DICE MOD Lashes Out At Angry BattleField 3 Fans

[Renogod]

To quote the source link

"Things hit the fans recently on the BattleField 3 EA UK forums.

It seems that certain members of the community forum weren?t too happy when it was announced that Operation Metro was going to be the provided map during the beta testing period of the game. This announcement came AFTER DICE had previously claimed otherwise, that the Operation Metro wasn?t going to be used for beta. Apparently some fans had their hearts set on a different map to play during the beta ( one that would allow up to 64 players ) and became somewhat upset by the news.

When the complaints became loud a forum moderator shared his opinion on the matter:"
The moderators response in this link here:
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And here is the original source link: http://thesilentchief.com/2011/09/22/dice-lashes-out-angry-battlefield-3-fans/


Now here is the source link... with the pic, now i don't know how to add pics....(yes i'm not super computer savy.

and my opinion the matter is wtf a beta is a privilege who knew this was a "demo," oh wait....

But what the zuh -who cares right... right?

 

[WouldYouKindly]

Who fucking cares about some bitchy fans? It's a beta, you're playing the game for free, partly for your enjoyment partly to help them hunt some bugs.

As a business decision, I'd put the beta on the buggiest level I have so I don't have to pay a few dozen testers.

 

[Soggy_Popcorn]

Our patronage is a privilege, not a right. We are not obligated to purchase your product. The vibe I'm getting now is that tons of ungrateful developers don't understand that we voluntarily pay their salaries in exchange for a product that caters to our tastes.

Would like to thank the few developers that remember the awesome PC gaming community that they WORK FOR and WITH.

To all the rest: go pound sand.

 

[omega 616]

That guy just owned face.

I think it is just the entitled teens that are scared to say boo to a goose IRL but behind a keyboard and monitor they are whiny dicks. Everybody on this site knows the famous pic of the dickwad theory and this is just another example of it.

I bet there are people out there who totally believe that beta should be full early access to the game, every feature and map unlocked with quaaaaaaad EXP so you can level really quickly and experience the most before the beta ends.

Thank your lucky stars that we even get beta access and not be like it used to be (I think I was to young to know what a beta was) and they just released a game without a beta, although the times I am thinking of there was no internet ...

 

[Zhukov]

Our patronage is a privilege, not a right. We are not obligated to purchase your product. The vibe I'm getting now is that tons of ungrateful developers don't understand that we voluntarily pay their salaries in exchange for a product that caters to our tastes.

It's a beta. They aren't getting paid for it.

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OT: If people really were bitching about the choice of map for a beta, then I'd say that guy was being downright tolerant. It's a shame he couldn't really tear into them.

 

[Soggy_Popcorn]

Irrelevant. You don't pay Best Buy to inspect their products either, but they let you do that to secure your revenue.

Likewise, devs/publishers release demos (make no mistake, these so called "betas" nowadays are simply limited-run demos) in order to convince customers to buy.

It is not altruism. We need not "thank our lucky stars" as a particular delusional poster stated above.

 

[Sgt. Dante]

If you put [*img][/img*] around the url (but take out the * asterisks) then an image should pop up.

On the one hand he had a point, people are losing their shit over getting to play the game early but not the map they wanted? That's pretty pathetic. I'm going to wait for the release and play then.

On the other hand these people do pay his wage, and we're under no obligation to buy his shit, so maybe he should be a little more tactful about it? You catch more flies with honey you know?

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

Irrelevant. You don't pay Best Buy to inspect their products either, but they let you do that to secure your revenue.

Likewise, devs/publishers release demos (make no mistake, these so called "betas" nowadays are simply limited-run demos) in order to convince customers to buy.

It is not altruism. We need not "thank our lucky stars" as a particular delusional poster stated above.

See, normally when I consider buying a product I go to the retailer supplying it and check out the packaging, I talk to the staff about the product and use other sources like the internet, friends and co-workers that might have already used the product. If I am really lucky, I might even get a chance to test the product like say a small sample of shampoo or a chance to test drive a car.

If I don't like the product or it doesn't provide what I am looking for, I walk away. Find a better product. If I like it, I buy it an have to accept any downsides it might have. Never would I dream of calling the car retailer out on not letting me test drive their car on the Top Gear circuit or not getting enough of the shampoo sample to give some to my sister.

Sure, it is no altruism to let people into the beta. It is a very obvious move to get word of mouth to spread. But you still have absolutely no right to get upset about what DICE decides to include or not include in the beta. You are getting a chance to test drive their product for free. In any other market bitching like this would be completely unthinkable. Some gamers are feeling way to entitled, that's the problem.

 

[keideki]

Well it was probably overkill for the mod to respond like that, I can understand the feelings. Although I disagree with his implication that beta testing is a privilege. Not that I think it is a right or something, but its a business decision. The purpose of a beta is to find bugs and iron out the game before final release.

Aside from that the mod should grow up, people complain on the internet all the time.

 

[Radoh]

Irrelevant. You don't pay Best Buy to inspect their products either, but they let you do that to secure your revenue.

Likewise, devs/publishers release demos (make no mistake, these so called "betas" nowadays are simply limited-run demos) in order to convince customers to buy.

It is not altruism. We need not "thank our lucky stars" as a particular delusional poster stated above.

And you are suggesting then that you can't have a beta test with just the one map that people don't particularly like? You don't get a chance to play the game early if the map isn't your favorite one? That ultimately the customer gets to say what's inside the demo that they aren't entitled to even get?

You're a silly muffin to think that you are going to get everything you want for free in a beta test that isn't paid for.

 

[Soggy_Popcorn]

"You're a silly muffin to think that you are going to get everything you want for free in a beta test that isn't paid for."

Lol, fanboy irrationality and baseless accusations. I don't particularly care about this situation, as I wasn't in the alpha and will test whatever map they bring out.

I was simply mocking this forum mod for accusing gamers of an entitlement complex, when HE, the DEVELOPER (using the term loosely), needs the gamers to BUY HIS PRODUCT. Of their own free will. By posting an indignant and immature response to customer dissatisfaction he has displayed his own (and possibly DICE's/EA's) entitled mindset.

If customers aren't supposed to demand anything of suppliers, why is one of the basic economic forces called "DEMAND"?

 

[Sixcess]

On the other hand these people do pay his wage, and we're under no obligation to buy his shit, so maybe he should be a little more tactful about it? You catch more flies with honey you know?

No, his employer pays his wage, not some whiny, entitled little bitches on an internet forum.

 

[BabyRaptor]

If customers aren't supposed to demand anything of suppliers, why is one of the basic economic forces called "DEMAND"?

You're using the wrong definition of the word demand here. The economic use of "demand" is how much desire there is for a specific product, not what the customers want in the product.

 

[SwagLordYoloson]

When will people learn Developers owe nothing to you. The whole deal of paying there salaries only works for the first 10,000 copies or so, the rest of the money goes to the marketing, post production and corporate sections of the company. Not to forget the executives up at the top earning bonuses because how many fan boys ragged about how annoyed they are about one aspect of the game, but bought it anyway.

In fact, there is little that actually goes to the developers of the game out of the total budget. I would estimate in most major release games CoD, Battlefield, Halo and the like would all have their developers paid with funds existing from previous games sold.

This again brings up my self-conflict with piracy. If they guys who made the game aren't getting paid for my purchase? then why am I paying for it? so some executive can earn his seven digit salary that he is just going to blow on expensive suits and prostitutes. -buys preowned-

/offtopic

 

[Smooth Operator]

You know what really doesn't appease angry fans... angry responses.
I understand why both sides are pissy but this doesn't go anywhere, people wanted to test your biggest claim to fame and you didn't deliver, obviously forum comments of someones displeasure wont be that well versed but anyone who dealt with public relations before would know this.

The only thing the developers should be doing is offering an explanation on why things are done as they are, not just dive into the e-peen parade, seems everyone involved got some growing up to do.

 

[Zulnam]

*****, did you ever hear the phrase "the customer is always right"? You get paid for all your work with my money, so if I wanna give negative feedback about the chosen map and THUS help you realize what maps I prefer to play and what you should be focusing on in future DLCs, I'll do that.

I am so curious if he got away with it or if DICE will be making a "we're sorry" thread. Insulting the very own costumers who not only are interested in buying your shit, but are also willing to play certain parts of your shit and offer feedback to that shit, that's just not right.

 

[Arina Love]

and he is right imo, somebody had to tell of those whining people, i'm glad it was someone who actually matters.

 

[No_Remainders]

Our patronage is a privilege, not a right. We are not obligated to purchase your product. The vibe I'm getting now is that tons of ungrateful developers don't understand that we voluntarily pay their salaries in exchange for a product that caters to our tastes.

Hold on a second.

DICE didn't HAVE to announce a beta. They could have easily said there wouldn't be one from the start, but now that there is, fans are bitching about the MAP being different?

I'm sorry, but complaining about the map not being the one you want is not only petty, it's fucking stupid.

It seems to me that Battlefield fans are never happy. First they complain about FREE DLC, now this?

Dear children that make up Battlefield fans: Please get over yourselves.