamers are woefully under equipped.

You may well be right about the pattern recognition but not, I think, when it comes to other fields. I'm sure this is related to the general STEM elitism that is all round the internet, but gamers really do hate when people get 'pretentious'. They insist that games are art but whenever a game challenges them or conventions in any way they throw a missive fit.

In the case of Sarkeesian: what does it hurt to take a critical look at female representation in games? Nothing! But gamers are so entrenched in their own insular discourse that anyone taking a critical look at their toys are the enemy. At the same time the rail against Ebert for not taking games serious. Well, if games are art, then they will get picked apart and have their constituent parts looked at, female centered tropes included. But we're trying to have our cake and eat it. We're insisting that games are art while maintaining that they're just games and you shouldn't look at female tropes or make a game about a teen girl coming out in the 90s. That's bullcrap! And that, to me, is a sign that gamers as a rule are dumb. We're inflexible, ego centered and quite ignorant. And again, I'm not excluding myself here.

CAPTCHA: bad books. How wonderfully on point!

well that point is pretty much true, but to be honest the same can be said about movies and music.
The mainstream still is the mainstream. If one wants to appeal to the broadest possible audience one has to thin down the product so its not to strong for anyone.
The idea that "games are art" is something people need to let go by now.. maybe the were in the past when the target audience was smaller and games didn´t have to make millions back.
But right now they are not. Sure every now and again a piece of art crops up but thats what 3 maybe 4 a year...

 

[Cronenberg1]

I never thought I'd say this but, I miss Jack Thompson. Remember that asshole, that guy deserved the hate he got. Now we all hate people who want to rid gaming of misogynistic assholes and make gaming a more inclusive place for women? This is just sad. If we don't want people criticizing gamer culture then we should start by getting rid of the people who give us a bad name.

 

[InsanityRequiem]

If he says all gamers are misogynistic, bigoted, assholes that threaten others and are worse than ISIS (He uses the word gamers as a whole, not "A small subset of gamers". Therefore he means everyone who is a gamer), then every game journalist from the Escapist to Gamasutra, to Gamespot are corrupt, nepotistic, corporate shills who are in bed with the developers.

The issue is that when one person or group starts labeling an entire community (Gamers) as something awful, it turns what they say that can have potential to start a discussion and change into essentially a hatefest where (As seen in many threads) anger and insults are thrown around.

The use of absolutes to tar an entire community ruins discussion.

A good example for a lot of people is feminism. It is a large group full of people that have differing thoughts and ideologies, but when discussing feminism it's always about the "man-hating female superiority" types that are said to be the main branch. Also how if they're such a fringe group, then feminists should be telling them off and how they're wrong, but the mainstream feminists aren't telling the fringe extremists off.

That is how the discussion has become "So-so is this!" "But this is only a small fraction of so-so!"

 

[Velventian]

/snip

I dislike twitter for that very reason, instead of trying to crop down a complicated massage to the point where it can fit into 140 characters they should just write their thoughts and opinions up in an article. twitter is no platform for a debate but people keep using it for that which crops context off the argument. And yeah using the hastag once might imply that he means it all the time but it could also just mean that his opinion changed.

I think bringing up the feminazi term somewhat undermines your argument since that is exactly what i meant, in order to differentiate those more extreme elements from the otherwise level headed feminists a new term was coined. So now when one wants to address feminists with extreme views one can say feminazi and thus doesn´t implicate normal feminists by doing so.

If we had a feminazi equivalent for the term gamer we could identify the extreme elements in the gaming community as such and wouldn´t have to constantly throw all in the same pot and potentially label people as something bad despite them not being bad.

"Gamers against corruption"same here, he might be trying to get a point across but this also belittles those gamer who honestly want to address the issue of corruption without false pretense.

And concerning the "casual gamer" term i already linked you that before. Just my point of view.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.859215-Gamer-as-a-term-Is-it-dead?page=2#21330620

 

[GabeZhul]

I never thought I'd say this but, I miss Jack Thompson. Remember that asshole, that guy deserved the hate he got. Now we all hate people who want to rid gaming of misogynistic assholes and make gaming a more inclusive place for women? This is just sad. If we don't want people criticizing gamer culture then we should start by getting rid of the people who give us a bad name.

And the classic strawman once again rears its ugly head...
No, people don't get hate for "wanting to rid gaming of misogynistic assholes" (which is already a stupid proposal, since it would require shifting through every single one of the hundreds of millions of gamers, and even if you pinpoint one or two, what can you actually do about them?).

No, they are getting hate for the ass-backwards, deceptive and dishonest ways they are going about it (if we give the benefit of the doubt and say that they are all honest and not just pushing the sjw agenda for publicity) and the in-your-face, aggressive support they receive from the media and certain corners of the internet based on ideology.

Also, again, how would we "get rid of people who give us a bad name"? Such a thing is not just hard, it's flat out impossible! Seriously, think about it! What can you do about a misogynistic asshole on the internet?

Argue with him? How does that differ from what is already happening?

Ban him? That just bottles up the problem, ready to blow up another time or on another forum. Not to mention, I am only moderately computer-savvy and I am quite confident that if I got banned from anywhere, it would take me about ten minutes to switch IP, create a new e-mail address and make a new profile to continue where I left off. If one is dedicated enough to the point to get banned, they are dedicated enough to get back again no matter what you do.

Try to go after him off-line? Dox him? Did you hear that popping sound? That was your moral high ground evaporating into thin air and you becoming just another online bully.

This is the internet. You literally cannot do a thing about these people here, and anyone who says otherwise, including the journalists proposing the idea, are either naive fools or people you should be very, very afraid of.

 

[Brian Tams]

Well he's not wrong. He's using hyperbole and a bit of an extreme version of it but quite frankly. He's not wrong. The bomb threats against Sony's CEO, the recent swatting of Kootra. Yeah those aren't pranks. Those are federal offenses and terrorist tactics. Also he usually never comments on this stuff because he's in the movie world and the video game world still has some kind of weird isolation thing going on. Not anymore.

When "gamers" act like monsters and threaten people, fake or not, the gloves come off. I'm with him. They have an extremist mentality and he's damn right to call them on it by comparing them to ISIS or the KKK. I mean these types of gamers are apparently willing to put people's lives in danger for a laugh. Sick and twisted individuals those are. As are the people who think its funny to send rape and death threats to Zoe, or Anita, or Phil, or, or Tim, or now even Joss Whedon himself for taking Anita's side. Even Yaya Han, the Queen of Cosplay, got backlash from people for sharing Anita's latest video.

Last I checked, we haven't had these people publicly behead innocents, or rape and enslave women. The two are not comparable.
Rape threats and death threats sent over twitter are not the same to actual murder or actual rape. They. Are. Not.

And lest we forget, he's not comparing these guys to ISIS; he's saying he has more respect for ISIS than them, implying that a group of actual murderers and rapists are better than something. He should try saying that to James Foley's family. I bet he couldn't.

So your telling me that you've never used extreme hyperbole to get a point across in your life? You seemed to miss the point. He's only saying he has "more respect" for ISIS than the monsters of the gaming world because ISIS isn't veiling their actions on some kind of misplaced pretense of justice or corruption or some other false flag.

I'm sure the man has no respect for ISIS. Meaning he has even less respect for the monsters that are gamers. Oh sure this isn't comparable to ISIS. A woman making a video is like the coming of the gaming anti christ and she must be abused and put down and threatened every day of her life. Yeah. That's totally a comparable and appropriate response to her making the videos. Honestly I'm with him though. Those people are incredibly dangerous and a threat to her life as well as others. I imagine those are the kind of people who do SWATting for fun.

Right, except ISIS is actually doing that by using an extreme interpretation of Islam to justify their murder and slavery spree.

Also, extreme hyperbole is an absolutely terrible way to get a point across, because all you end up doing is misrepresenting the debate and, often times, confusing your opponent. As a professional writer David Faraci should know better.

A woman making a video is like the coming of the gaming anti christ and she must be abused and put down and threatened every day of her life. Yeah. That's totally a comparable and appropriate response to her making the videos.

I'm not against you on this, so I don't know why you bring it up.

Oh sure this isn't comparable to ISIS.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. If its not sarcasm, then why are you defending him for comparing them to ISIS? If it is sarcasm, again, how can you compare what amounts to a group of loud people on twitter to a group of murderers, rapists, etc.? How is there a comparison there?

I'm sure the man has no respect for ISIS. Meaning he has even less respect for the monsters that are gamers.

Two things.

1. I don't think you can have negative respect for something.
2. He has less respect for people issuing death threats over twitter than people actually making good on death threats in real life?

Now, are the people threatening Quinn and Sarkesian comparable to terrorists? Yes, actually, a little bit. They are after all using terror tactics to disrupt the lives of others. There is a comparison to be made.

But he specifically chose ISIS, a group of the most dangerous human radicals current in the world, a group of people who have murdered, maimed, raped, and enslaved their way across Iraq. There's no comparison there to people who have only threatened. None.